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Sweden is a small country on the edge of the north pole, across the globe from you. I wouldn't expect our elections to be overly reported on... ; ) I wanted to second, and expound on, what |)onna said about terrorists, though. I am not old enough to remember World War II either (thankfully!, a wise man once said you should pray that you are spared from living in "interesting" times), but in our history you don't need to go back that far to see the nazis as terrorists. That's what they were here in the early 1990's. There was a wave of Nazi violence, arsons, bombings and countless of beatings and murders here back then. It died down, and I suppose we thought we had defeated that. Turns out they are only being "reborn" as a political force to be counted on. In many cases the politicians now were the terrorists then. Literally. Meaning they are the same persons, not just part of the same movement. This turn from criminal violence to "respectable" politicians were the same journey the German Nazi party did during the 1920's (before the war). That should teach us something, I would hope. I unfortunately have some first hand experience of what they were capable of in their terrorist days. As a chair man of one of the organizations very much on their hit list back then I was awaken one early morning by a phone call saying a bomb had gone off on one of the premises we had as an organization. Precisely as chair man I had the evening before given permission to visiting members to spend the night there. I still remember the chill in my stomach and the feeling of guilt (why had I given the permission, I knew darned well we were under threat, they knew too, yes, but I was the one giving permission was I not?), as I managed to keep my voice amazingly still and ask: "How many dead?" It turned out that the young people who were to stay the night had, by some miracle, changed their mind during the evening, and found another place, so no one had been present (no one except for the bomber, who was seen running from the place just after the detonation, that is). Hence no casualties. But as I was walked through the place by the investigating police that possible scenario was all the time on the top of my mind. I watched blackened twisted debris and thought "Someone could have been sleeping right there", trying not to imagine what I had been looking at had that been the case. I listened to explanations of how shrapnel had had the velocity to pass right through a security door, and thought to myself "What would it have done to a body or bodies then?". After that we decided on a general ban on staying on premises after dark. We never wanted to have to inspect a bomb site were people had been present. We also installed stronger doors (not really thinking it would stop a bomb, even the shrapnel went right through that security door after all, but thinking we had to do something). The owner of the hardware store didn't want to accept any money for that, saying he was giving it to us to express his outrage about the terrorist bombing, and that he hoped he would never see the day when he could bring himself to ask for payment to help protect someone from terrorists or Nazi persecution. But one evening something, call it stupidity call it denial, made a few of us break our own ban and stay on after dark. We just wanted to sit down in peace and quiet with some coffee and do light talk. We felt we needed to just kick back a little, it had been a stressful time for obvious reasons. And we argued, with infinite stupidity, that "Well, maybe the Nazis will hit precisely this building some night, but why would it be THIS night?" Somehow the obvious retort "Why not?", never really hit home until the sound of windows being smashed on the ground floor interrupted our "coffee hour". We fell immediately silent. Or maybe "silence fell on us", was more how it felt. No one needed to say anything, we all knew that we could very well be waiting to be blown up, or waiting to be surrounded by flames if it was a case of arson, wondering how much time we had before that, seconds? minutes?, and knowing that we were trapped. When someone finally said something it was the highly suiting words: "So, this is 'game over' then."We decided to not just sit and wait for whatever was coming, but to make sure our member register was safe (one thing these Nazi terrorists did was to look for names and addresses of members of groups they disliked, so they could single them out and attack them in their own homes), that way even if *we* may still be doomed those of our fellows who were not present could be saved. Decided to destroy it if necessary, but that our first course of action would be to bring it with us (it was on paper, this was before the days of home computers in every home see..., and it was already hidden sort of, but someone doing a search thorough enough was bound to find it). For some reason a face of one of our youngest members, he was only 14, kept popping up in my mind when I thought of the register. He had expressed a lot of fear about the Nazi terrorism, and I thought that "If they go after him... he could never make it. Even if they don't kill him, he'd never be the same". And if they do go after him based on a register they find doing a search of this house tonight, then it will be me letting him down. The angels smiled on us that night, because when we reached the ground floor (after securing the register), we found that they had smashed the windows. They had also trashed the place some, and, from the look of it, made a search of a ground floor office. But no bomb lay waiting, no fire, no gasoline in preparation of an arson. Not even any live Nazis, they had already split. My best friend at the time, , almost cried (from relief) when he said: "Never could I have imagined the sight of this place trashed would make me this happy". I experienced being surrounded by Nazi thugs a few times too. Once I took a beating. Other times they were just making threats. And, let me tell you about one of those times, just to offer some comical relief in this grave tale if nothing else. I was manning a book sale with my good friend , when I looked up and saw a group of Nazis approaching the main entrance. I turned my head and saw another group was at the back door. I was thinking of alternative ways out as I alerted that we had "guests". He apparently thought of the back door too, because he did the same head turn I had done seconds before. Then he (and I think it may be relevant to the story that he was very dark, in other words his visible racial features were very much the kind disliked by the Nazis) said: "Oh, yes! Finally I get to try my new trick!" turned to me and said "The theory is: When cornered, do this:" and then he started running towards the first group of Nazis, with his arms open wide and a big smile on his face, saying: "I am so glad to see you! Please let me hug you! Come here, let me hug you! You can kill me later, but first a hug! It won't hurt you, I promise!" It was a comical and fascinating sight seeing the Nazis back away from his open arms with confusion and disgust on their faces... "There, theory proved" he said when they were gone. I asked him if anyone had ever told him he was raving mad, but I couldn't stop laughing while I asked...That same friend informed me a year or so later that the police had told him (he was acting as our police contact about all those Nazi attacks, the police and the Swedish security service were working hard to gather intelligence on them, as the Nazi violence were considered the biggest threat against the national security at the time), that my name was on a Nazi death list. Or, rather, in his own rambling way, he told me that he wanted to do something to express how very upset he was about that my name was on a Nazi death list. And when I asked him to please run that by me once more, he said: "Oh...I hadn't told you? Thought I did." ... When I had recovered from the shock (it shouldn't have been much of a shock I suppose, but still, learning your name is on a list of people someone or someones want to kill is a bit startling), I decided that while in my ideal world there are no death lists, period, I would consider being on a Nazi one a kind of honor, it could only mean I was enough of an annoyance to them and their plans to be noticed. No one ever tried to act on the implicit threat that list placement was, though. Not against me, that is. Others were less fortunate, some actually were murdered. All those memories...they have been on my mind a lot after the election. I had thought that was all in the past now... but... Some people are saying now that since they were elected in a democratic election we should show them respect. Well...forgive me if when I see the terrorists responsible for all that in a position of political power, "respect" is not my strongest feeling. The disgust is stronger.Plus, Hitler was elected in a democratic election too, does that mean his rein was worthy of "respect"?love/Reb> >> > Oh no! I am sorry the election turned out like that. Hopefully people will > > rally and vote them out the next chance they get!!> > > > love> > > > > > Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > >and > >> > grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > > considered flaws or defects.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Reb D reb_41se@> > To: MSersLife > > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:19:58 PM> > Subject: Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> > > > > > > > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it unbelievable, > >I > >> > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and in a way I > >suppose > >> > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would actually take place... > >an > >> > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk of real > > influence** as well.> > > > I am sad all over AND completely disgusted. > > > > Many sad and angry songs played today. Over and over again. > > > > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. That means 94% > > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be, another day. > > > But today I am just sad and disgusted. > > > > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they actually got between > > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen and heard > > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not anytime. Only in > > > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. But here I have.... > >> > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I can only agree, and > >> > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have seen and heard > > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political situation is just plain > > nightmarish. It doesn't add up, it just doesn't. > > > > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one friend of mine said in > >> > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want this whole > > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> > > > love> > /Reb> > > > > > > > > > > > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed nazi party, > >> > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda or their > >politics, > >> > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word, and they > > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in public, with > > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that as soon as they don't know > > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local parliament > > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly nazi, party has won a > >> > seat. > > > > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a majority on their > >own, > >> > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority government always at > >> > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they will never > > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day politics, when > > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always hope, of course.> >>

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As always, Reb, you write a very thoughtful post. Very interesting. I am so glad the room was trashed instead of blown up. What a terrible time that must have been for you.sending prayers for safety for you and your countrylove SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 2:13:11 AMSubject: Re: terrorism / Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted

Sweden is a small country on the edge of the north pole, across the globe from you. I wouldn't expect our elections to be overly reported on... ; ) I wanted to second, and expound on, what |)onna said about terrorists, though. I am not old enough to remember World War II either (thankfully!, a wise man once said you should pray that you are spared from living in "interesting" times), but in our history you don't need to go back that far to see the nazis as terrorists. That's what they were here in the early 1990's. There was a wave of Nazi violence, arsons, bombings and countless of beatings and murders here back then.

It died down, and I suppose we thought we had defeated that. Turns out they are only being "reborn" as a political force to be counted on. In many cases the politicians now were the terrorists then. Literally. Meaning they are the same persons, not just part of the same movement. This turn from criminal violence to "respectable" politicians were the same journey the German Nazi party did during the 1920's (before the war). That should teach us something, I would hope. I unfortunately have some first hand experience of what they were capable of in their terrorist days. As a chair man of one of the organizations very much on their hit list back then I was awaken one early morning by a phone call

saying a bomb had gone off on one of the premises we had as an organization. Precisely as chair man I had the evening before given permission to visiting members to spend the night there. I still remember the chill in my stomach and the feeling of guilt (why had I given the permission, I knew darned well we were under threat, they knew too, yes, but I was the one giving permission was I not?), as I managed to keep my voice amazingly still and ask: "How many dead?" It turned out that the young people who were to stay the night had, by some miracle, changed their mind during the evening, and found another place, so no one had been present (no one except for the bomber, who was seen running from the place just after the detonation, that is). Hence no casualties. But as I was walked through the place by the investigating police that possible scenario was all the time on the top of my mind. I watched blackened twisted debris and thought "Someone could have

been sleeping right there", trying not to imagine what I had been looking at had that been the case. I listened to explanations of how shrapnel had had the velocity to pass right through a security door, and thought to myself "What would it have done to a body or bodies then?". After that we decided on a general ban on staying on premises after dark. We never wanted to have to inspect a bomb site were people had been present. We also installed stronger doors (not really thinking it would stop a bomb, even the shrapnel went right through that security door after all, but thinking we had to do something). The owner of the hardware store didn't want to accept any money for that, saying he was

giving it to us to express his outrage about the terrorist bombing, and that he hoped he would never see the day when he could bring himself to ask for payment to help protect someone from terrorists or Nazi persecution. But one evening something, call it stupidity call it denial, made a few of us break our own ban and stay on after dark. We just wanted to sit down in peace and quiet with some coffee and do light talk. We felt we needed to just kick back a little, it had been a stressful time for obvious reasons. And we argued, with infinite stupidity, that "Well, maybe the Nazis will hit precisely this building some night, but why would it be THIS night?" Somehow the obvious retort "Why not?", never really hit home until the sound of windows being smashed on the ground floor interrupted our

"coffee hour". We fell immediately silent. Or maybe "silence fell on us", was more how it felt. No one needed to say anything, we all knew that we could very well be waiting to be blown up, or waiting to be surrounded by flames if it was a case of arson, wondering how much time we had before that, seconds? minutes?, and knowing that we were trapped. When someone finally said something it was the highly suiting words: "So, this is 'game over' then."We decided to not just sit and wait for whatever was coming, but to make sure our member register was safe (one thing these Nazi terrorists did was to look for names and addresses of members of groups they disliked, so they could single them out and attack them in their own homes), that way even if *we* may still be doomed those of our fellows who were not

present could be saved. Decided to destroy it if necessary, but that our first course of action would be to bring it with us (it was on paper, this was before the days of home computers in every home see..., and it was already hidden sort of, but someone doing a search thorough enough was bound to find it). For some reason a face of one of our youngest members, he was only 14, kept popping up in my mind when I thought of the register. He had expressed a lot of fear about the Nazi terrorism, and I thought that "If they go after him... he could never make it. Even if they don't kill him, he'd never be the same". And if they do go after him based on a register they find doing a search of this house tonight, then it will be me letting him down. The angels smiled on us that night, because when we

reached the ground floor (after securing the register), we found that they had smashed the windows. They had also trashed the place some, and, from the look of it, made a search of a ground floor office. But no bomb lay waiting, no fire, no gasoline in preparation of an arson. Not even any live Nazis, they had already split. My best friend at the time, , almost cried (from relief) when he said: "Never could I have imagined the sight of this place trashed would make me this happy". I experienced being surrounded by Nazi thugs a few times too. Once I took a beating. Other times they were just making threats. And, let me tell you about one of those times, just to offer some comical relief in this grave tale if nothing else. I was manning a book sale with my good friend , when I looked

up and saw a group of Nazis approaching the main entrance. I turned my head and saw another group was at the back door. I was thinking of alternative ways out as I alerted that we had "guests". He apparently thought of the back door too, because he did the same head turn I had done seconds before. Then he (and I think it may be relevant to the story that he was very dark, in other words his visible racial features were very much the kind disliked by the Nazis) said: "Oh, yes! Finally I get to try my new trick!" turned to me and said "The theory is: When cornered, do this:" and then he started running towards the first group of Nazis, with his arms open wide and a big smile on his face, saying: "I am so glad to see you! Please let me hug you! Come here, let me hug you! You can kill me later, but first a hug! It won't hurt you, I promise!" It was a comical and fascinating sight seeing the Nazis back away from his open arms with confusion and

disgust on their faces... "There, theory proved" he said when they were gone. I asked him if anyone had ever told him he was raving mad, but I couldn't stop laughing while I asked...That same friend informed me a year or so later that the police had told him (he was acting as our police contact about all those Nazi attacks, the police and the Swedish security service were working hard to gather intelligence on them, as the Nazi violence were considered the biggest threat against the national security at the time), that my name was on a Nazi death list. Or, rather, in his own rambling way, he told me that he wanted to do something to express how very upset he was about that my name was on a Nazi death list. And when I asked him to please run that by me once more, he said: "Oh...I hadn't told you?

Thought I did." ... When I had recovered from the shock (it shouldn't have been much of a shock I suppose, but still, learning your name is on a list of people someone or someones want to kill is a bit startling), I decided that while in my ideal world there are no death lists, period, I would consider being on a Nazi one a kind of honor, it could only mean I was enough of an annoyance to them and their plans to be noticed. No one ever tried to act on the implicit threat that list placement was, though. Not against me, that is. Others were less fortunate, some actually were murdered. All those memories...they have been on my mind a lot

after the election. I had thought that was all in the past now... but... Some people are saying now that since they were elected in a democratic election we should show them respect. Well...forgive me if when I see the terrorists responsible for all that in a position of political power, "respect" is not my strongest feeling. The disgust is stronger.Plus, Hitler was elected in a democratic election too, does that mean his rein was worthy of "respect"?love/Reb> >> > Oh no! I am sorry the election turned out like that. Hopefully people will > > rally and vote them out the next chance they get!!> > > > love> > > > > > Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > >and > >> > grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > > considered flaws or defects.> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Reb D reb_41se@> > To: MSersLife > > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:19:58 PM> > Subject: Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> > > > > > > > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it unbelievable, > >I > >> > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and in a way I > >suppose > >> > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would actually take place... > >an > >> > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk of real > > influence** as well.> > > > I am sad all over AND completely disgusted. > > > > Many sad and angry

songs played today. Over and over again. > > > > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. That means 94% > > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be, another day. > > > But today I am just sad and disgusted. > > > > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they actually got between > > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen and heard > > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not anytime. Only in > > > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. But here I have.... > >> > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I can only agree, and > >> > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have seen and heard > > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political

situation is just plain > > nightmarish. It doesn't add up, it just doesn't. > > > > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one friend of mine said in > >> > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want this whole > > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> > > > love> > /Reb> > > > > > > > > > > > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed nazi party, > >> > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda or their > >politics, > >> > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word, and they > > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in public, with > > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that

as soon as they don't know > > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local parliament > > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly nazi, party has won a > >> > seat. > > > > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a majority on their > >own, > >> > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority government always at > >> > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they will never > > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day politics, when > > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always hope, of course.> >>