yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

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Hi everyone,

My son was started on vancomycin one week ago. He started having die off 2 days

ago which is pretty intense. Do we deal with the bacterial die off in a similar

way as yeast die off? He is a little more verbal and the time when he is not

angry, he seems more aware and verbal. I just feel that yeast is kinda enjoying

a lot in him as nystatin is simply not enough. His blood work is still a little

abnormal and dan wants to continue nystatin. What can I add to the nystatin? I

stopped the enhansa as I felt it was bothering him. I was wondering if I can add

some remedy to nystatin. My son didn't do well of GSE and paudarco in the past.

I have used candex in the past but not sure if it helped or not. Is it ok to use

candex or candidase or other enzymes to help nystatin work better? He has a

ravenous apetite and I am difficulty with protein snacks. I am trying to keep

carb in check. If anyone has good protein snack ideas, please let me know.

Thanks

is

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alexis ...im curious if he gets any better with you taking out the enhansa....if it were me i would have kept the enhansa...get some no phenol enzymes to take it with as i think enhansa is a good yeast fighter

and added the canidase two caps 30 miutes before every meal...that stuff works great on yeast per many other moms i have talked to..

i keep thinking the nyastatin is causing issues as it is caused issues for a lot of other moms...

ravenous appetite can be food intolerances...usually my first guess...if his gut is bein irritated by something it will enhance food allergies....is he craving more carbs or protien? or just hungry for everything?

if it were me i maybe would keep the things that he reacted good to....like the vancomyocin...you said is makin him more verbal...and the enhanse i thought you said he did well on when you first introduced it....but then again if your son is having inflammation in the gut he can be developing new allergies to anything you give a lot...how are his stools? and did he show any signs of improvement since he been on the nyastatin?

is your son thirsty a lot? im woriied the nyastatin is causing gut irritation...is he still got tummy pain? i am still trying to get a sample menu together for my son..as we are morphing right now as well....

will post some ideas on foods later.... I am just trying to throw ideas out their for you to consider....i like the idea of you giving your son canidase....it is effective but gentle...

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:55 PMSubject: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

Hi everyone,My son was started on vancomycin one week ago. He started having die off 2 days ago which is pretty intense. Do we deal with the bacterial die off in a similar way as yeast die off? He is a little more verbal and the time when he is not angry, he seems more aware and verbal. I just feel that yeast is kinda enjoying a lot in him as nystatin is simply not enough. His blood work is still a little abnormal and dan wants to continue nystatin. What can I add to the nystatin? I stopped the enhansa as I felt it was bothering him. I was wondering if I can add some remedy to nystatin. My son didn't do well of GSE and paudarco in the past. I have used candex in the past but not sure if it helped or not. Is it ok to use candex or candidase or other enzymes to help nystatin work better? He has a ravenous apetite and I am difficulty with protein snacks. I am trying to keep carb in check. If anyone has good protein snack ideas, please let me

know.Thanksis

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Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more

but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he

has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves

carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing

hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he

has not pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about

enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of

vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses

Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the

company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of

trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that

when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial

debris. Any suggestions?

Thanks

is

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wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?

i think it was threelac? i am just worried about causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I worry about the nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?

i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure all this crap out...

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PMSubject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off as activated charcoal helps

a bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any suggestions?Thanks

is

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His stool is not yellow any more as mostly it is dark from charcoal which I am

using twice a day. It is becoming more fluffy though and is partially formed and

partially loose. His belly looks beautiful though as it is not bloated any more.

Threelac probiotic has casein. Is it safe to use it? My dan told me not to use

florastor as my son has immune dysregulation and will develop more allergies

with sacc boul. I am scared of vsl 3 because of strep strain. I am left with

culturelle. I want to learn about custom probiotic if that would help with

candida. I am giving him lots of broth, no sugar, less carbs, and he is getting

his veggies also. Now I am confused about candidase. It contains both protease

and cellulase. Do I need to use protease separately? Is it safe to use candidase

with antifungals like nystatin and others? Should it be given away from

nystatin? Channa you didn't make things more confusing and infact thanks for

reminding me to look for good probiotics again. I am going to buy candidase

tomorrow. Has anyone ever used candex? How does candidase compare to candex? Can

I continue to use trienza digestive enzymes?

Thanks

is

>

> wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die

off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?

> i think it was threelac?  i am just worried about causing so much stress on

the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle

for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey

protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the

bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the     nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but

what about the rest of body?

> i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing

the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all

kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not

sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure

all this crap out...

>  

>  

>

>

> ________________________________

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> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

>

>

>  

> Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a

> bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums

especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for

anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat.

His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> Thanks

> is

>

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a less bloated tummy that is definitly a great sign!

the threelac / casien well that would have to be a personal call...i personally think it is individual how a child reacts to casien....i would be more inclined to give a small amount of casien to help a terrible yeast issues....

jenny mccarthy talks about three lac in her book "louder then words" she had great results with it....i believe it was three lac....as far as i remember canidase has some protease but not as high as other protease blends....so maybe you could give a couple dayss one kind and then couple days the other....

i dont believe canidase will affect antifungals ect....because it works on a total diffrent way.....i always heard candidase as a compliment to any antifungal.....you could call theri company to double check but i think you could give at same time....

and of course keep giving trienza with meals...it seems like you are on the right track he sounds a lot better then a week ago.....no more tummy pain....no more bloating.....good signs

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:07 AMSubject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

His stool is not yellow any more as mostly it is dark from charcoal which I am using twice a day. It is becoming more fluffy though and is partially formed and partially loose. His belly looks beautiful though as it is not bloated any more. Threelac probiotic has casein. Is it safe to use it? My dan told me not to use florastor as my son has immune dysregulation and will develop more allergies with sacc boul. I am scared of vsl 3 because of strep strain. I am left with culturelle. I want to learn about custom probiotic if that would help with candida. I am giving him lots of broth, no sugar, less carbs, and he is getting his veggies also. Now I am confused about candidase. It contains both protease and cellulase. Do I need to use protease separately? Is it safe to use candidase with antifungals like nystatin and others? Should it be given away from nystatin? Channa you didn't make things more confusing and infact thanks for reminding me to look for

good probiotics again. I am going to buy candidase tomorrow. Has anyone ever used candex? How does candidase compare to candex? Can I continue to use trienza digestive enzymes?Thanksis>> wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!> and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!> protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...> did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?> i think it was threelac? i am just worried about causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic

and nyastatin....> if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...> if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I worry   about  the    nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?> i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?> and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....> when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...> i

hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure all this crap out...> Â > Â > > > ________________________________> > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM> Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin> > > Â > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he was having

extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off as activated charcoal helps a> bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not pulled away

his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any suggestions?> Thanks > is>

[Guest guest]

I remember reading the same in that book. I will give it a try unless I find

something good on custom probiotics. Trienza has a lot of stuff in it. Can it be

used as a protease enzyme or I should use something else for protease? I keep

bothering you with so many questions but you have been such a big help for my

son. Definitely starting candidase tomorrow. I wish some threelac users will

comment also. Completely agree with you that my son needs a good probiotic

against candida. Thanks for all your help.

is

> >

> > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die

off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting

yeast?

> > i think it was threelac?  i am just worried about causing so much stress

on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the

culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed

veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the

bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the     nystatin.....it kills the

yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?

> > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for

detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all

kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky

gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to

figure all this crap out...

> >  

> >  

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > To: mb12valtrex

> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> >

> >

> >  

> > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a

> > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums

especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for

anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat.

His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> > Thanks

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

never a bother with questions!!!!!!....told you it makes me feel useful....

i have used virastop to help battle bacteria as it is high protease...trienza...im not sure if the protease amount is high enuff for theraputic qualitys...im not sure about houston enzymes i always used enymedica.....

but they should be able to tell you which product is highest in protease....

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:34 AMSubject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

I remember reading the same in that book. I will give it a try unless I find something good on custom probiotics. Trienza has a lot of stuff in it. Can it be used as a protease enzyme or I should use something else for protease? I keep bothering you with so many questions but you have been such a big help for my son. Definitely starting candidase tomorrow. I wish some threelac users will comment also. Completely agree with you that my son needs a good probiotic against candida. Thanks for all your help.is> >> > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and bacteria....good for you

on the detective work!!!!!!> > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!> > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...> > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?> > i think it was threelac? i am just worried about causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....> > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...> > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the    nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?> > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?> > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....> > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...> > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure all this crap out...> >  > >  > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>> > To: mb12valtrex > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM> > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin> > > > > >  > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out

on another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off as activated charcoal helps a> > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses

Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any suggestions?> > Thanks > > is> >>

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Hi is,We started 3 Lac a couple months ago with no problems for both of my kids who have casein issues (much more so then gluten i think). We are now up to 2 packs / day and I think it is definitely helping. We also use VSL#3 and havent had any problems. Both kids are up to 1 pack (900billion/day). We have also used Klaire's Therbiotic complete in the past and the kirkman brands but so far I like the 3 lac / VSL#3 combo the best (but if you are concerned about VSL#3 then dont do it).....Also, are you increasing the probiotics you are taking now while on the vanco? I found this helped with decreasing behaviors (and I added a morning dose along with my evening dose to help). Also, i read in the McCandless book that anytime the kids are on

the antibs you should increase the probios since the antib is killing off all of the good bacteria too. We also take S. Boulardii and i didnt notice any problems but i may trial them off of it down the road to see for sure....One other tip, i wouldn't stop the antibs for more then a couple days if you are still seeing "clostridia" behaviors/stool. I found this dragged the out thing out longer then necessary, ie we had to keep going back on the antibs to finally kill it....and I am not sure it is gone but we have been off the antibs now for over 2 weeks now...too bad your dr. didnt test him for the clostridia/yeast bc you dont have a baseline to compare with. Keep an eye on the stool too -- if it gets really loose this wouldnt be a good sign for us -- it should start normalising if the vanco and nystatin are doing the job properly....fyi, on the candidase, we started it today and my son did better this afternoon...more social play with

sister, less stimming etc(he's been yeasty the past week or two)....he did start doing something a bit bizarre with his mouth (like a tick) which makes me think even more about parasites....i called Enzymedica to find out about dosing for the kids and they said for my son (42lbs) to take 1/2 cap 2x / day (we are taking it 2hrs after lunch and dinner) and he/they can take it with trienza. We are actually up to 2-3trienza and 1 nophenol / meal depending on meal. Housten said just watch for constipation (we usually have diarreah).....Hope this helps! From:

alexis_d3378 To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:34 AM Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

I remember reading the same in that book. I will give it a try unless I find something good on custom probiotics. Trienza has a lot of stuff in it. Can it be used as a protease enzyme or I should use something else for protease? I keep bothering you with so many questions but you have been such a big help for my son. Definitely starting candidase tomorrow. I wish some threelac users will comment also. Completely agree with you that my son needs a good probiotic against candida. Thanks for all your help.

is

> >

> > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?

> > i think it was threelac? i am just worried about causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I worry   about  the    nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?

> > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure all this crap out...

> > ÂÂ

> > ÂÂ

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > To: mb12valtrex

> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off as activated charcoal

helps a

> > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any suggestions?

> > Thanks

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Your response was very helpful. I'm starting candidase today. How should I start

threelac? What dose? I have a box of vsl #3 sitting in my refrigerator and I am

tempted to use it. Our dan's prescription for vancomycin is 2 weeks on, 1 week

off and repeat this cycle 4 times. I don't know the reasoning for that. I wish I

could get some guidance on that. Thank u for the support.

is

> > >

> > > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die

off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting

yeast?

> > > i think it was threelac?  i am just worried about causing so much

stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the

culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed

veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the

bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the  Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ Ã‚  nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the

rest of body?

> > > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for

detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had

all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> > > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky

gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to

figure all this crap out...

> > >  

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a

> > > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums

especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for

anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat.

His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> > > Thanks

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have started my son on candidase 1/2 cap 2 hour after meal. Now my question is

what yo do at night as he gets activated charcoal. So far he can only sleep

better if given charcoal at night. If I give candidase, would it help in any

way. Also

should I try vsl 3 or threelac? One has strep and the other casein. My son has

less aggresion but has ravenous apetite and is trying to hang upside down from

the furnitue and silly on and off. Tryinb to add one product at a time. Will

appreciate all the help. Thanks

is

> > > >

> > > > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > > > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > > > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die

off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > > > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting

yeast?

> > > > i think it was threelac?  i am just worried about causing so

much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > > > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus

the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed

veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > > > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for

the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the  Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ Ã‚  nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the

rest of body?

> > > > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for

detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > > > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had

all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> > > > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky

gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > > > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to

figure all this crap out...

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a

> > > > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums

especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for

anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat.

His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > is

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Also teeth grinding is back. Is that parsite or fungus could cause it too?

is

> > > > >

> > > > > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > > > > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > > > > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast

die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > > > > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for

fighting yeast?

> > > > > i think it was threelac?  i am just worried about causing so

much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > > > > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus

the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed

veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > > > > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for

the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

worry   about  the  Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ Ã‚  nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the

rest of body?

> > > > > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for

detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > > > > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that

had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia

diet.....

> > > > > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky

gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > > > > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to

figure all this crap out...

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > > > > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal helps a

> > > > > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having

tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait

for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and

meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > is

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi is,I would just start with the 1/2 cap 1x per day for now on the Candidase and give the charcoal. Wait a couple days before upping the Candidase (we are seeing slower moving stool so i may not up it anymore for awhile). I find it is best to wait at least a week between adding new supplements too. Sometimes I wait longer when the latest supplement has brought in new negative behaviors or worse stool to decide what to do next (unless i know it is a clostridia flare). Some of the behaviors you are mentioning could be die off, the yeast beast or parasites but not sure. If you found that he did okay on the current probiotic when introduced (ie only positive improvements) I would increase that one for now and wait to add in a new probiotic. If you

add something now, you will not know what is causing what behavior.When we started the 3Lac, I started them at about 1/4 packet 1x / day. I increased it by about 1/4 per week until I got to 1 packet. Then recently I added in another packet when i saw their yeast flaring a bit. On the VSL, we started about 1/8 tsp for the first week and increased by about 1/8 every week after that.On the vanco prescript (2 weeks on, 1 off and repeat 4x), I am not sure why s/he is doing it this way. We did 5 days on 2 off for one month on flagyl and when i talked to the dr at the end of the first month to let her know it was still there we did another month of 5days on 2 off with vanco. At the end of this month, he was a little better but i explained that it was still there but we tried the CD Herbal instead....he had a major clostridia

flare (very sick) about 10 days later...so we went back on flagyl (no breaks i think this time) and increased the dosage to the highest level for his weight for 2 months (same for my daughter). Now i dont know if your son's clostridia is as bad as my kids (both of their levels were off the chart). But i do remember reading in the McCandless book that if there is still obvious symptoms of clostridia the kids should continue on the antibs....again, something to discuss with the dr. Also, i forgot to mention that I just remembered that I asked one of our Dans (Dr. Usman) about the VSL and strep issue and she said she doesnt think there is a link between the strep strain and issues for strep kids.... but you need to follow your gut too!Hope this answers your

questions.p.s. Thank you to everyone who answered my questions on the Candidase and MB12!! I dont want to clog up everyone's emails with thank you only emails so please know all of this info is very much appreciated!! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on

vancomycin

I have started my son on candidase 1/2 cap 2 hour after meal. Now my question is what yo do at night as he gets activated charcoal. So far he can only sleep better if given charcoal at night. If I give candidase, would it help in any way. Also

should I try vsl 3 or threelac? One has strep and the other casein. My son has less aggresion but has ravenous apetite and is trying to hang upside down from the furnitue and silly on and off. Tryinb to add one product at a time. Will appreciate all the help. Thanks

is

> > > >

> > > > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > > > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > > > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > > > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for fighting yeast?

> > > > i think it was threelac? i am just worried about causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > > > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast and plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest stuff...

> > > > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I worry   about  the    nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but what about the rest of body?

> > > > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > > > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia diet.....

> > > > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > > > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to figure all this crap out...

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off as activated

charcoal helps a

> > > > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically, climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any suggestions?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > is

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ! I will go up on culturelle.

is

> > > > >

> > > > > wow it sounds like he is havin quite the battle with yeast...and

bacteria....good for you on the detective work!!!!!!

> > > > > and figuring out about the enhansa not bein good!

> > > > > protease is good for bacteria die off ..and canidase good for yeast

die off...always give 30 minutes before meals for theraputic qualitys...

> > > > > did you get some of those probiotics you were looking into for

fighting yeast?

> > > > > i think it was threelac?ÃÆ'‚  i am just worried about

causing so much stress on the body with the strong antibiotic and nyastatin....

> > > > > if it were me i would get a good probiotic for yeast

andÃÆ'‚ plus the culturelle for bacteria..gaps modified

diet...lots broth and steamed veggies.....whey protien shakes.....easy to digest

stuff...

> > > > > if you do a couple days canidase...and couple days protease enzmes for

the bacteria die off....it would be more gentle......I

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‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'‚  nystatin.....it kills the yeast in the gut but

what about the rest of body?

> > > > > i dont know if i mentioned this before but cofee enemas are great for

detoxing the liver..is his stool still yellow?

> > > > > and maybe look into other antifungals....there was a great site that

had all kind of yeast fighters.....i think it was under the anti candidia

diet.....

> > > > > when my son had non stop hunger it was malabsorption due to leaky

gut.....not sayin that is what your son has....but just to be aware ...

> > > > > i hope i havent made things more confusing...i know it sucks having to

figure all this crap out...

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:03 PM

> > > > > Subject: Re: yeast going crazy while on vancomycin

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > Thanks Channa. Yes, he is extremely thirsty especially after starting

vancomycin. I remember you telling me to maintain a diary and guess what? I

realized that whatever good I had seen with curcumin, it was from Longvida by

nutrivene. Then I switched to Enhansa as it is covered by insurance. His first

episode of chest pain started 2 days after starting enhansa. If you remember he

was having extreme fear and increased sensitivity to touch. All of that started

at the same time. I was suspicious but continued it and was wondering why I

didn't see the same good results that I first saw with Nutrivene. I found out on

another forum that Pipperine has been used in enhansa to increase absorption and

that causes a lot of sensory issues, tantrums, gut pain etc. Longvida has

lecithin to increase absorption and that works better on brain also. I am really

inclined towards restarting Longvida. He is definitely having a lot of die off

as activated charcoal

> helps a

> > > > > bit. He is not complaining of belly pain any more but is having

tantrums especially if we change his routine a little bit or if he has to wait

for anything. He is just hungry for anything but of course he loves carbs and

meat. His symptoms are alternating between being silly, laughing hysterically,

climbing furniture to bad tantrums and aggression. So far today he has not

pulled away his shirt from his chest which makes me even more sure about enhansa

being the culprit in increasing sensitivity. He has 1 more week of vancomycin

and then he has a break of 7 days. I will get candidase. My son uses Trienza by

houston enzymes which contains nophenol. On monday I will call the company and

ask if he needs no phenol separately. I give him one capsule of trienza with

meals but should I try using it away from meals also as I read that when the die

off is happening, protease enzymes help eat away the bacterial debris. Any

suggestions?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > is

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>