diet question and magnesium

December 27, 2011

I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know where

to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am always

amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some

sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT

and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one

anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical

interventions.

My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you folks

know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone has

any ideas.

Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out

what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the offenders that

would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to be having trouble

with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's but with frequent

trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest I've been able to

better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit seems to cause the

biggest problem--especially citrus, but also apples/applesauce and blueberries.

Bananas do ok. I realized this when I started buying more of those lovely pureed

fruit packets that are now available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in

these?) Another thing that seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out

early as we tried brown rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash.

When they are having trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn

their skin. Many " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the

Kashi Heart to Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in

these...)

This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh pineapple at

the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet his pants, it

burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way back on giving fruit

to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had to cut them in the past,

now it is weekly!

I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a difference.

I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically a low ox diet,

just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used Three-Lac for about a

month. I'm thinking about getting more of that although I can't say it made a

difference on the digestive issue.

So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give someone a

clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are any enzymes I

need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I used to give 3-5

servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the youngest is only 2 1/2

and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs, haven't weighed youngest in

a while)

The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days per week

with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I thought about some

Natural Calm or something, but since he is not constipated (and has a tendency

towards soft stools), I am thinking a lotion might be better. Does anyone know

a good natural lotion I can add mag to? Or any other ideas?

Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

December 29, 2011

it sounds like they have definite oxylate issues but will leave the oxylate advice to more knowlegeable listmates...

also with the friut sounds like salicate issues..or fructose malabsorbtion...

i like to give advice by telling people what I did or would do...

I would stay away from hard to digest whole grains like brown rice ect...

i would stay away from grains period as they are difficult on a fragile gut...which both your kids seem to have...

also your kids will not get any nutrition from friut if they cant digest them so stay away for now...

there are some great diets people have used with sucess for gut issues malabsorbtion issues...

one diet is called the GAPS diet...

I personally....do not follow any one diet but follow my sons symptoms..

so for example i have a food log and i write down every thing he eats and his bowel movements and behavior....

friut makes him nuts and gives loose stool ..so that is a no no...

my son does well on veggies...some meats some beans...so i tailor his diet to that...

when he is doin good i can add in more stuff like white rice...qunoa....

but when he is fighting bacteria...or other pathogen that is affecting his gut i go back to the easy to digest no grain diet...

probiotics are really important..if they coul;d tolerate the threelac...with no adverse reaction..i would keep giving it....that will help the gut heal so much...

im sure others will add in more...ask away that is what we are here for:)

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:14 AMSubject: diet question and magnesium

I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!. I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical interventions. My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone has any ideas. Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to be having trouble with fruit.

Both have always been very regular with bm's but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried brown rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are having trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many "natural" grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve

and when he accidently wet his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs, haven't weighed youngest in a

while)The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add mag to? Or any other ideas?Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

December 29, 2011

Our Kids makes a mag cream. ourkidsasd.comFor info on oxalate, see the yahoo group " trying low oxalates "

I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical interventions.

My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone has any ideas.

Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to be having trouble with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried brown rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are having trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)

This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!

I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.

So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs, haven't weighed youngest in a while)

The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add mag to? Or any other ideas?

Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

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December 29, 2011

Fruits are very high in salicylates. Are you familiar with low salicylate diets-

Feingold is a well known one to follow, but we (with EXTREME salicylate

sensitivity) just looked up lists of salicylates in food (and body products-

sunscreen, toothpaste, some face creams), and started only eating what was on

the 'low' salicylate category.

One fruit you can often eat on a low salicylate diet is pears. You just have to

peel them. Note- any fruit juice or fruit packed in juice is going to have a

high salicylate content- the peels are left in the juicing process, often.

Our doctor recommended 400 mg a day of magnesium, and we get this using

magnesium glycinate, it is the least likely to cause loose stools. We don't have

any issue with loose stools using it. We use a capsule made by Pure brand, which

you could empty into honey if your child doesn't take pills. We have used

Natural Calm, and liked it, but tended to head towards loose stools with it. We

noticed also that the brand has trended towards including vitamin C, flavorings,

and stevia as a sweetener. We have been advised to always avoid stevia.

Rice can be high in arsenic- to limit this issue, use organic and not from the

SE US (not grown on old cotton fields). Or, you could be dealing with a specific

allergy/sensitivity to it.

On the burning skin and diaper rash, I am just thinking food reaction-

salicylates, milk, grains, and anything your child is specifically allergic to

can cause this. It would be a general sign of gut disbyosis- also may indicate a

lot of yeast- which is not helped by eating fruit. Are you doing a good

probiotic? We use Inner Eco Coconut Kefir and it is fantastic. Also we have used

Glutamine powder to help rebuild the cellular lining of the gut.

Lastly, with all of these reaction issues, a homeopathic for yeast or Candex

(enzymes) for yeast could be a great help. Along with food reactions and yeast

you often have parasite issues (perhaps just microscopic, not necessary ones you

can see), so starting with wormwood and looking for a reaction (should lessen

tactile sensitivity right away), or when you feel prepared for it, doing a more

comprehensive parasite treatment (we have loved Humaworm), which also cleanses

all eliminative organs stressed by all of the detox work, can be a great

benefit. The deworming has helped up significantly with oxalate and salicylate

issues.

One last note, Digest Spectrum is an enzyme product that helps with salicylates.

But still, avoiding high salicylate fruits and vegetables for two weeks and

seeing if the reactions lessen, is a very good place to start, before adding

enzymes in.

Good luck!

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> I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know

where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am

always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

> I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some

sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT

and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one

anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical

interventions.

> My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you

folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone

has any ideas.

> Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out