Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore?I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 , how can you say this about a child you have never seen? Just because a child puts something in their mouth on occasion does not mean they have pica. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hi Khat, My son was just like your daughter. It seems to be pretty obvious that your daughter has what is called "oral-motor" needs. Please work with an OT and speech therapist to address this. It does not seem like she has pica. Nila "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then we shall find the way." -Abraham Lincoln To: sList From: earlsjane@...Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:55:22 -0400Subject: Re: hygiene , how can you say this about a child you have never seen? Just because a child puts something in their mouth on occasion does not mean they have pica. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore?I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 It didn't sound like it was just on occasion. But there are degrees of oral motor issues, and children with some form of pica will put things in the mouth, chew on them, or some eat inanimate objects etc. Addressing GI issues, taking zinc and greens (chlorophyll) is certainly not harmful to try to rule out one way or the other. , how can you say this about a child you have never seen? Just because a child puts something in their mouth on occasion does not mean they have pica. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore?I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I understand but unless a child is seen and you know what meds or supplements a child is taking, I think it can be a bit dangerous to just tell a parent that a child needs zinc or anything else. I know you mean to help. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 To be fair to , Khat stated that her child constantly has something in her mouth, not just occasionally. The constant need for oral fixation is often PICA, not always, but often. Once you see a pattern of behavior it is pretty easy to spot in other kids. If you told me there was a kid in the playground flapping in the corner on a constant basis it would be pretty easy to say that this child is probably autistic, even without seeing the child because that pattern of behavior is common with our kids. Not every child that flaps occasionally is autistic, but it would be a fair to say that a child that flaps consistently in a stimulating environment such as a playground is more than likely on the spectrum. Fair statement? Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Listen, i'm not sure that's a great analogy, i agree you can tell if a child probably has autism, but the difference is i wouldn't say this kid has autism, so therefore he needs any kind of medicine or supplement. I would say, gee that looks like the kid has autism, you may want to talk to a neurologist, psychiatrist or psychologist to discuss treatment options. I am sure means well, as do you, I just don't think anyone who does not examine a child can say what supplements or meds a child needs.Really that was my only point here. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Point taken. I think we agree on most counts and certainly no one should give medical advise under false pretense, but good advise from a parent who has been there and done that is often more reliable than that of many of the well meaning but often times less-than-accurate prognosis/diagnosis from a neurologist, psychiatrist or psychologist. Particularly the ones who are handing out these anti psychotic meds to our kids like they are candy especially when all of the indications point to these meds being more harmful than good. Organized medicine has killed 7,841,360 Americans in the last 10 years. "Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic [doctor-induced] deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the U.S. throughout its entire history," commented the Nutrition Institute of America (NIA), in its report, "Death By Medicine" (Oct., 2003). Careful who you trust, medicine is practiced by imperfect people just like you and I. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Hi ,I agree that no one should give medical advice under false pretense. I disagree, however, with your statement that "all of the indications point to these meds (anti-psychotics) being more harmful than good." To prove my point, I will be happy to lend you my son Noah for the day, without his daily dose of Abilify. Sometimes, seeing is believing..Regards,To: sList Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 1:47 PMSubject: Re: hygiene Point taken. I think we agree on most counts and certainly no one should give medical advise under false pretense, but good advise from a parent who has been there and done that is often more reliable than that of many of the well meaning but often times less-than-accurate prognosis/diagnosis from a neurologist, psychiatrist or psychologist. Particularly the ones who are handing out these anti psychotic meds to our kids like they are candy especially when all of the indications point to these meds being more harmful than good. Organized medicine has killed 7,841,360 Americans in the last 10 years. "Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic [doctor-induced] deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the U.S. throughout its entire history," commented the Nutrition Institute of America (NIA), in its report, "Death By Medicine" (Oct., 2003). Careful who you trust, medicine is practiced by imperfect people just like you and I. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Just for the record I have a 20 year old with autism who battled pica from 18 months until he was in middle school. His pica was extremely severe at 18 months...by middle school he had one or two favorite things he still put in his mouth. It's not easy, but working on the GI tract absorption issue and getting the zinc absorbed and iron up definitely made the difference. BadilloBio Medical Consultant ASDBack to Balance, Inc.www.pHtestlab.com 561 482-2855561 289-6750 Point taken. I think we agree on most counts and certainly no one should give medical advise under false pretense, but good advise from a parent who has been there and done that is often more reliable than that of many of the well meaning but often times less-than-accurate prognosis/diagnosis from a neurologist, psychiatrist or psychologist. Particularly the ones who are handing out these anti psychotic meds to our kids like they are candy especially when all of the indications point to these meds being more harmful than good. Organized medicine has killed 7,841,360 Americans in the last 10 years. "Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic [doctor-induced] deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the U.S. throughout its entire history," commented the Nutrition Institute of America (NIA), in its report, "Death By Medicine" (Oct., 2003). Careful who you trust, medicine is practiced by imperfect people just like you and I. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore?I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 , I have to agree. Before my son had risperdal i was covered in black and blue marks from pinching and hitting. Inside of one week he mellowed out, focused and has been so much easier to deal with. He can relate so much better because of the impulse control he has now. Without it, good luck. Everyone needs to do what is best for their child in their opinion. No judgments! Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV and I am glad for you and your family that Ambilify works for you but so many people who have taken this drug have ended up worse than before they began. Take a look at some of the You tube videos of patients who have taken this drug to see how it has horribly affected their lives. Maybe your lucky or maybe they are unlucky, but those odds are way too scary for me. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Ultimately, of course, each family has to make its own choices, but I do urge everyone to keep an open mind on ALL options, and not base health decisions on Youtube videos. To: sList Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:41 AMSubject: Re: hygiene I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV and I am glad for you and your family that Ambilify works for you but so many people who have taken this drug have ended up worse than before they began. Take a look at some of the You tube videos of patients who have taken this drug to see how it has horribly affected their lives. Maybe your lucky or maybe they are unlucky, but those odds are way too scary for me. Re: hygiene If your daughter constantly has something in her mouth which means she has pica....she needs iron and zinc....plus there is malabsorption in her GI tract which means there is yeast overgrowth. The Candida makes them very defiant. You can give her some zinc, liquid chlorophyll will increase the iron levels and lots of probiotics for the GI tract. I don't know if she's on a GFCF diet, but watching sugars, carbs, dairy and gluten will help with the compliance issues. She most definitely needs oral motor work in her mouth - a Craniosacral therapist can help with that or a good chiro who works with children. Change the toothpaste, get one of those battery operated toothbrushes. Find something you know she wants and will capitulate for so you can bargain to get her to brush her teeth. Yes, I did not know that washing and certain sensations could be an issue. We were figuring there were other reasons for her behavior. Does anyone have idea about the tooth-brushing thing? My daughter constantly has something small in her mouth, a tiny piece of something, a little rock, something. She doesn't choke and always removes it when she is ready to eat. Now...why won't she brush her teeth anymore? I didn't think of seeing an OT for this but maybe I will. Khat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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