Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 No Mona. It's not about LSR. It's about you. -----Original Message----- From: MonaHolland1@... and the LSR plot would now be running smoothly and clandestinely. --Commander Holland-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >No Mona. > >It's not about LSR. > >It's about you. No, , it's about you! You started this thread.... questioning Mona's motives and more. Take a look in the mirror, buddy. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >No Mona. > >It's not about LSR. > >It's about you. No, , it's about you! You started this thread.... questioning Mona's motives and more. Take a look in the mirror, buddy. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >No Mona. > >It's not about LSR. > >It's about you. No, , it's about you! You started this thread.... questioning Mona's motives and more. Take a look in the mirror, buddy. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Seriously, I do want to chew the fat with you about the legal/political aspects of coercion to non-AA groups and stuff, so if we can't get it in here and you leave, I'd like to continue it with you on a Legal forum or something. Make sure you keep in touch, k? Oh, I'll be around recovery politics venues. It's become a preoccupation. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Seriously, I do want to chew the fat with you about the legal/political aspects of coercion to non-AA groups and stuff, so if we can't get it in here and you leave, I'd like to continue it with you on a Legal forum or something. Make sure you keep in touch, k? Oh, I'll be around recovery politics venues. It's become a preoccupation. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Hello Steve, > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who said, in > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at rehabs, work > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Hello Steve, > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who said, in > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at rehabs, work > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >Hello Steve, > > > > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who >said, in > > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at >rehabs, work > > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " > >I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment >made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last >December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does >not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. > >If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said >that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your >comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in >general. > > I can't remember the person, but I can tell you it was Friday, July 27 or Saturday, July 28, the first or second day I joined. The comment to that effect was made by a person in what seemed to be all seriousness. A couple of other people discussed his general ideas. They didn't embrace them, but they didn't say..... that's looney, either. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >Hello Steve, > > > > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who >said, in > > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at >rehabs, work > > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " > >I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment >made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last >December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does >not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. > >If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said >that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your >comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in >general. > > I can't remember the person, but I can tell you it was Friday, July 27 or Saturday, July 28, the first or second day I joined. The comment to that effect was made by a person in what seemed to be all seriousness. A couple of other people discussed his general ideas. They didn't embrace them, but they didn't say..... that's looney, either. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > >Hello Steve, > > > > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who >said, in > > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at >rehabs, work > > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " > >I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment >made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last >December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does >not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. > >If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said >that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your >comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in >general. > > I can't remember the person, but I can tell you it was Friday, July 27 or Saturday, July 28, the first or second day I joined. The comment to that effect was made by a person in what seemed to be all seriousness. A couple of other people discussed his general ideas. They didn't embrace them, but they didn't say..... that's looney, either. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Ken, > > Mona, > > I'm very curious how you think LSR/SOS is not merely AA without God. Ken, *I* am very curious how you think that there could be anything even resembling " AA without God. " !!!!!!!! Giving your will over to the HP, aka GOD, is the fundamental premise that AA and what all the step groups are based on. If you don't have that, you don't have an XA step group. The conversion is based on powerlessness over [fill in the blank]. Personal powerlessness leaves open the possibility of direction from God and it is *this* aspect that makes XA what it is. Even if you substitute a different " HP, " the conversion to being *other-directed* rather than *self-directed* is what is important (supposing I were to believe such a thing was really possible). I have never been to LSR/SOS, but understand that it is secular and abstinence-based. As far as I can tell, the *only* thing that it has in common with AA is abstinence from alcohol. I don't really get that people are powerless over it...but maybe this is where you are coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Ken, > > Mona, > > I'm very curious how you think LSR/SOS is not merely AA without God. Ken, *I* am very curious how you think that there could be anything even resembling " AA without God. " !!!!!!!! Giving your will over to the HP, aka GOD, is the fundamental premise that AA and what all the step groups are based on. If you don't have that, you don't have an XA step group. The conversion is based on powerlessness over [fill in the blank]. Personal powerlessness leaves open the possibility of direction from God and it is *this* aspect that makes XA what it is. Even if you substitute a different " HP, " the conversion to being *other-directed* rather than *self-directed* is what is important (supposing I were to believe such a thing was really possible). I have never been to LSR/SOS, but understand that it is secular and abstinence-based. As far as I can tell, the *only* thing that it has in common with AA is abstinence from alcohol. I don't really get that people are powerless over it...but maybe this is where you are coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Ken, > > Mona, > > I'm very curious how you think LSR/SOS is not merely AA without God. Ken, *I* am very curious how you think that there could be anything even resembling " AA without God. " !!!!!!!! Giving your will over to the HP, aka GOD, is the fundamental premise that AA and what all the step groups are based on. If you don't have that, you don't have an XA step group. The conversion is based on powerlessness over [fill in the blank]. Personal powerlessness leaves open the possibility of direction from God and it is *this* aspect that makes XA what it is. Even if you substitute a different " HP, " the conversion to being *other-directed* rather than *self-directed* is what is important (supposing I were to believe such a thing was really possible). I have never been to LSR/SOS, but understand that it is secular and abstinence-based. As far as I can tell, the *only* thing that it has in common with AA is abstinence from alcohol. I don't really get that people are powerless over it...but maybe this is where you are coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > In a message dated 8/8/01 4:05:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > watts_pete@h... writes: > > > > Say, have you noticed that without > > the R, his name is " Tippel " , and a " tipple " is a coy term for a drink? > > > > And this, of course, rhymes with...Ripple. Oh, but wait, you Brits may not > be privy to that fine fermented beverage. Think fortified cough syrup that > sells for $1.98 a bottle. Well take T off his name, and you get " Ripple " ! The only Ripple we have here is Raspberry Ripple, which being an ice cream clearly shos his hostility to my OA membership! Seriously, I do want to chew the fat with you about the legal/political aspects of coercion to non-AA groups and stuff, so if we can't get it in here and you leave, I'd like to continue it with you on a Legal forum or something. Make sure you keep in touch, k? P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > In a message dated 8/8/01 4:05:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > watts_pete@h... writes: > > > > Say, have you noticed that without > > the R, his name is " Tippel " , and a " tipple " is a coy term for a drink? > > > > And this, of course, rhymes with...Ripple. Oh, but wait, you Brits may not > be privy to that fine fermented beverage. Think fortified cough syrup that > sells for $1.98 a bottle. Well take T off his name, and you get " Ripple " ! The only Ripple we have here is Raspberry Ripple, which being an ice cream clearly shos his hostility to my OA membership! Seriously, I do want to chew the fat with you about the legal/political aspects of coercion to non-AA groups and stuff, so if we can't get it in here and you leave, I'd like to continue it with you on a Legal forum or something. Make sure you keep in touch, k? P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > In a message dated 8/8/01 4:05:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > watts_pete@h... writes: > > > > Say, have you noticed that without > > the R, his name is " Tippel " , and a " tipple " is a coy term for a drink? > > > > And this, of course, rhymes with...Ripple. Oh, but wait, you Brits may not > be privy to that fine fermented beverage. Think fortified cough syrup that > sells for $1.98 a bottle. Well take T off his name, and you get " Ripple " ! The only Ripple we have here is Raspberry Ripple, which being an ice cream clearly shos his hostility to my OA membership! Seriously, I do want to chew the fat with you about the legal/political aspects of coercion to non-AA groups and stuff, so if we can't get it in here and you leave, I'd like to continue it with you on a Legal forum or something. Make sure you keep in touch, k? P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 At 06:20 PM 8/8/01 -0500, Steve Snyder wrote: > >> >>Hello Steve, >> >> >> > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who >>said, in >> > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at >>rehabs, work >> > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " >> >>I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment >>made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last >>December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does >>not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. >> >>If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said >>that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your >>comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in >>general. >> >> > >I can't remember the person, but I can tell you it was Friday, July 27 or >Saturday, July 28, the first or second day I joined. The comment to that >effect was made by a person in what seemed to be all seriousness. A couple >of other people discussed his general ideas. They didn't embrace them, but >they didn't say..... that's looney, either. Okay, I admit it. My name is Ben Bradley and I'm a practicing Luna Tick. >Steve ---------- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 At 06:20 PM 8/8/01 -0500, Steve Snyder wrote: > >> >>Hello Steve, >> >> >> > So too, as I already posted once, is the sheer lunacy of people who >>said, in >> > essence, " I think we should pretend to be steppers, get jobs at >>rehabs, work >> > 'undercover' for 5 years, then overthrow the system. " >> >>I have missed a few posts recently, so must have missed this comment >>made by someone here. I've been reading and posting here since last >>December, I believe, and a comment such as the one you refer to does >>not seem typical of list members here, unless they were joking. >> >>If you can point me to the reference where someone here really said >>that, that might back up your position. Otherwise, I think your >>comments here are *way* offbase and do not characterize this list in >>general. >> >> > >I can't remember the person, but I can tell you it was Friday, July 27 or >Saturday, July 28, the first or second day I joined. The comment to that >effect was made by a person in what seemed to be all seriousness. A couple >of other people discussed his general ideas. They didn't embrace them, but >they didn't say..... that's looney, either. Okay, I admit it. My name is Ben Bradley and I'm a practicing Luna Tick. >Steve ---------- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Yes. I see just exactly how powerful you are now. Re: New here In a message dated 8/8/01 5:46:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, arroyoh@... writes: No Mona. It's not about LSR. It's about you. Of course it is. I'm Powerful. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Yes. I see just exactly how powerful you are now. Re: New here In a message dated 8/8/01 5:46:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, arroyoh@... writes: No Mona. It's not about LSR. It's about you. Of course it is. I'm Powerful. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 You know what that was a cheap shot and I apologize for it. - Re: New here - - -In a message dated 8/8/01 5:46:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, -arroyoh@... writes: - - - -No Mona. - -It's not about LSR. - -It's about you. - - - -Of course it is. I'm Powerful. - ---Mona-- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 You know what that was a cheap shot and I apologize for it. - Re: New here - - -In a message dated 8/8/01 5:46:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, -arroyoh@... writes: - - - -No Mona. - -It's not about LSR. - -It's about you. - - - -Of course it is. I'm Powerful. - ---Mona-- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > I have never been to LSR/SOS, but understand that it is secular and > abstinence-based. As far as I can tell, the *only* thing that it has > in common with AA is abstinence from alcohol. I don't really get that > people are powerless over it...but maybe this is where you are coming > from? > > We don't say that, either. Nor do we officially proclaim alcoholism is a disease. Some members choose that as their own belief, but that's part of the freedom of choice. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 > I have never been to LSR/SOS, but understand that it is secular and > abstinence-based. As far as I can tell, the *only* thing that it has > in common with AA is abstinence from alcohol. I don't really get that > people are powerless over it...but maybe this is where you are coming > from? > > We don't say that, either. Nor do we officially proclaim alcoholism is a disease. Some members choose that as their own belief, but that's part of the freedom of choice. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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