Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Have any of you signed up for the PSC thalidomide clinical trial Dr. Lindor is beginning at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN? Fred and I received information about it and are going to be asking some questions of the nurse coordinator. Here's what we got: Hello , Your email message was sent to me as I am one of the coordinators for trials in PSC. The minocycline study has been closed but we have another trial in PSC evaluating a drug called thalidomide. Your husband would need to be seen at Mayo Rochester by Dr. Lindor prior to entering a study. You can schedule an appointment for him by calling Sara Epperson at (507)284-4313. You can contact me with any questions you may have. a a nsen, MS, RN Research Coordinator Department of Gastroenterology & Hepatology Mayo Clinic (507)284-2698 Pager 284-6423 (507)266-4531 (fax) jorgensen.roberta@... Wife of Fred, PSC 03/04, UC 03/06, Pancreatitis 10/07 P.S. Fred started eating REAL (albeit bland) food yesterday. Feels much better. NO diarrhea at ALL today. Nothing, in fact. So now he thinks he's constipated. (Welcome to my world.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hi ; If you are looking for questions to ask of the nurse coordinator about thalidomide, please ask about adverse effects of thalidomide over the long-term: Aliment Pharmacol Ther. 2007 Mar 1;25(5):557-67. Thalidomide in luminal and fistulizing Crohn's disease resistant to standard therapies. Plamondon S, Ng SC, Kamm MA St Mark's Hospital, Harrow, UK. BACKGROUND: Thalidomide has been shown to be an effective treatment in Crohn's disease. AIM: To assess the efficacy and tolerability of thalidomide in refractory Crohn's disease patients. METHODS: Twenty- five patients were treated. Retrospective 'estimated' Crohn's Disease Activity Indices were assessed at baseline and at the end of follow- up. Clinical response was defined as symptomatic improvement and a reduction in the 'estimated' Crohn's Disease Activity Index of >100 points, > or =50% reduction in draining fistulas or clinical improvement in perianal ulcers. Clinical remission was defined as symptom resolution and an 'estimated' Crohn's Disease Activity Index <150, complete fistula closure or complete ulcer healing. RESULTS: Six of eight patients treated for luminal disease responded to thalidomide at a median follow-up of 12 months (three clinical responses, three clinical remissions). The median reduction in 'estimated' Crohn's Disease Activity Index was 212 points (P = 0.005). Nine of 11 patients with active fistulizing disease responded to thalidomide (six responses; three remissions). The four patients treated for both luminal and fistulizing disease had fistula response. Three of them had a response in luminal disease activity. One of two patients with ulcerating perianal disease responded. Twelve patients discontinued treatment because of adverse effects (three sedation; two abdominal pain; one leucopoenia; six neuropathy). CONCLUSION: Thalidomide is an effective short- to medium- term treatment in selected patients with refractory luminal and fistulizing Crohn's disease. Its long-term use is limited by toxicity. PMID: 17305756. I understand that thalidomide is a tumor necrosis factor blocker, and so could act like Remicade to block inflammation, but the high percentage of adverse effects reported above, suggests that it use could be risky? I have also read that thalidomide can activate platelets, and can preciptate deep vein thrombosis unless taken with aspirin or warfarin: Am J Hematol. 2006 Jun;81(6):420-2. Efficacy of prophylactic warfarin for prevention of thalidomide- related deep venous thrombosis. Ikhlaque N, Seshadri V, Kathula S, Baumann MA Division of Hematology/Oncology, State University School of Medicine, Dayton, Ohio 45428, USA. BACKGROUND: Deep venous thrombosis (DVT) is a common complication of thalidomide treatment. There is little information to guide clinicians in selecting effective preventive treatments and physician practice varies. We sought to determine whether prophylactic anticoagulation with warfarin prevents DVT related to thalidomide treatment. METHODS: We reviewed the records of 131 patients receiving thalidomide for a variety of indications. Fifty-five patients were prescribed warfarin with the intent of preventing DVT. Thirty-seven patients received warfarin at a dose of 1-2 mg per day (low dose) and 18 received a dose intended to raise the INR to 2-3 (high dose). RESULTS: Twenty-one of the 131 patients developed venous thrombosis during thalidomide treatment. Eighteen of the 76 patients (23.7%) who were not prescribed prophylactic anticoagulation developed DVT compared to 3 of the 55 patients (5.5%) who were prescribed any dose of prophylactic warfarin (P = 0.010). Only 1 of the 37 patients who received low-dose warfarin developed DVT (P = 0.011). Bleeding complications occurred in 4 patients, all of whom were receiving high- dose warfarin. CONCLUSION: Prophylactic anticoagulation with warfarin reduces the risk of thrombosis during thalidomide treatment. Low-dose warfarin may be as effective as higher dose treatment and may result in fewer bleeding complications. PMID: 16680743. IBD patients are already at risk for DVT, and I worry that thalidomide might make this risk much higher? From what I have read about thalidomide, I would not let my son take it. Best regards, Dave R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dave,Thanks so much for posting this.It doesn't sound like anything I would want Bill to try.He already has had enough problems with platelets being too high and with blood clots.Where or where is a safe drug, where is the nor-urso ?Let's hope we can spark something new soon.LeeHi ;If you are looking for questions to ask of the nurse coordinator about thalidomide, please ask about adverse effects of thalidomide over the long-term:Aliment Pharmacol Ther. 2007 Mar 1;25(5):557-67. Thalidomide in luminal and fistulizing Crohn's disease resistant to standard therapies.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dave- Appreciate the articles and your comments. If it's mainly to treat retractable UC and Crohns, we're not interested anyway. (Fred's been responding well to steroids and Asacal with his latest flare up.) Will call the nurse in any event, just to get more info, as I'm curious as to just what they hope to accomplish, but if you wouldn't let your son take it, I wouldn't let Fred take it. Wife of Fred, PSC, 03/04, UC 03/06, Pancreatitis 10/07 > > Hi ; > > If you are looking for questions to ask of the nurse coordinator > about thalidomide, please ask about adverse effects of thalidomide > over the long-term: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Only playing devils advocate here – (edited for length.) “In 1964, an Israeli physician gave the man two tablets of thalidomide.  The result was soon followed by more favorable experiences, followed by a clinical trial. Dr. Sheskin's drug of last resort revolutionized the care of leprosy, and led to the closing of most leprosy hospitals.†“Serious infections including sepsis and tuberculosis cause the level of tumor necrosis factor α (TNFα) to rise. TNFα is a chemical mediator in the body, and it may enhance the wasting process in cancer patients as well. Thalidomide may reduce the levels of TNFα, and it is possible that the drug's effect on ENL is caused by this mechanism.†Thalidomide also has potent anti-inflammatory effects  - Thalomid, in conjunction with dexamethasone, is now standard therapy for multiple myeloma. Thalidomide also inhibits the growth of new blood vessels (angiogenesis), which may be useful in treating macular degeneration and other diseases; this effect also helps AIDS patients with Kaposi's sarcoma. The FDA formed a Thalidomide Working Group in 1994 to provide consistency between its divisions, with particular emphasis on safety monitoring. The agency also imposed severe restrictions on the distribution of Thalomid through the System for Thalidomide Education and Prescribing Safety (STEPS) program. Thalidomide is also being investigated for treating symptoms of prostate cancer, glioblastoma, lymphoma, arachnoiditis, Behçet's disease, and Crohn's disease. In a small trial, Australian researchers found thalidomide sparked a doubling of the number of T cells in patients, allowing the patients' own immune system to attack cancer cells.â€Â On a personal note – my neighbor who had a nasty blood cancer (too long & hard to spell) was given 6 months to live. MD in Houston put him in a clinical trial using Thalidomide.  He did so well, MD sought and was given approval to use it for him beyond their clinical trial.  He lived for an additional 6 years on Thalidomide! Dr Lindor is no slouch when it comes to PSC, he (and Mayo Clinic) must really think it “might†help or he wouldn’t be wasting his time and money pursuing it.  I’d at least listen to what they have to say about the trial.  My totally uneducated thinking is, he’s probably looking at the T cells doubling (in the right place) and going Mmmmm.  The side effects don’t sound good, but like chemo, if it works and cures PSC……….. I’d take it in a heart beat. Again, I’m only playing devils advocate. I know we’ll all be watching the results of this study. Barb in Texas     Disoriented T Cells Cause Liver Disease T cells activated in the gut during inflammatory bowel disease can be re-routed to the liver and cause chronic liver disease, according to Eksteen and colleagues in the December 1, 2004 issue of The Journal of Experimental Medicine. A chronic liver disease known as primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) has been linked to inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) in the past. But the connection between the two disorders has been unclear, especially as the liver condition often develops years after IBD has resolved or the colon has been surgically removed. Eksteen and colleagues now show that T cells that were activated in the gut – probably during IBD - are found in the livers of patients with PSC, but not in those of patients with other inflammatory liver diseases. The authors explain this detour by showing that an attractant protein that normally directs T cells into the gut is aberrantly produced in the liver during PSC. T cells expressing the receptor for the protein are thus re-routed to the liver, although the authors do not know what triggers liver cells to make the attractant in the first place. T cells can survive as memory cells for many years after they are activated, and the authors believe this may explain how the liver disease can crop up years after IBD has resolved. Adapted from materials provided by Journal Of Experimental Medicine. -----Original Message----- From what I have read about thalidomide, I would not let my son take it.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Barb, Thanks for playing the devil's advocate. You brought up some very important points in the articles you posted as did Dave. It is crucial to see both sides. If one were to read the side effects of the immunosuppresants after tranplant, you may opt out of translant also...but you can't do that when you reach that point. All drugs have side effects, some worse than others...and when it comes to research it makes it harder to decide whether to take the chance. I bet if this drug were to cure PSC we would all (or the majority) have ourselves or loved ones in line to take it. I wish Dr. Lindor the best of luck with this and hopefully one day he will find us the cure we all are praying for. Joanne (mom of Todd) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Barb and Joanne; I agree that we have to hear both sides of the story ... it would be nice to see both the rationale for why thalidomide is being tested in PSC, and what the expected benefits and risks might be. Once both sides of the story are presented then we can each make our own decisions. I was simply trying to point out that this drug has some adverse effects, and that these would be worth discussing before entering into a thalidomide trial. I confess that my opinion of this drug is somewhat tainted by the fact that when I was growing up in the early 1960's in the U.K. I saw many kids living with birth defects resulting from the mother's use of this drug. This had a BIG impression on me! I would like to point out that thalidomide did not lead to the closure of leprosy clinics. Rather it was multidrug antibiotic therapies that did so. WHO does not recommend use of thalidomide in treatment of leprosy, nor in the treatment of erythema nodosum leprosum (ENL) that can sometimes accompany leprosy: ___________________________ Pediatrics 111: 712 (2003) The schizophrenic career of a " monster drug " . Crawford CL Comment on: Pediatrics. 2002 Aug;110(2 Pt 1):404-6. To the Editor; The events surrounding Sheskin's discovery showing the effect of thalidomide in treating leprosy patients with erythema nodosum leprosum (ENL) are vividly described in Dark Remedy. The Impact of Thalidomide and Its Revival as a Vital Medicine1 and recounted in Silverman's review of the book. Silverman2 quotes s's and Brynner's statement that " because of Dr Sheskin's discovery, 90% of leprosy hospitals around the world were shut down. " Leprosy hospitals, it is true, have been shut down, but this is attributable to the widespread use of dapsone and multidrug therapy, rather than thalidomide, which has no antibacterial effect. For example, in Benin, a country of 6 million people, 20 leprosaria have been closed or turned into health centers since the World Health Organization (WHO) decided to eliminate the disease.3 Moreover, WHO no longer recommends the use of thalidomide for treating ENL.4 Brynner, in beginning treatment with thalidomide for pyoderma gangrenosum, was so concerned about developing nerve damage that he wrote, " I had read all about that [nerve damage], and the fact that it could be permanent terrified me more than anything else. " Yet he makes no attempt to explain why thalidomide neuropathy has not been reported in leprosy patients given the drug. In patients with nonleprous disorders the frequency is at least 21%.5 C.L. Crawford, MRCP Imperial College School of Medicine Chaning Cross Hospital London W6 8RF, United Kingdom REFERENCES 1. s T, Brynner R. Dark Remedy. The Impact of Thalidomide and Its Revival as a Vital Medicine. Cambridge, MA: Perseus Publishing; 2001 2. Silverman WA. The schizophrenic career of a " monster drug. " Pediatrics. 2002;110:404-406 3. Benin: phasing out the leprosaria. In: Leprosy. Learning from success. Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, 2001:30-33. WHO/CDS/CPE/CEE/2001.20 4. World Health Organization. The final push strategy to eliminate leprosy as a public health problem - questions and answers. 1st ed. Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization; 2002 5. Ochonisky S, Verroust J, Bastuji-Garin S, Gheradi R, Revuz J. Thalidomide neuropathy incidence and clinicoelectrophysiologic findings in 42 patients. Arch Dermatol. 1994;130:66-69 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/111/3/712 PMID: 12612270 ___________________ Use of thalidomide in leprosy http://www.who.int/lep/research/thalidomide/en/index.html Thalidomide or alpha-(N-phthalimido) glutarimide was first marketed in 1957 for morning sickness and nausea and soon became the `drug of choice to help pregnant women'. By the early 1960s the drug was found to be associated with a congenital abnormality causing severe birth defects in children born of women who had been prescribed this drug during pregnancy. More than 10,000 cases of birth defects were reported in over 46 nations following exposure to the drug. Children were born with missing or abnormal legs, arms, feet and hands; spinal cord defects; cleft lip or palate; absent or abnormal external ears; heart, kidney, and genital abnormalities; and abnormal formation of the digestive system. A few years later, however, thalidomide was reintroduced as the treatment for a complication of leprosy called erythema nodosum leprosum (ENL). Although the evidence was not fully established, very soon the drug was heralded as the drug of choice for the management of ENL reactions in leprosy and regulatory authorities granted exemption from licensing requirements to enable doctors to obtain limited supplies of thalidomide under strictly controlled circumstances for use in named patients. Thalidomide's effectiveness in minimizing symptoms of ENL was mainly due to its antipyretic action. Its effectiveness in controlling neuritis, the major cause of permanent disabilities in leprosy, was limited. Several controlled studies done in the 1970s have demonstrated that prednisolone is more effective in controlling ENL and associated neuritis. In addition, it was demonstrated that clofazimine, an anti- leprosy drug introduced on a small scale in the early 1960s had anti- inflammatory action. Studies showed that clofazimine is the drug of choice for the management of chronic, recurrent ENL reactions, as it had both anti-reaction and anti-leprosy effects. The drug clofazimine is now a component of the multidrug therapy (MDT), introduced by WHO in 1981 as the standard treatment for leprosy and now supplied free of charge to all patients worldwide. The presence of clofazimine in the combination has significantly reduced the frequency and severity of ENL reactions. Because of its known teratogenic effects, WHO does not recommend the use of thalidomide in leprosy. Experience has shown that it is virtually impossible to develop and implement a fool-proof surveillance mechanism to combat misuse of the drug. Today, a number of thalidomide babies continue to be born each year reflecting regulatory insufficiency and widespread use under inadequate supervision. ____________________ Best regards, Dave R. > > Only playing devils advocate here †" (edited for length.) > “In 1964, an Israeli physician gave the man two tablets of thalidomide. The result was soon followed by more favorable experiences, followed by a clinical trial. Dr. Sheskin's drug of last resort revolutionized the care of leprosy, and led to the closing of most leprosy hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Barb, Thanks for enlighting the group regarding the possible very potent uses of Thalidomide. Also for posting that very interesting article " Disoriented T Cells " from the journal of Experimental Medicine. PSC/UC --- Barb Henshaw wrote: > Only playing devils advocate here – (edited for > length.) > “In 1964, an Israeli physician gave the man two > tablets of thalidomide. The result was soon > followed by more favorable experiences, followed by > a clinical trial. > Disoriented T Cells Cause Liver Disease > > T cells activated in the gut during inflammatory > bowel disease can be re-routed to the liver and > cause chronic liver disease, according to Eksteen > and colleagues in the December 1, 2004 issue of The > Journal of Experimental Medicine. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hi Everyone, Is there a central location on our website were all the on going clinical trials related to PSC is located? I'd be interested in participating. I don't know if they'd want me since I haven't had any symptoms since Jan 2006, but I'd like to help if possible. Washington, DC __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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