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That's what I use..the Weider..I got a combo of all htree plus a seperate

Creatine to make sure I was getting enough..It got me through the beginning,

but the flavors are orange-pineapple or vanilla..no unflavored, so unless I

made a smoothie with OJ, it was pretty nasty in anything else I put it in.

Now I just drink the spirutein which comes in mocha or banana among other

flavors and is good for the whey...

Steve-I got the Wieder at the Teeter in, of all places- DURHAM! ;)

Stevie

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> You'd want to check the proportions of each ingredient in the mix, to make

> sure it approximates what is in the patient handbook. It sounds like a

> promising idea though. If you have a web address where it can be found,

> please pass it along so we can all check it out.

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> E. Parsons

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> > I was pricing all the supplements that one has post op. I came

> > across

> > a powder called something ike Lean Pro, put out by Weider, it

> > containes Creatine, Glutamine, and whey protine. Can one just buy

> > and

> > use this for all three seperate supplements? Or would it be best to

> > take each seperately?

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Hi Ann,

This is a very late response but I saw your question about citrus

bioflavonoids. I've been taking the Natrol Ester-C with bioflavonoids

(500 mg, 3 per day) for a long time and have never experienced any

problems. Dr. Nase specifically recommended Ester-C, and from what

I've read, bioflavonoids are a supplement that anyone with vascular

problems or inflammation should take every day. As has

mentioned, buckwheat products are a good source of rutin, an

additional bioflavonoid source. Here is a snippet of one article on

bioflavonoids and vitamin C; these compounds work together:

" Bioflavonoids are found in the rind of citrus fruit, and may help in

the absorption of Vitamin C. In addition, Bioflavonoids strengthen

capillary walls, which helps prevent spider veins, varicose veins,

and hemorrhages and bruises. They also work as an anti-inflammatory

agent by deactivating enzymes that produce inflammation. Their

primary beneficial role may be in protecting vitamin C from oxidation

in the body. This makes more C available for use by the body. Studies

have shown that the bioflavonoid quercetin is effective in reducing

herpes sores. Quercetin may also relieve the symptoms of many

allergies by strengthening cell walls that would normally release

histamines and seratonin into the bloodstream. "

http://www.mothernature.com/articles/bioflavonoids/article1.stm

VitamineShoppe.com has the best deal going on Natrol EsterC with

bioflavonoids, as well as most other supplements.

~Jim

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Hi Everyone. I am going to start to take Ester-C and Grape Seed

Extract, as has been recommended here. I found the grape Seed

Extract by Source Naturals that was recommended, but I'm wondering

about the Ester-C. I bought Natrol Ester-C, but I see it has

bioflavoids, extracts from Lemon. That doesn't sound good for

rosacea. I react to citrus. Will this be bad? Could someone tell me

which one they take that doesn't give them problems? I see at Vitamin

Shoppe.com they do have a lot of other Ester-C by Natrol, some with

nothing added. Perhaps that's the one that I should be taking. Also,

is there a Zinc supplement that is better for us than others?

I want to take the right thing and I would so appreciate your help.

One time I took regular Vitamin C and oh what a mess my face was!!

Thanks.

Ann

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---( level-1 text from Jim. T = 20.02.2001 on 08:18 +0000 )---

>.... As has mentioned, buckwheat products are a good

>source of rutin, an additional bioflavonoid source.

Buckwheat is an excellent natural food that can add nutrition and

variety to your diet.

Important to add: buckwheat is *NOT* a kind of wheat. In fact, it

isn't even in the grass family, which is the family of grain plants

like wheat, rye, barley, oats, millet, etc. Buckwheat is from Central

Asia and was introduced into Europe in the 16th century.

BTW, FWIW, I read somewhere that northern Europeans used rye for

generations, because it grows better in cold climates (up to the

arctic circle), and may be a reason for the large number of people

with allergies to wheat, which, though long known in Europe, was a

comparative luxury until the 17th century. (In France, an 8th century

edict of Charlemagne fixed the price of oats at one denier, barley at

two denier, rye at three denier and wheat at four denier per bushel.

You can thus assume relative quantities consumed by Europeans of the

time according to the price difference between these four grains.)

Just a little sidebar for interest.

Ray Weisling

If someone says something is impossible, don't believe them.

Most people would have thought riding half a carriage, without horses,

quite impossible -- until the bicycle was invented.

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I will say a far as suppl my son has been doing juice plus and huge gains and good digestive help in fact I believe in it so much I am now a distrib and I take myself any ? Check out my website. www.alexandriasjuiceplus.com or call me if you want more info putting it out there Thanks andriaSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®Sender: sList Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:42:06 -0400To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: supplements No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon Wow.  This is probably too good to be true.Sent from my iPad has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????http://www.manataka.org/page904.html Thank you, www.thepuzzleplace.com 

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Just google juice plus it's snake oil.

From: sachmet21@...To: sList Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:59:32 PMSubject: Re: supplements

I will say a far as suppl my son has been doing juice plus and huge gains and good digestive help in fact I believe in it so much I am now a distrib and I take myself any ? Check out my website. www.alexandriasjuiceplus.com or call me if you want more info putting it out there Thanks andria Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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Subject: Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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With all due respect, just wanted to make a comment about the negative Juice Plus statement. It probably has more clinical and scientific studies to support the efficacy of their product than half the vitamins on the market. One of my best friends, whose son is considered "recovered" used Juice Plus throughout her son's entire recovery program with great results. I as well used a similar whole food supplement with my kids, and have been very happy with our results. Of course, this was far from the only thing we did. We have been strictly gluten free, dairy free, soy free minus specific food allergies, have done over 600 dives of mild Hyperbaric Oxygen, 2 detox foot baths per week, EMF mitigation, many other supplements, etc., but I am now happy to say that my son is now modeling and acting in Hollywood, CA. Believe me, I am already writing my book, "From Autism to Acting!!". I must say as a disclaimer that results may vary, but I at least wanted to defend the Juice Plus product. I have nothing to gain from that. It's just that I have several friends that swear by this product. The person I am referring to is Lori Ortiz, owner and editor of the Parent Notebook there locally. I'm sure she will be happy to tell you her amazing story. Unfortunately, our kids are snowflakes, and what works great for one child might cause a reaction in another, so we must try to experiment with products that bode well in our risk vs benefit analysis. My motto has always been, "Pull the bad stuff out, and put the good stuff in, and the body will heal itself, as that is how God has created it." God Bless you guys!!! Hang in there!!!

Hugs and love,

Wanda Glemaud, CNC, Dip DSC

www.HyperbaricEdge.com

Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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With all due respect Dr. Wanda ( and exactly what type of doctor are you? CNC Dip DSC ? Please show me ONE scientific study that supports the efficacy of juice plus. I tease my Dentist that he sells the stuff from his office...... try ripoff report and enter juice plus.. BR>

From: drwanda2000@...To: sList Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:35:09 AMSubject: Re: supplements

With all due respect, just wanted to make a comment about the negative Juice Plus statement. It probably has more clinical and scientific studies to support the efficacy of their product than half the vitamins on the market. One of my best friends, whose son is considered "recovered" used Juice Plus throughout her son's entire recovery program with great results. I as well used a similar whole food supplement with my kids, and have been very happy with our results. Of course, this was far from the only thing we did. We have been strictly gluten free, dairy free, soy free minus specific food allergies, have done over 600 dives of mild Hyperbaric Oxygen, 2 detox foot baths per week, EMF mitigation, many other supplements, etc., but I am now happy to say that my son is now modeling and acting in Hollywood, CA. Believe me, I am already writing my book, "From Autism to Acting!!". I must say as a disclaimer that results may vary, but I at least wanted to defend the Juice Plus product. I have nothing to gain from that. It's just that I have several friends that swear by this product. The person I am referring to is Lori Ortiz, owner and editor of the Parent Notebook there locally. I'm sure she will be happy to tell you her amazing story. Unfortunately, our kids are snowflakes, and what works great for one child might cause a reaction in another, so we must try to experiment with products that bode well in our risk vs benefit analysis. My motto has always been, "Pull the bad stuff out, and put the good stuff in, and the body will heal itself, as that is how God has created it." God Bless you guys!!! Hang in there!!!

Hugs and love,

Wanda Glemaud, CNC, Dip DSC

www.HyperbaricEdge.com

Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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Results of Juice Plus+® Clinical Research :

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/results_child.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/advisory_committee.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/aboutthestudy.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/juiceplus_childrenshealth.html

http://www.scienceandhealthnews.com/health-professionals

https://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/content/ResearchShows.soa

My credentials are all posted on my website:

www.HyperbaricEdge.com

Respectfully,

Wanda Glemaud, CNC, Dip DSC

Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need

to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not

" diluted " properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is

one ingredient that is an " unknown " . Nobody seems to know what it is and the

makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry

about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's

body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an

opposite view of this product. Stating it is " a waste of money " or it is " not at

all effective " . There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing

practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very

nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you

might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want desperately to see

positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and

money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the

parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their

children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if

whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe

for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or

becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it.

Glenda

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Well said.

Subject: Re: supplementsTo: sList Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 10:29 AM

First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not "diluted" properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is one ingredient that is an "unknown". Nobody seems to know what it is and the makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety. Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an opposite view of this product. Stating it is "a waste of money" or it is "not at all effective". There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want

desperately to see positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it. Glenda> > > > > > > > has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????> > > http://www.manataka.org/page904.html> > > Thank you, > > www.thepuzzleplace.com>

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It looks like this is all the same study, conducted by Juice Plus themselves...

To: sList Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:36 AMSubject: Re: supplements

Results of Juice Plus+® Clinical Research :

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/results_child.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/advisory_committee.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/aboutthestudy.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/juiceplus_childrenshealth.html

http://www.scienceandhealthnews.com/health-professionals

https://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/content/ResearchShows.soa

My credentials are all posted on my website:

www.HyperbaricEdge.com

Respectfully,

Wanda Glemaud, CNC, Dip DSC

Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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Bingo.....they are all by juice plus. Wikpedia sheds much more light on the situation. Remember this is a pyramid operation ( multi level sales) and is the same company that brought you overpriced fire alarms , water filters, etc, in the past.

Ps. What got me going was when a distributor said she cured her son with this stuff.

To: sList Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:22:49 AMSubject: Re: supplements

It looks like this is all the same study, conducted by Juice Plus themselves...

To: sList Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:36 AMSubject: Re: supplements

Results of Juice Plus+® Clinical Research :

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/results_child.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/advisory_committee.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/aboutthestudy.html

http://www.childrenshealthstudy.com/juiceplus_childrenshealth.html

http://www.scienceandhealthnews.com/health-professionals

https://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/content/ResearchShows.soa

My credentials are all posted on my website:

www.HyperbaricEdge.com

Respectfully,

Wanda Glemaud, CNC, Dip DSC

Re: supplements

No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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Gracefully stated Glenda, and that is the approach we must take especially on a list serv such as this where we have such a wide variety of parents who are all searching for "something" to help their children. I just thought that was a very unfortunate, unfair, and very broad statement for someone to call an entire company "snake oil" when I personally know of some VERY wise and educated people who absolutely have experienced great improvements in their health and that of their children. As I said, I have not used it either, but it was just wrong to attack a company like that. That was not ethical. For that matter, there are lots of physicians out there that are recommending this or that supplement which contain magnesium sterate, which according to research done by Dr Deitrich Klinghardt is very damaging to our DNA, and it's practically in every capsuled vitamin out there. It's very scary. Yes, absolutely, it is most optimal for us to get organic dark green leafy vegetables and fruits that have not been sprayed with DDT or other harmful chemicals or colored with Red 40 or Yellow 5. But our food supply is very diminished in nutrient value and very tainted. I give my kids a whole food fruit and vegetable supplement similar to Juice Plus, and have since we got our diagnosis when my son was 2 1/2, and I NEVER said that this is what recovered my son. I listed the NUMEROUS things we did. Anyone who knows me personally knows that we almost went bankrupt with all the therapies and supplements we did. Would I do it all again? Yes. Do I think the whole food supplement played a role? Absolutely. That's all.

Wanda

Re: supplements

First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not "diluted" properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is one ingredient that is an "unknown". Nobody seems to know what it is and the makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an opposite view of this product. Stating it is "a waste of money" or it is "not at all effective". There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want desperately to see positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it.

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While I agree with you 95% I would remove the doesn't fit into our budget comment. If there was something out there that I knew would help my child I would find a way for it to fit in my budget. I juice for my son each day because he will not eat veggies. This has worked for years, it is relatively inexpensive (organic is a must and cost more), and NOTHING is better than whole organic unprocessed food. V8 juice is better than nothing but juice should be drank within 24 hours of juicing to get the full benefits and there is no telling how long the V8 has been sitting on the shelf.

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First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not "diluted" properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is one ingredient that is an "unknown". Nobody seems to know what it is and the makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an opposite view of this product. Stating it is "a waste of money" or it is "not at all effective". There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want desperately to see positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it.

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Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source and can not be used in research papers as a source because it is unreliable. Careful where you get your info from. Always be leery of any person or company trying to sell a cure.

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No idea if it works, but it is cheaper on Amazon

Wow. This is probably too good to be true.

Sent from my iPad

has anyone given this to there kids or have heard about it????

http://www.manataka.org/page904.html

Thank you,

www.thepuzzleplace.com

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What is the whole food supplement you give your child?

Re: supplements

First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not "diluted" properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is one ingredient that is an "unknown". Nobody seems to know what it is and the makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an opposite view of this product. Stating it is "a waste of money" or it is "not at all effective". There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want desperately to see positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it.

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Hi ,

The one I give is called i-nourish from www.giawellness.com enriched with prebiotics. I as well blend a drink every morning for the kids and myself which contains: 2 cups Aloe Vera Liquid, 1 cup organic pear juice, 1 cup organic pineapple juice, 2 scoops of Harmonized Vegan Protein by Proventive Nutrition, a big handful of a dark green leafy vegetable (kale, spinach, broccoli, green beans,whatever I have available) 1/2 -1 cup of organic blueberries, a few cubes of ice and blend. I blend instead of juice as that way you get the whole food product including pulp and that way it slows down the insulin response due to sugar release and the fiber will increase healthy bowel movements. Just play around with the recipe til your child gets used to the different taste. It really is like a multi vitamin/mineral in a blender.

Enjoy, and good for you for taking the time to give your child optimal nutrition.

Wanda

Re: supplements

First let me say I have never personally used this product but I feel the need to comment. Some of the ingredients in the product can be toxic if not "diluted" properly, but they are used in a lot of homeopathic meds. There is one ingredient that is an "unknown". Nobody seems to know what it is and the makers of the product won't explain. I would be bothered by this, as I worry about how things will interact w/ prescribed meds, how it will affect my child's body (liver, pancreas, heart, etc.)and overall safety.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of things on the web that also show an opposite view of this product. Stating it is "a waste of money" or it is "not at all effective". There are also many that talk about fraudulent billing practices. My personal feeling is that if you fed your kid V8 or a very nutritious well balanced diet with a multi-vitamin or vitamin supplements, you might see the same result at a lower cost. We all want desperately to see positive results with our children, and many of us will spend a lot of time and money to get a good result. Unfortunately there are some who will prey on the parents of the disabled or people who are desperately seeking help for their children. I think we all just need to make a determination for ourselves if whatever we try or use is within our budget, is worth trying, and if it is safe for our child. If it doesn't work, gets too expensive for our budget, or becomes a health hazard, we can stop using it.

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