Re: please don't post full text of articles / OT

[Guest guest]

For some fascinating reading on this topic, try http://fairuse.stanford.edu/web_resources/articles.html. http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm is particularly applicable

Yahoo's policy is available at http://info.yahoo.com/copyright/details.html

The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of authors, but " [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. " To this end, copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information conveyed by a work. This result is neither unfair nor unfortunate. It is the means by which copyright advances the progress of science and art.

—Justice Day O'Connor, Feist Publications Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 US 340, 349(1991)

From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/CopySof.htm

Fair Use. Even with that in mind, there are further limits to copyright. For example, partial or limited reproduction of another's work may be permitted under the doctrine of fair use. This doctrine is especially liberal where the use advances public interests such as education or scholarship and specifically permits making a backup copy of a program. Further, sellers of utility software, such as clip art or programming libraries, should permit hassle-free distribution of non-competing works created by licensed users. [Programmers should seriously consider not acquiring utility software from publishers who assert additional rights.] Beyond fair use, still more fundamental limits to copyright protection should be considered.

From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm (Professor G. Field " Copyright on the Internet " )

Fair use.

Fair use is one of the most important, and least clear cut, limits to copyright. It permits some use of others' works even without approval. But when? Words like " fair " or " reasonable " cannot be precisely defined, but here are a few benchmarks.

Uses that advance public interests such as criticism, education or scholarship are favored -- particularly if little of another's work is copied. Uses that generate income or interfere with a copyright owner's income are not. Fairness also means crediting original artists or authors. (A teacher who copied, without credit, much of another's course materials was found to infringe.)

Commercial uses of another's work are also disfavored. For example, anyone who uses, without explicit permission, others' work to suggest that they endorse some commercial product is asking for trouble! Yet, not all commercial uses are forbidden. Most magazines and newspapers are operated for profit; that they are not automatically precluded from fair use has been made clear by the U.S. Supreme Court.

It's hard to imagine how anyone here is benefiting commercially by posting articles, but we're all clearly being educated (well, I am anyway).

Just to further complicate things, there is some question whether it's even permissible to use links!

********** Let's get back on topic, please. *********

Arne

[Guest guest]

Interesting links. Thanks.

Though we are all being educated here, an online forum is not what is

meant by " education. It refers to classroom use (for example, a

schoolteacher can photocopy articles for a class, in limited quantities).

I agree, we should get back on topic. Like I said earlier, there is

nothing here to debate.

>

> For some fascinating reading on this topic, try

> http://fairuse.stanford.edu/web_resources/articles.html.

> http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm is particularly applicable

>

> Yahoo's policy is available at

http://info.yahoo.com/copyright/details.html

>

> The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of

authors,

> but " [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. " To this end,

> copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but

> encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information

conveyed by

> a work. This result is neither unfair nor unfortunate. It is the

means by

> which copyright advances the progress of science and art.

> -Justice Day O'Connor, Feist Publications Inc. v. Rural

> Telephone Service Co., 499 US 340, 349(1991)

>

> From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/CopySof.htm

>

> Fair Use. Even with that in mind, there are further limits to

copyright. For

> example, partial or limited reproduction of another's work may be

permitted

> under the doctrine of fair use. This doctrine is especially liberal

where

> the use advances public interests such as education or scholarship and

> specifically permits making a backup copy of a program. Further,

sellers of

> utility software, such as clip art or programming libraries, should

permit

> hassle-free distribution of non-competing works created by licensed

users.

> [Programmers should seriously consider not acquiring utility

software from

> publishers who assert additional rights.] Beyond fair use, still more

> fundamental limits to copyright protection should be considered.

>

> From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm (Professor G. Field

> " Copyright on the Internet " )

>

> Fair use.

> Fair use is one of the most important, and least clear cut, limits to

> copyright. It permits some use of others' works even without

approval. But

> when? Words like " fair " or " reasonable " cannot be precisely defined, but

> here are a few benchmarks.

>

> Uses that advance public interests such as criticism, education or

> scholarship are favored -- particularly if little of another's work is

> copied. Uses that generate income or interfere with a copyright owner's

> income are not. Fairness also means crediting original artists or

authors.

> (A teacher who copied, without credit, much of another's course

materials

> was found to infringe.)

>

> Commercial uses of another's work are also disfavored. For example,

anyone

> who uses, without explicit permission, others' work to suggest that they

> endorse some commercial product is asking for trouble! Yet, not all

> commercial uses are forbidden. Most magazines and newspapers are

operated

> for profit; that they are not automatically precluded from fair use

has been

> made clear by the U.S. Supreme Court.

>

> It's hard to imagine how anyone here is benefiting commercially by

posting

> articles, but we're all clearly being educated (well, I am anyway).

>

> Just to further complicate things, there is some question whether

it's even

> permissible to use links!

>

>

> ********** Let's get back on topic, please. *********

>

>

> Arne

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if we contacted a typical source of one of these articles how much they would charge us to post these articles in our small group. I suspect they might rather grant us this right yearly rather than risk bad press if it gets out they are gouging this small group of sick people, which need the funds to cover the cost of expensive drugs.

Ian (51) PSC 89

Interesting links. Thanks.Though we are all being educated here, an online forum is not what ismeant by " education. It refers to classroom use (for example, aschoolteacher can photocopy articles for a class, in limited quantities).

I agree, we should get back on topic. Like I said earlier, there isnothing here to debate.

>> For some fascinating reading on this topic, try> http://fairuse.stanford.edu/web_resources/articles.html.

> http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm is particularly applicable> > Yahoo's policy is available at

http://info.yahoo.com/copyright/details.html> > The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of

authors,> but " [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. " To this end,> copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but> encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information

conveyed by> a work. This result is neither unfair nor unfortunate. It is themeans by> which copyright advances the progress of science and art.> -Justice Day O'Connor, Feist Publications Inc. v. Rural

> Telephone Service Co., 499 US 340, 349(1991) > > From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/CopySof.htm

> > Fair Use. Even with that in mind, there are further limits tocopyright. For> example, partial or limited reproduction of another's work may bepermitted> under the doctrine of fair use. This doctrine is especially liberal

where> the use advances public interests such as education or scholarship and> specifically permits making a backup copy of a program. Further,sellers of> utility software, such as clip art or programming libraries, should

permit> hassle-free distribution of non-competing works created by licensedusers.> [Programmers should seriously consider not acquiring utilitysoftware from> publishers who assert additional rights.] Beyond fair use, still more

> fundamental limits to copyright protection should be considered.> > From http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/cOpyNet.htm

(Professor G. Field> " Copyright on the Internet " )> > Fair use.> Fair use is one of the most important, and least clear cut, limits to> copyright. It permits some use of others' works even without

approval. But> when? Words like " fair " or " reasonable " cannot be precisely defined, but> here are a few benchmarks.> > Uses that advance public interests such as criticism, education or

> scholarship are favored -- particularly if little of another's work is> copied. Uses that generate income or interfere with a copyright owner's> income are not. Fairness also means crediting original artists or

authors.> (A teacher who copied, without credit, much of another's coursematerials> was found to infringe.)> > Commercial uses of another's work are also disfavored. For example,

anyone> who uses, without explicit permission, others' work to suggest that they> endorse some commercial product is asking for trouble! Yet, not all> commercial uses are forbidden. Most magazines and newspapers are

operated> for profit; that they are not automatically precluded from fair usehas been> made clear by the U.S. Supreme Court.> > It's hard to imagine how anyone here is benefiting commercially by

posting> articles, but we're all clearly being educated (well, I am anyway).> > Just to further complicate things, there is some question whetherit's even> permissible to use links!

> > > ********** Let's get back on topic, please. *********> > > Arne>

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.