Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like the cod liver oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 It is. Most hepatologists would advise PSC patients to take supplements for vitamins A, D, E and K. I am no doctor, but liver oil does not sound like a good idea. My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. Regards, Chaim Boermeester From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jyniffrec Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 04:04 To: Subject: Vitamin A Metabolism Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like the cod liver oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 WOW--- I didn't know that about eating liver..I love calf's liver I don't eat it much any more.(.I must have ate a calf with PSC LOL.) .My Dr said just a good multi vitamin is fine thanks JeanneChaim Boermeester wrote: It is. Most hepatologists would advise PSC patients to take supplements for vitamins A, D, E and K. I am no doctor, but liver oil does not sound like a good idea. My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. Regards, Chaim Boermeester From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jyniffrecSent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 04:04To: Subject: Vitamin A Metabolism Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult tometabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is agood choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems withmetabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found withit and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This isweighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects ofthe combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seemslike it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in themeantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushingfish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't likethe cod liver oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'd assume that the prohibition vs. liver would not include fish oil? I'm vegetarian, but have given in to the advice (found hear) that the omega 3 benefits of Fish oil (v.s flaxseed & other Veg. sources) outweight my self-imposed prohibition on animal products. Washington , DC > It is. Most hepatologists would advise PSC patients to take supplements for vitamins A, D, E and K. I am no doctor, but liver oil does not sound like a good idea. My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. > > Regards, > > Chaim Boermeester > > > --------------------------------- > > From: [mailto:psc- support ] On Behalf Of jyniffrec > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 04:04 > To: > Subject: Vitamin A Metabolism > > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to > metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a > good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with > metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with > it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is > weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of > the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems > like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the > meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing > fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like > the cod liver oil. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Fish oil is not a problem. Cod LIVER oil would be, if I understand the instructions my hep. gave me. Chaim, Israel From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 16:53 To: Subject: Re: Vitamin A Metabolism I'd assume that the prohibition vs. liver would not include fish oil? I'm vegetarian, but have given in to the advice (found hear) that the omega 3 benefits of Fish oil (v.s flaxseed & other Veg. sources) outweight my self-imposed prohibition on animal products. Washington , DC > It is. Most hepatologists would advise PSC patients to take supplements for vitamins A, D, E and K. I am no doctor, but liver oil does not sound like a good idea. My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. > > Regards, > > Chaim Boermeester > > > --------------------------------- > > From: [mailto:psc- support ] On Behalf Of jyniffrec > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 04:04 > To: > Subject: Vitamin A Metabolism > > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to > metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a > good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with > metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with > it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is > weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of > the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems > like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the > meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing > fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like > the cod liver oil. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks! Washignton, DC > > It is. Most hepatologists would advise PSC patients > to take supplements for vitamins A, D, E and K. I am no doctor, but > liver oil does not sound like a good idea. My hepatologist told me > not to consume any internal organs of any animal (or products > thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of > waste products and toxins. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chaim Boermeester > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > From: @ <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:psc- > support@yahoogroups <mailto:support%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf Of > jyniffrec > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 04:04 > > To: @ <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Vitamin A Metabolism > > > > > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it > difficult to > > metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil > is a > > good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with > > metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found > with > > it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is > > weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of > > the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems > > like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the > > meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing > > fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't > like > > the cod liver oil. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I am a vegan, so I get my Omega 3's from hemp and from tahini...I think those two have the same amount of omega 3's in them...but, check on that, I might be wrong. I'm pretty sure, though. Just a suggestion if you're wanting a non-animal product source of omega 3's. Vitamin A Metabolism> > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to> metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a> good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with> metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with> it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is> weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of> the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems> like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the> meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing> fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like> the cod liver oil.> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Walnuts are a source of omega 3 too, if I remember well. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bienz Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 18:44 To: Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin A Metabolism I am a vegan, so I get my Omega 3's from hemp and from tahini...I think those two have the same amount of omega 3's in them...but, check on that, I might be wrong. I'm pretty sure, though. Just a suggestion if you're wanting a non-animal product source of omega 3's. Vitamin A Metabolism > > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to > metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a > good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Problems with > metabolizing vitamin A is the only potential problem I have found with > it and the benefits seem like they could be enormous. This is > weighing on my mind lately because of the potential side effects of > the combination of drugs that Pearl is on. The cod liver oil seems > like it may be able to combat them. I am giving it to her in the > meantime, but her GI doctor isn't happy about it. He keeps pushing > fish oil instead, but hasn't given a clear reason why he doesn't like > the cod liver oil. > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Hi Chaim > My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any > animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. Makes perfect sense to me. I've never been a fan of organ meat of any description: Steak & kidney pie, liver, etc. There's something just not right chewing on a squishy piece of rubbery substance that formerly cleared out the toxins that the animal consumed. [i won't even get into the debate on vegetarianism since I'm still a carnivore. ] Now I can simply say " it's not recommended " because of the PSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 , It is not recommended when you are trying to loose weight either, internal organs are in general fatty. In addition, there is a lot of cholesterol in liver. Regards, Chaim Boermeester, Israel From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 17:06 To: Subject: Re: Vitamin A Metabolism Hi Chaim > My hepatologist told me not to consume any internal organs of any > animal (or products thereof), and specifically not liver, since it contains a lot of waste products and toxins. Makes perfect sense to me. I've never been a fan of organ meat of any description: Steak & kidney pie, liver, etc. There's something just not right chewing on a squishy piece of rubbery substance that formerly cleared out the toxins that the animal consumed. [i won't even get into the debate on vegetarianism since I'm still a carnivore. ] Now I can simply say " it's not recommended " because of the PSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Hi and ; Inflammatory bowel disease and PSC both are associated with fat soluble vitamin deficiencies, particularly vitamins A, D, E and K. So it is often recommended that PSCers are checked for their vitamin levels and supplemented accordingly. Fish oils tend to be rich in the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), which have numerous anti- inflammatory actions. Some of the health benefits of fish oils are described in this article: Practical Applications of Fish Oil (Omega-3 Fatty Acids) in Primary Care Oh The Journal of the American Board of Family Practice 18:28-36 (2005) http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/18/1/28 As I understand it, fish oils are generally low in vitamin A and vitamin D, but typically come with vitamin E included to prevent oxidation of the fish oils. If you are taking fish oils, you would likely also have to take vitamin A and vitamin D. The fact that fish oils are low in vitamin D was noted in this correspondence about the above article: Fish Oil versus Cod Liver Oil: Is Vitamin D a Reason to Go Back to the Future Celia M. Ross The Journal of the American Board of Family Practice 18:445-446 (2005) http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/18/5/445-b In this letter, Celia Ross suugests that cod liver oil (which is quite rich in vitamin D) would be a better source of omega-3 fatty acids! But Oh (in his reply to the above correspondence) counters that cod liver oil tends to have lower amount of EPA and DHA than fish oil, and has very high levels of vitamin A .... perhaps too high ... and could even become toxic if you are trying to take enough cod liver oil to achieve high intake levels of EPA + DHA: http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/18/5/446 The potential problem of vitamin A toxicity associated with routine cod liver oil ingestion might be what Pearl Ann's doctor is concerned about. It would be good to check the labels on the products to see what they contain, and to guage their purity. Our son takes Carlson's Super Omega-3 because these capsules contain oils that are of high purity, and have been tested to be free of toxic contaminants such as mercury, PCB's and other contaminants. http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_detail.phtml?prodid=10012879 If the prduct you are using doesn't say whether it has been tested for these contaminants, then find another one that can guarantee purity. Our son takes a separate vitamin supplement (Centrum Silver), for his daily allowance of vitamin A, D, etc. Best regards, Dave R. > > Does anyone know if PSC is a liver disease that makes it difficult to > metabolize vitamin A? I am trying to figure out if cod liver oil is a > good choice for a supplement for Pearl Ann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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