Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Hello everyone, I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks, Samira Zand M.A. Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 We have been on Diflucan for a few months and have seen great results in conjunction with other biomedical therapies (anti-virals,GSH, probitiocs, MB12 shots etc) I would tell the mom to do it under the care of a DAN Dr. and she needs to have testing done every 6-8 weeks to make sure the liver is functioning well on it. It is a rare side effect but needs to be monitored by a Dr. There are lots of boards on yahoo that she can join and read what other parents are doing biomedically like " mb12valtrex " group and " ambd " group. She should probably also get a urine and stool test before to see if he has yeast, although that does not necessarily mean he doesn't have it or that he won't be a responder. Shiri > > Hello everyone, > > I¹m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was > your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother¹s is considering it for her > 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. > > Many thanks, > > Samira Zand M.A. > Certified Tomatis Consultant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Any antifungal will initially get the yeast out of the blood but eventually it ends up in the tissue and comes back with a vengeance four or five months down the road and you are back a square one. Plus the liver needs to be monitored. Better to use probiotics and other natural substances to eliminate yeast. CLO2 is very effective - chlorine dioxide www.crownwellness.com Hello everyone,I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks,Samira Zand M.A.Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 One of the dangerous side effects of this, is that it totally can screw up your blood sugars leading to life-threatening hypogycymia. It's a great med if you have a yeast infection; too dangerous to use for anything else. Re: Diflucan We have been on Diflucan for a few months and have seen great results in conjunction with other biomedical therapies (anti-virals,GSH, probitiocs, MB12 shots etc) I would tell the mom to do it under the care of a DAN Dr. and she needs to have testing done every 6-8 weeks to make sure the liver is functioning well on it. It is a rare side effect but needs to be monitored by a Dr. There are lots of boards on yahoo that she can join and read what other parents are doing biomedically like "mb12valtrex" group and "ambd" group. She should probably also get a urine and stool test before to see if he has yeast, although that does not necessarily mean he doesn't have it or that he won't be a responder. Shiri > > Hello everyone, > > I¹m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was > your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother¹s is considering it for her > 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. > > Many thanks, > > Samira Zand M.A. > Certified Tomatis Consultant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 My son used Diflucan and Zovirax at the beginning of the DAN treatment. It help to the gastrointestinal problems. Sent from my iPhone Hello everyone, I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks, Samira Zand M.A. Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I agree with another post who indicated the child should be under the care and supervision of a DAN doctor and perhaps the pediatrician should be informed as well. My son took Nystatin for about 6 months initially. Then, he took Diflucan for a few months as I recall and we monitored with blood work. He doesn't take any yeast meds for long periods of time any longer. Now, about once every 3-4 months we see the behaviors associated with the yeast returning and he'll take a stronger one (Keto-something or other) for about 2 weeks. We generally will administer that along with Flagyl, an antibiotic (for Clostridia which he also tends to get, along with the yeast), or if he is prescribed an antibiotic (to keep additional yeast away). Within 3-5 days, we see a significant decrease in yeast/bacteria behaviors such as night wakings (only does this when yeast/clostridia is high), rigidity, perseverative behaviors, ocd behaviors and tics. It doesn't "cure" him but definitely we have seen observable changes (and so have others who deal with him) consistently when he has high yeast/clostridia and within days of treatment. We try to manage with diet and probiotics but only lasts for so long. From: Samira Zand Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:01 AM To: sList Subject: Diflucan Hello everyone,I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks,Samira Zand M.A.Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 It's my understanding that the yeast builds up in the digestive tract. If yeast were to reach the blood, that would be considered a systemic infection and the individual would die. It also seems reasonable that the same would happen if yeast was in the tissue. Speaking of yeast overgrowth, there was an article about it in a mainstream magazine, Women First or something like that. It's usually in the Publix magazine display rack at check-out. From: badillo9@... Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:55 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan Any antifungal will initially get the yeast out of the blood but eventually it ends up in the tissue and comes back with a vengeance four or five months down the road and you are back a square one. Plus the liver needs to be monitored. Better to use probiotics and other natural substances to eliminate yeast. CLO2 is very effective - chlorine dioxide www.crownwellness.com Hello everyone,I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks,Samira Zand M.A.Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 It is prescribed for yeast... From: DAC@... Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:01 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Re: Diflucan One of the dangerous side effects of this, is that it totally can screw up your blood sugars leading to life-threatening hypogycymia. It's a great med if you have a yeast infection; too dangerous to use for anything else. Re: Diflucan We have been on Diflucan for a few months and have seen great results in conjunction with other biomedical therapies (anti-virals,GSH, probitiocs, MB12 shots etc) I would tell the mom to do it under the care of a DAN Dr. and she needs to have testing done every 6-8 weeks to make sure the liver is functioning well on it. It is a rare side effect but needs to be monitored by a Dr. There are lots of boards on yahoo that she can join and read what other parents are doing biomedically like "mb12valtrex" group and "ambd" group. She should probably also get a urine and stool test before to see if he has yeast, although that does not necessarily mean he doesn't have it or that he won't be a responder. Shiri>> Hello everyone,> > I¹m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was> your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother¹s is considering it for her> 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process.> > Many thanks,> > Samira Zand M.A.> Certified Tomatis Consultant> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 You DO NOT DIE FROM YEAST OVERGOWTH...we'd have a lot of dead children on the autism spectrum. Yeast grows because of lack of oxygen because the cells are in an unhealthy state. EVERYONE has yeast..it's just a control amount; when it's systemic which means it's everywhere you have more issue - especially affecting the brain - foggy brain. Yeast in the tissue is what happens when the yeast is systemic. HBOT - hyperbaric oxygen treatments helps get the systemic yeast in the tissue down as well but it is never to the point that someone's life is in danger. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. It's my understanding that the yeast builds up in the digestive tract. If yeast were to reach the blood, that would be considered a systemic infection and the individual would die. It also seems reasonable that the same would happen if yeast was in the tissue. Speaking of yeast overgrowth, there was an article about it in a mainstream magazine, Women First or something like that. It's usually in the Publix magazine display rack at check-out. From: badillo9@... Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:55 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan Any antifungal will initially get the yeast out of the blood but eventually it ends up in the tissue and comes back with a vengeance four or five months down the road and you are back a square one. Plus the liver needs to be monitored. Better to use probiotics and other natural substances to eliminate yeast. CLO2 is very effective - chlorine dioxide www.crownwellness.com Hello everyone,I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks,Samira Zand M.A.Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Yes and I said What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. and the article says: Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. It's life threatening ONLY if there's an autoimmune disorder involved. But before that happens it has to be long term building up and not addressed for years. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 In your post below, you indicated the yeast gets into the blood and tissue, correct? http://www.emedicinehealth.com/candidiasis_yeast_infection/article_em.htm Rarely, the yeast infection may spread throughout the body. In systemic candidal disease (in which the fungus enters the bloodstream and spreads throughout the body), up to 45% of people may die. Even common mouth and vaginal yeast infections can cause critical illness and can be more resistant to normal treatment. Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. That is all I was pointing out... The yeast our children often get is often referred to as "systemic," however, it is located in the digestive system. The toxins it produces are what theoretically get out and adversely affect other areas of the body. It is important that when we are discussing biomedical treatments or anything medical related to autism, that we present as accurate information as possible. People already believe we are out of our minds. It's important that we know how to read research and interpret it and cite it. Regarding yeast, it is not yet accepted by mainstream medical practitioners, it is still just a theory. One to be explored but not recognized fully. I say all of this because when I initially heard about yeast, I went to my pediatrician and said, "my son has yeast in his blood, a systemic yeast infection." She thought I was crazy (and not too smart either I'm sure) because she indicated that if this were true, he'd be very ill and likely die. I would like to save another parent from this type of situation by them having as accurate of info as available. From: badillo9@... Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:23 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan You DO NOT DIE FROM YEAST OVERGOWTH...we'd have a lot of dead children on the autism spectrum. Yeast grows because of lack of oxygen because the cells are in an unhealthy state. EVERYONE has yeast..it's just a control amount; when it's systemic which means it's everywhere you have more issue - especially affecting the brain - foggy brain. Yeast in the tissue is what happens when the yeast is systemic. HBOT - hyperbaric oxygen treatments helps get the systemic yeast in the tissue down as well but it is never to the point that someone's life is in danger. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. It's my understanding that the yeast builds up in the digestive tract. If yeast were to reach the blood, that would be considered a systemic infection and the individual would die. It also seems reasonable that the same would happen if yeast was in the tissue. Speaking of yeast overgrowth, there was an article about it in a mainstream magazine, Women First or something like that. It's usually in the Publix magazine display rack at check-out. From: badillo9@... Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:55 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan Any antifungal will initially get the yeast out of the blood but eventually it ends up in the tissue and comes back with a vengeance four or five months down the road and you are back a square one. Plus the liver needs to be monitored. Better to use probiotics and other natural substances to eliminate yeast. CLO2 is very effective - chlorine dioxide www.crownwellness.com Hello everyone,I’m wondering if anyone has put their child on Diflucan and if so what was your experience/opinion etc.? One of my mother’s is considering it for her 5 year old son and would really appreciate your feedback in this process. Many thanks,Samira Zand M.A.Certified Tomatis Consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 What you are saying is still inaccurate. It's not ONLY if the individual has an autoimmune d/o. It could feasibly happen to anyone. Again, the yeast in our digestive system and the toxins it allegedly produces is still just theoretical. Sent from my iPhone Yes and I said What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. and the article says: Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. It's life threatening ONLY if there's an autoimmune disorder involved. But before that happens it has to be long term building up and not addressed for years. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 You overlooked that I did say that yeast could happen to anyone...In my original email I stated that Yeast was a control factor in everyone...everyone has yeast...it just depends how well you control your yeast levels. People with autoimmune disorders tend to have systemic yeast because autoimmunity means that the a persons cells are attacking one another creating foreign antibodies which leads to the leaky gut syndrome. When you have the leaky gut syndrome you have a significant level of yeast overgrowth and Candida. Yeast doesn't produce toxins it is CAUSED by toxins - like a shower cut off from oxygen will build mildew and fungus...does the same thing in your body if your cells do not get enough oxygen because of toxic matter, then the environment in which the cells live becomes a toxic environment breading yeast, fungus, pathogens, viruses, bacteria etc. This is why it is important to keep the red blood cells healthy. If you have an opportunity to see a live blood cell analysis with a Light Field microscopy you'll actually see this on a monitor. Then it won't just be theoretical for you. What you are saying is still inaccurate. It's not ONLY if the individual has an autoimmune d/o. It could feasibly happen to anyone. Again, the yeast in our digestive system and the toxins it allegedly produces is still just theoretical. Sent from my iPhone Yes and I said What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. and the article says: Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. It's life threatening ONLY if there's an autoimmune disorder involved. But before that happens it has to be long term building up and not addressed for years. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 this is the last post on this topic....Moderator Well, I agree with you that this understanding of yeast and Candida, and leaky gut is a poorly understood concept in Western Medicine. However, you as a parent make well informed choices to help your child (and of course the proof is in the pudding), but you don't stand alone with biomedical autism. I don't know how old your child is but my is 19 and I remember very clearly being sternly told by an autism researcher at an autism conference in 1994 at Pace University in NY that there was "no such thing as yeast in the blood and what an outrageous concept I was telling him" The researchers also said at the finale of this conference that they had no answers for parents and there wouldn't be any answers for at least 20 years. It was very reassuring to hear the experts tell a room full of autism parents such encouraging information! A couple of years later I tried to get Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments (for my son's yeastovergrowth) at the only hospital with chambers at that time in NY and they told me I was crazy to think my child had yeast and they refused to treat autism. In fact only Florida and California at that time would agree to treat autism with HBOT....so I moved my family to Florida. In fact my husband still commutes back and forth from NYC so he can keep his job. Yes parents of children with autism have always taken a beating because our kids fall through the cracks and don't fit into the Western Medicine paradigm. But it's your kid and you have to deal with it, so we all just need to follow our gut feeling for our child (ren)when choosing treatments. Most parents seem to know what their child needs best because they know their child the best. I'm not saying I disagree with the yeast theory, I've treated my son for it. In fact he's taking meds right now and we manage his diet the best we can. I should probably treat myself for it after all I've learned. It's not mainstream knowledge though and not recognized by mainstream medical communities is what I'm saying. And, it's important to be accurate interpreters of research and to report accurately. I cannot tell you how many people think parents who use biomedical interventions are nuts and when they (parents) cannot report accurately or attempt to cite cause/effect when there was nothing to substantiate that citation or conclusion, we further perpetuate people believing us to be quacks. That is all I'm saying in that regard. From: badillo9@... Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:00 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan You overlooked that I did say that yeast could happen to anyone...In my original email I stated that Yeast was a control factor in everyone...everyone has yeast...it just depends how well you control your yeast levels. People with autoimmune disorders tend to have systemic yeast because autoimmunity means that the a persons cells are attacking one another creating foreign antibodies which leads to the leaky gut syndrome. When you have the leaky gut syndrome you have a significant level of yeast overgrowth and Candida. Yeast doesn't produce toxins it is CAUSED by toxins - like a shower cut off from oxygen will build mildew and fungus...does the same thing in your body if your cells do not get enough oxygen because of toxic matter, then the environment in which the cells live becomes a toxic environment breading yeast, fungus, pathogens, viruses, bacteria etc. This is why it is important to keep the red blood cells healthy. If you have an opportunity to see a live blood cell analysis with a Light Field microscopy you'll actually see this on a monitor. Then it won't just be theoretical for you. What you are saying is still inaccurate. It's not ONLY if the individual has an autoimmune d/o. It could feasibly happen to anyone. Again, the yeast in our digestive system and the toxins it allegedly produces is still just theoretical. Sent from my iPhone Yes and I said What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. and the article says: Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. It's life threatening ONLY if there's an autoimmune disorder involved. But before that happens it has to be long term building up and not addressed for years. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I'm not saying I disagree with the yeast theory, I've treated my son for it. In fact he's taking meds right now and we manage his diet the best we can. I should probably treat myself for it after all I've learned. It's not mainstream knowledge though and not recognized by mainstream medical communities is what I'm saying. And, it's important to be accurate interpreters of research and to report accurately. I cannot tell you how many people think parents who use biomedical interventions are nuts and when they (parents) cannot report accurately or attempt to cite cause/effect when there was nothing to substantiate that citation or conclusion, we further perpetuate people believing us to be quacks. That is all I'm saying in that regard. From: badillo9@... Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:00 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Diflucan You overlooked that I did say that yeast could happen to anyone...In my original email I stated that Yeast was a control factor in everyone...everyone has yeast...it just depends how well you control your yeast levels. People with autoimmune disorders tend to have systemic yeast because autoimmunity means that the a persons cells are attacking one another creating foreign antibodies which leads to the leaky gut syndrome. When you have the leaky gut syndrome you have a significant level of yeast overgrowth and Candida. Yeast doesn't produce toxins it is CAUSED by toxins - like a shower cut off from oxygen will build mildew and fungus...does the same thing in your body if your cells do not get enough oxygen because of toxic matter, then the environment in which the cells live becomes a toxic environment breading yeast, fungus, pathogens, viruses, bacteria etc. This is why it is important to keep the red blood cells healthy. If you have an opportunity to see a live blood cell analysis with a Light Field microscopy you'll actually see this on a monitor. Then it won't just be theoretical for you. What you are saying is still inaccurate. It's not ONLY if the individual has an autoimmune d/o. It could feasibly happen to anyone. Again, the yeast in our digestive system and the toxins it allegedly produces is still just theoretical. Sent from my iPhone Yes and I said What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. and the article says: Yeast infections that return may be a sign of more serious diseases such as diabetes, leukemia, or AIDS. It's life threatening ONLY if there's an autoimmune disorder involved. But before that happens it has to be long term building up and not addressed for years. What can happen is it's breeds all kinds of autoimmune disorders which can be dangerous if the disorder is life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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