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Listmates,

Since my daughter's vitamin D level is so low (15) and some people link

vitamin D deficiency to fibro, how many of you have had vitamin D measured,

and if you did, and started supplementing high dose vitamin D (my

daughter's doctor gave her 50,000 iu's a week), did the vitamin help or did

it make you feel worse? The Marshall Protocol people make it sound like a

bad idea, but in thinking about WHEN in the calendar my daughter does well,

it is when she spends hours in the sun.

Just wondering....

At 03:03 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote:

>One of the things that prompted me to get my daughter diagnosed was

>reading about pediatric FM in the FM Aware magazine. Prior to that, I

>didn't know that children could be diagnosed with it. I remember it said

>that they often do not have all the tender points as children, but

>diagnosing was different for children. I was not in the room with the

>doctor as they examined my daughter, so I can't tell you for sure what

>criteria they used. I think they did do some checking of tender points,

>because of what Allie said later about the exam.

>Jeanne in WI

>

>i did read that this is a diagnosis by those docs familiar with fibro.

>there is also some early form of fibro where not everyone has all the

>tender points, just some of them. i did have a traumatic injury to my leg

>around age 5, and my mom likes to tell me her funny story about my dad

>carrying me(when i was an infant)and a pack of toilet paper up the wooden

>flight of stairs, he dropped us both but caught the toilet paper. not

>surprisingly, i am not fond of my mother, sorry to say. so both injuries

>probably did some suppression to my hypothalmus and

>started all my fibro because i complained to my mom at age 11 that i was

>always tired and sleep never refreshed me, never and still never does. so

>after i read one book on how this expert ties all these things together,

>my horrible fibro life makes sense, at least, eventho i have

>and continue to sleep it all away.

>take care,

>marg

>

>

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, I don't know how low my level was after my last bloodwork, it was below

normal, but I was told by my doctor to make sure I was getting at least 2000 iu

each day.

Jeanne in WI

Listmates,

Since my daughter's vitamin D level is so low (15) and some people link

vitamin D deficiency to fibro, how many of you have had vitamin D measured,

and if you did, and started supplementing high dose vitamin D (my daughter's

doctor gave her 50,000 iu's a week), did the vitamin help or did it make you

feel worse? The Marshall Protocol people make it sound like a bad idea, but in

thinking about WHEN in the calendar my daughter does well, it is when she spends

hours in the sun.

Just wondering....

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asked:

>

> Since my daughter's vitamin D level is so low (15) and some

> people link vitamin D deficiency to fibro, how many of you have had

> vitamin D measured,

> and if you did, and started supplementing high dose vitamin D (my

> daughter's doctor gave her 50,000 iu's a week), did the vitamin

> help or did it make you feel worse? The Marshall Protocol people

> make it sound like a bad idea, but in thinking about WHEN in the

> calendar my daughter does well, it is when she spends hours in the

> sun.

I don't know what the Marshall Protocol is, but as a weight loss

surgery patient (I had a duodenal switch), my supplement needs are

different from the normal population. I take 15,000 iu of dry

Vitamin D per day. Dry is because with a DS, I don't absorb fats

normally.

High doses of Vitamin D should be done under a doc's care and

according to labs.

I don't really notice a difference, but then my level has never gone

super-low, and I maintain constant levels of supplementation with

yearly labs. But I've noticed that I do like to sit in my sunroom

during sunny days, and (since my new knees) I like to be outside on

sunny days, working in my yard.

Z

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You said:

>I don't know what the Marshall Protocol is, but as a weight loss

>surgery patient (I had a duodenal switch), my supplement needs are

>different from the normal population. I take 15,000 iu of dry

>Vitamin D per day. Dry is because with a DS, I don't absorb fats

>normally.

Have you been on that protocol since the beginning, or did they detect a

problem developing after your surgery and corrected with the vitamin

D? What did the supplement change for you? (I'm so anxious to know

because of my daughter's prescription. Of course, if you are getting

15,000 iu daily, that is more than her 50,000 iu weekly.) I'm trying her

on her second dose tonight and am praying she does OK tomorrow. This

morning she was in too much pain to get out of bed to take her SAT exam,

and that broke my heart, but her week had been terrible with a lot of

deadlines and missed sleep. I wish I had known that would be happening

when we scheduled her to take the exam!

Vitamin D does increase the absorption of oxalate and so does fat

malabsorption.

Has your dietician mentioned a need for you to be on a reduced oxalate

diet? Those with poor fat digestion are prime candidates for

hyperabsorption of oxalate. Oxalate getting into the rest of your body

after being absorbed in excess in the colon might be related to your pain,

perhaps. I'll put some articles below about the connection between fat

maldigestion and hyperabsorption of oxalate. This isn't obscure literature.

There is a lot " out there " on this connection, but not much published on

the pain side of the issue. However, you can find mention of pain issues

at this place: http://www.vulvarpainfoundation.org/painproject.htm

It really doesn't seem to matter why someone has fat maldigestion because

there are articles talking about this happening in Crohn's disease, after

bariatric surgery, after bowel surgery for other reasons, after taking

lipase inhibitors...it doesn't matter why. IF someone has fat maldigestion,

they will be absorbing an excess percentage of the oxalate in their diet

which gets to be a problem if the diet is high in oxalates. The question

then becomes, where is it going, and is it causing damage there.

If you want to check out more about the low oxalate diet, please see

www.lowoxalate.info.

1: Am J Kidney Dis. 2007 Jan;49(1):153-7.

Acute oxalate nephropathy associated with orlistat, a gastrointestinal lipase

inhibitor.

Singh A, Sarkar SR, Gaber LW, Perazella MA.

Department of Pathology, University of Tennessee Health Sciences Center,

Memphis,

TN, USA.

Orlistat is an oral inhibitor of gastrointestinal lipase used for weight

reduction in obese patients. Although most adverse drug effects manifest in the

gastrointestinal tract, this is the first reported case of orlistat-induced

acute

kidney injury secondary to acute oxalate nephropathy in a white woman with

underlying chronic kidney disease. Acute kidney injury was associated

temporally

with an increased dose of orlistat and the development of increased fat

malabsorption (more frequent loose oily stools). Urine sediment showed abundant

calcium oxalate crystals and increased 24-hour urine oxalate concentration.

Kidney biopsy showed deposition of calcium oxalate crystals within tubular

lumens, consistent with acute oxalate nephropathy. Orlistat therapy was

discontinued, and oral fluid intake was increased. A second kidney biopsy

performed 1 month later to evaluate the slow resolution of kidney failure

did not

show calcium oxalate crystals within tubules. A steady improvement in renal

function subsequently was observed. Results of a repeated 24-hour urine oxalate

collection performed 3 weeks later when kidney function had improved were

within

normal limits.

Publication Types:

Case Reports

PMID: 17185156 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Kidney Int. 2005 Sep;68(3):1244-9.

Use of a probiotic to decrease enteric hyperoxaluria.

Lieske JC, Goldfarb DS, De Simone C, Regnier C.

Division of Nephrology and Hypertension, Mayo Clinic, Mayo Hyperoxaluria

Center,

and Mayo Complementary and Integrative Medicine Program, Rochester, Minnesota

55905, USA. Lieske.@...

BACKGROUND: Patients with inflammatory bowel disease have a 10- to 100-fold

increased risk of nephrolithiasis, with enteric hyperoxaluria being the major

risk factor for these and other patients with fat malabsorptive states.

Endogenous components of the intestinal microflora can potentially limit

dietary

oxalate absorption. METHODS: Ten patients were studied with chronic fat

malabsorption, calcium oxalate stones, and hyperoxaluria thought to be

caused by

jejunoileal bypass (1) and Roux-en-Y gastric bypass surgery for obesity (4),

dumping syndrome secondary to gastrectomy (2), celiac sprue (1), chronic

pancreatitis (1), and ulcerative colitis in remission (1). For 3 months,

patients

received increasing doses of a lactic acid bacteria mixture (Oxadrop), VSL

Pharmaceuticals), followed by a washout month. Twenty-four-hour urine

collections

were performed at baseline and after each month. RESULTS: Mean urinary oxalate

excretion fell by 19% after 1 month (1 dose per day, P < 0.05), and oxalate

excretion remained reduced by 24% during the second month (2 doses per day, P <

0.05). During the third month on 3 doses per day oxalate excretion increased

slightly, so that the mean was close to the baseline established off treatment.

Urinary oxalate again fell 20% from baseline during the washout period. Calcium

oxalate supersaturation was reduced while on Oxadrop, largely due to the

decrease

in oxalate excretion, although mean changes did not reach statistical

significance. CONCLUSION: Manipulation of gastrointestinal (GI) flora can

influence urinary oxalate excretion to reduce urinary supersaturation levels.

These changes could have a salutary effect on stone formation rates. Further

studies will be needed to establish the optimal dosing regimen.

Publication Types:

Clinical Trial

Research Support, N.I.H., Extramural

Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 16105057 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Kidney Int. 2004 Aug;66(2):676-82.

Erratum in:

Kidney Int. 2004 Sep;66(3):1304. Heiberg, Ita Pfeferman [corrected to

Heilberg,

Ita Pfeferman].

Fat malabsorption induced by gastrointestinal lipase inhibitor leads to an

increase in urinary oxalate excretion.

Ferraz RR, Tiselius HG, Heilberg IP.

Nephrology Division, Universidade Federal de São o, UNIFESP, São o,

Brazil.

BACKGROUND: Unabsorbed fat and bile acids may react with calcium in the

intestinal lumen, limiting the amount of free calcium binding with oxalate and

thereby raising intestinal oxalate absorption leading to hyperoxaluria. The aim

of the present study was to determine whether orlistat (Xenical), a

gastrointestinal lipase inhibitor, might increase urinary oxalate in an

experimental rat model. METHODS: Thirty-nine male adult Wistar rats were fed a

standard diet alone (controls) or supplemented with either 2% sodium oxalate

(NaOx) or 3.2 mL of soy oil, or with both (NaOx + soy oil) for 4 weeks (diet

period). Orlistat (16 mg/day) was added to the diet from the 5th to the 8th

week

(diet + orlistat period). Urinary oxalate (uOx), calcium (uCa), magnesium

(uMg),

and citrate (uCit) were determined and the ion-activity product of calcium

oxalate [AP (CaOx) index(rat)] was estimated. RESULTS: Compared to baseline uOx

significantly increased after diet + orlistat in controls (0.64 +/- 0.1 mg/24

hours vs. 0.56 +/-0.1 mg/24 hours), soy oil (0.80 +/- 0.3 mg/24 hours vs. 0.49

+/-0.2 mg/24 hours), and NaOx (2.48 +/- 0.8 mg/24 hours vs. 0.57 +/- 0.2 mg/24

hours), but the most marked increase occurred in NaOx + soy oil (3.87 +/- 0.7

mg/24 hours vs. 0.47 +/- 0.1 mg/24 hours). All groups except controls

presented a

significant reduction in uCa and uMg. Orlistat induced a significant

increase in

AP (CaOx) index(rat) compared, respectively, to baseline and to the diet period

in NaOx (4.52 +/- 2.34 mg/24 hours vs. 0.94 +/- 0.86 and 1.53 +/- 0.93 mg/24

hours) and NaOx + soy oil (6.49 +/- 4.03 mg/24 hours vs. 0.54 +/- 0.17 and 1.76

+/- 1.32 mg/24 hours). CONCLUSION: These data suggest that the use of lipase

inhibitors, especially under a diet rich in oxalate alone or associated

with fat,

leads to a significant and marked increase in urinary oxalate and a slight

reduction in uCa and uMg that, taken together, resulted in an increase in AP

(CaOx) index(rat), elevating the risk of stone formation.

Publication Types:

Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

PMID: 15253722 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Am J Kidney Dis. 2003 Jan;41(1):230-7.

Conjugated bile acid replacement therapy reduces urinary oxalate excretion in

short bowel syndrome.

Emmett M, Guirl MJ, Santa Ana CA, Porter JL, Neimark S, Hofmann AF,

Fordtran JS.

Department of Internal Medicine, Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas, TX

75246, USA. m.emmett@...

BACKGROUND: Patients with short bowel syndrome (SBS) have steatorrhea, in part

because of bile acid malabsorption that causes decreased bile acid

secretion into

the duodenum and consequent fat maldigestion. In SBS patients with colon in

continuity, luminal calcium forms calcium fatty acid soaps rather than

precipitating as insoluble calcium oxalate. Soluble oxalate is hyperabsorbed by

the colon leading to hyperoxaluria and an increased risk for renal calcium

oxalate stones and deposits. The authors hypothesized that oral ingestion of

conjugated bile acids would increase fat absorption and thereby decrease

calcium

fatty acid soap formation and oxalate hyperabsorption. METHODS: The effect of

conjugated bile acid replacement therapy (9 g/d) on fecal fat excretion and

urine

oxalate excretion was measured in an appropriate patient, utilizing the

metabolic

balance technique. The effects of chronic bile acid replacement therapy on

oxalate excretion and nutritional status also were measured in a 3-month

outpatient study. RESULTS: Natural conjugated bile acid replacement therapy

reduced fecal fat excretion from 119 to 79 g/d (Delta40 g/d), and urinary

oxalate

excretion from 87 to 64 mg/d (966 to 710 micromol/d; Delta23 mg/d).

Cholylsarcosine, a synthetic conjugated bile acid, had similar but less

powerful

effects. During a 3-month outpatient trial of natural conjugated bile acids (9

g/d), urine oxalate decreased to normal levels (27 mg/d) in association with

weight gain, decreased hunger, and decreased hyperphagia. CONCLUSION:

Conjugated

bile acid replacement therapy reduced fecal fat excretion, reduced urinary

oxalate excretion, and improved nutritional status in a patient with SBS with

colon in continuity, hyperoxaluria, and oxalate nephrolithiasis. Copyright 2003

by the National Kidney Foundation, Inc.

Publication Types:

Case Reports

Comparative Study

Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 12500242 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: J Int Med Res. 1989 Nov-Dec;17(6):526-31.

Urinary oxalate recovery after oral oxalic load: an alternative method to the

quantitative determination of stool fat for the diagnosis of lipid

malabsorption.

Sangaletti O, Petrillo M, Bianchi Porro G.

Gastro-intestinal Unit, L. Sacco Hospital, Milan, Italy.

Urinary oxalate concentrations were measured in 45 patients with quiescent

Crohn's disease, four patients with chronic pancreatitis and five healthy

subjects after a normal oxalate (150 g/day) diet, after a high-fat (150 g/day),

normal oxalate diet and after and after a high-oxalate (500 mg/day) diet.

Urinary

oxalate concentrations were significantly (P less than 0.05) higher in patients

with Crohn's disease and steatorrhoea, but not in those with chronic

pancreatitis, after administrating a high-oxalate diet compared with healthy

subjects. Mean oxalate values were 19.1 mg/24 h in controls compared with 65.8

mg/24 h in Crohn's disease patients. A direct correlation (r = 0.37, P less

than

0.01) was established between faecal rats and urinary oxalate after oval

oxalate

load: this correlation (r = 0.43, P less than 0.01) is closer when only

patients

with Crohn's disease are considered. The study, therefore, confirmed a

correlation between steatorrhoea and hyperoxaluria in patients with Crohn's

disease; however, the high percentage of false positive results limits the

use of

urinary oxalate concentrations as a reliable indicator of lipid

malabsorption. It

is concluded that, at present, measurement of urinary oxalate cannot be

recommended as a valid alternative to the Van de Kamer method for diagnosing

lipid malabsorption.

PMID: 2628129 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

6: Clin Chim Acta. 1984 Dec 29;144(2-3):155-61.

Oxalate-loading tests to screen for steatorrhoea: an appraisal.

PN, Will EJ, Kelleher J, Losowsky MS.

We have evaluated two procedures as screening tests for steatorrhoea:

firstly, a

simplified, two-day, oxalate-loading test and secondly the rate of urinary

oxalate excretion following a single oral dose of oxalate. Following two-day

oxalate loading there was almost complete overlap of the values for 24-h

urinary

oxalate between 15 apparently healthy volunteers and 10 patients with

steatorrhoea. The rate of oxalate excretion following a single dose of oxalate

was increased in one patient with Crohn's disease and ileal resection who had

normal faecal fat excretion, but three patients with steatorrhoea due to other

causes had normal rates of excretion. We conclude that these oxalate-loading

tests are not a useful alternative to faecal fat estimation in patients with

suspected malabsorption.

PMID: 6529853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

7: Dig Dis Sci. 1982 May;27(5):401-5.

Increased risk of nephrolithiasis in patients with steatorrhea.

Dharmsathaphorn K, Freeman DH, Binder HJ, Dobbins JW.

Patients with ileal disease have increased absorption of dietary oxalate,

hyperoxaluria, and an increased incidence of nephrolithiasis. Patients with

steatorrhea of varying etiologies also have hyperoxaluria. To determine whether

steatorrhea per se is associated with nephrolithiasis, we reviewed the

charts of

all adult patients who had a 72-hr fecal fat analysis from 1968 to 1978.

The 159

patients with steatorrhea were compared to 162 patients without

steatorrhea. The

two groups were comparable in age, sex, urine specific gravity, and serum uric

acid and phosphorus; serum calcium was slightly less in the steatorrhea group

(8.7 +/- 0.1 vs 9.0 +/- 0.1, P less than 0.02). Although 19 patients with

steatorrhea had nephrolithiasis compared to 7 control patients (P = 0.01),

15 of

these 19 patients had ileal disease and only 4 of the 118 patients with

steatorrhea but without ileal disease had stones. Categorical data analysis

revealed that steatorrhea, diarrhea (stool weight greater than 225 g/day), male

sex, and ileal disease were significantly associated with nephrolithiasis

with a

relative risk of 3.0, 2.7, 3.1, and 8.0, respectively. When patients without

ileal disease were analyzed separately, however, steatorrhea, diarrhea, and sex

were no longer risk factors. In contrast, in patients with ileal disease the

incidence of nephrolithiasis increased with the severity of steatorrhea. The

relative risk of nephrolithiasis in male patients with ileal disease and fecal

fat greater than 20 g/day was 26.3 (P less than 0.01). Thus, the presence

of both

ileal disease and steatorrhea greatly increases the risk of nephrolithiasis;

however, neither steatorrhea alone nor ileal disease alone are risk factors for

nephrolithiasis.

Publication Types:

Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 7075427 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

8: Urol Int. 1981;36(1):1-9.

Hyperoxaluria in malabsorptive states.

Andersson H, Bosaeus I.

During the last 10 years it has become apparent that hyperoxaluria often is

present in malabsorptive states. This secondary hyperoxaluria could be

explained

by an increased uptake of dietary oxalate due to malabsorption of fatty

acids and

bile salts. Dietary prescriptions, including a low fat diet is advocated in the

treatment of hyperoxaluria in Crohn's disease or after small bowel resection.

Publication Types:

Review

PMID: 7020204 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

9: Gut. 1979 Dec;20(12):1089-94.

Oxalate loading test: a screening test for steatorrhoea.

Rampton DS, Kasidas GP, Rose GA, Sarner M.

To investigate the possibility of measuring urinary oxalate output instead of

faecal fat excretion as an outpatient screening test for steatorrhoea, we

determined 24 hour urinary oxalate and five day faecal fat excretion before and

during an oral load of sodium oxalate 600 mg daily (oxalate 4.44 mmol), in 32

patients with suspected malabsorption on a diet containing oxalate 30 mg (0.33

mmol), fat 50 g (180 mmol), and calcium 1 g (25 mmol). Nineteen patients proved

to have steatorrhoea (mean faecal fat 62 mmol/24 h, range 19--186 mmol) of

varying aetiologies. On the diet alone, urinary oxalate was raised in only nine

of these patients (mean 0.25 mmol/24 h, range 0.08--0.59 mmol) (normal less

than

0.20). By contrast, when the diet was supplemented with oral sodium

oxalate, all

19 patients with steatorrhoea had hyperoxaluria (mean 0.91 mmol/24 h, range

0.46--1.44 mmol) (normal less than 0.44). There was a significant positive

linear

relationship between urinary oxalate and faecal fat when the 32 patients

were on

the high oxalate intake (r = 0.73, P less than 0.001), but not when they

were on

the low oxalate intake. Mean percentage absorption of orally administered

oxalate

was 5.8 +/- 0.99% (+/- 1 SD) in normal subjects and 14.7 +/- 6.0% (P less than

0.002) in patients with steatorrhoea. Measurement of urinary oxalate output

during oral sodium oxalate loading appears to be a reliable and convenient

screening test for steatorrhoea.

PMID: 527884 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

10: Scand J Gastroenterol. 1978;13(5):577-88.

Enteric hyperoxaluria: dependence on small intestinal resection, colectomy, and

steatorrhoea in chronic inflammatory bowel disease.

Hylander E, Jarnum S, Jensen HJ, Thale M.

The importance of intestinal resection, exclusion of the colon, and

steatorrhoea

for secondary hyperoxaluria was studied in 81 patients with Crohn's disease and

12 patients with ileostomy after colectomy for ulcerative colitis during a

metabolic regime including a fixed oral supply of fat, calcium, and oxalate.

Hyperoxaluria (greater than 48 mg (greater than 0.5 mmol) per 24 h) was present

in 21 patients with Crohn's disease. All but one half or more of the colon

preserved. Renal oxalate excretion was related to the amount of ileum resected.

14C-oxalate absorption was significantly higher in patients with ileal

resection

and the whole colon preserved than in patients with ileal resection plus

hemicolectomy, despite the fact that the latter group had the most extensive

ileal resections. Faecal fat and oxalate excretion agreed well in patients

without ileostomy (r = 0.76, p less than 0.001), and renal oxalate

excretion was

significantly higher in patients with steatorrhea and the colon preserved

than in

patients without steatorrhoea. In all 93 patients 14C-oxalate absorption and

renal oxalate excretion was positively correlated with a coefficient of

correlation of 0.76 (p less than 0.001). No correlation was present between

47Ca-

and 14C-oxalate absorption. The study confirm that a preserved colon is

necessary

for secondary hyperoxaluria and stresses the importance of ileal resection and

steatorrhoea.

Publication Types:

Comparative Study

PMID: 705253 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

11: Scand J Gastroenterol. 1978;13(4):423-31.

Standardized ( " trifixed " ) diet in the study of chronic malabsorption syndromes.

Hylander E, Jarnum S, Keldsbo IL, Thale M.

143 patients (70 patients with Crohn's disease, 11 with ulcerative colitis, 40

with an intestinal by-pass operation, 9 with non-tropical sprue, 10 with short

bowel syndrome, and 3 with other gastrointestinal disease) were studied

during a

metabolic regime including a fixed oral supply of 70 g fat, 800 mg calcium, and

200 mg oxalate. Faecal fat, 47Ca-absorption, 14C-oxalate absorption, and renal

oxalate excretion were measured, and in the majority of patients a

14C-glyco-cholic acid breath test was also performed. 14Ca-absorption was

practically identical (r = 0.92), whether determined by whole-body counting or

from the accumulation of absorbed 47Ca in the skeleton of the underarm.

14C-oxalate absorption and renal oxalate excretion agreed well (r = 0.85).

Steatorrhoea correlated weakly with renal oxalate excretion (r = 0.63, p less

than 0.001), whereas no correlation was present between faecal fat and calcium

absorption or between oxalate and calcium absorption under the constant

conditions prevailing during the study. It is recommended that a " trifixed "

regime with absorption studies of fat, calcium, and oxalate be undertaken

previous to therapy that aims at a reduction of steatorrhoea or

hyperoxaluria or

an improvement of calcium absorption in chronic malabsorption syndromes, not

least because therapy of these categories of patients most often continues for

years.

PMID: 675151 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

12: Am J Dig Dis. 1977 Oct;22(10):921-8.

Hyperoxaluria and intestinal disease. The role of steatorrhea and dietary

calcium

in regulating intestinal oxalate absorption.

Stauffer JQ.

Hyperoxaluria was documented in patients with pancreatic insufficiency, adult

celiac disease, regional enteritis after ileectomy and partial colectomy, and

jejunoileal bypass. The degree of hyperoxaluria correlated directly with the

severity of the steatorrhea and inversely with the dietary calcium content.

High-calcium diets suppressed oxalate excretion to normal when fecal fat

excretion was approximately 30 g/day or less. In patients with more severe

steatorrhea, decreasing dietary fat and oxalate content further reduced urinary

oxalate excretion. These data suggest that, while steatorrhea is the most

important determinant for enhanced absorption of dietary oxalate, variations in

dietary calcium content modulate the amount of oxalate absorbed.

Publication Types:

Comparative Study

Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 920694 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

13: Lancet. 1977 Oct 1;2(8040):677-9.

Urinary oxalate on a high-oxalate diet as a clinical test of malabsorption.

Andersson H, Gillberg R.

100 g of spinach a day was added to the hospital diet of fifty-four

patients with

suspected malabsorption. Hyperoxaluria was found in thirty-eight patients;

all of

them had steatorrhoea. No patient with steatorrhoea had a urinary oxalate

excretion of less than 40 mg a day. Ten other patients had hyperoxaluria,

but the

faecal fat determinations were regarded as unreliable in almost all and

malabsorption could not be confirmed. It is suggested that in clinical practice

determination of urinary oxalate after an oral load of oxalate could replace

faecal fat determination in most patients with suspected malabsorption.

Publication Types:

Comparative Study

PMID: 71494 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

14: Gut. 1977 Jul;18(7):561-6.

Hyperoxaluria correlates with fat malabsorption in patients with sprue.

Mc GB, Earnest DL, Admirand WH.

The effect of fat malabsorption on the absorption and renal excretion of

dietary

oxalate was studied in four patients with sprue and in two patients with

dermatitis herpetiformis and sprue-like jejunal histology. Hyperoxaluria was

present in all patients with sprue when fat malabsorption was severe. Urinary

oxalate excretion decreased in two of the three patients with coeliac sprue

when

their fat malabsorption had improved after three months of dietary gluten

restriction. Neither patient with dermatitis herpetiformis and sprue had

steatorrhoea. In these patients, urinary oxalate excretion was always within

normal limits. A significant positive linear relationship (y=28.25 +4-84x;

r=0-82; P less than 0-01) was demonstrated between faecal fat and urinary

oxalate

excretion. The results of this study support the concept that severe

malabsorption of dietary fat plays a primary causative role in enteric

hyperoxaluria.

Publication Types:

Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 873337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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> asked:

>

> >

> > Since my daughter's vitamin D level is so low (15) and some

> > people link vitamin D deficiency to fibro, how many of you have had

> > vitamin D measured,

> > and if you did, and started supplementing high dose vitamin D (my

> > daughter's doctor gave her 50,000 iu's a week), did the vitamin

> > help or did it make you feel worse? The Marshall Protocol people

> > make it sound like a bad idea, but in thinking about WHEN in the

> > calendar my daughter does well, it is when she spends hours in the

> > sun.

>

>I don't know what the Marshall Protocol is, but as a weight loss

>surgery patient (I had a duodenal switch), my supplement needs are

>different from the normal population. I take 15,000 iu of dry

>Vitamin D per day. Dry is because with a DS, I don't absorb fats

>normally.

>

>High doses of Vitamin D should be done under a doc's care and

>according to labs.

>

>I don't really notice a difference, but then my level has never gone

>super-low, and I maintain constant levels of supplementation with

>yearly labs. But I've noticed that I do like to sit in my sunroom

>during sunny days, and (since my new knees) I like to be outside on

>sunny days, working in my yard.

>

> Z

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