Re: nose bleeds from proefa

[Guest guest]

or any one else who may have experienced this:

My son is five and is currently only on 2 Proefas once a day and 1 Proepa.

However lately we have been getting nosebleeds when on the fish oil. We have

been to an ENT and there is nothing physically wrong it just seems to be a

reaction to the fish oil. If we stop the oil so do the nose bleeds. The are

daily and not as bad as the were at first but still there. Has any one else

experienced this. My son's speech has soared over the past year he is using 4

and 5 word sentences. His articulation still needs some fine tuning but from

where he was at age three it is remarkable. So I would like to keep up with the

supplements but not sure about these nose bleeds.

Kim

kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

If fish oils work, which with the right formula they do for almost

all in this group, you may not need to do anything else.

Many here have tried carn-aware and/or carnosine (not carnotine even

though a few have used that too) at some point and that's not as

consistent but works well for some too. Most don't continue to use

it as they do with fish oils. Things like Epsom Salt baths and

other benign things such as that many in this group have tried too

even though that's not a supplement of course. But diet is. Not

that it 'has' to be a special diet but try to limit the " bad " fats

like fried foods while exploring fish oils at first. Too many " kids

meals " everywhere include things like deep fried chicken fingers,

fries etc. Tonight my son Tanner ate tuna and clams. I know fresh

seafood isn't the best either due to toxins in the water -but my

boys love seafood (and Tanner especially loves all veggies)

Many also explore alternative therapies in addition to traditional

speech and occupational therapy. The brain responds to multiple

stimuli and multisensory approaches to therapy and education are the

best.

If fish oils alone do not " work " you can try other biomedical

approaches and there are many here who can explain more. In this

group are those who have explored the B12 shots. My elderly Aunt

loves them but I myself never read enough positive results with the

children here to feel compelled to try it with either of my boys. I

asked them if they wanted to try it and both said no. As I always

say however, if my boys were not doing as well as they were doing I

would certainly not hesitate to explore more than fish oil and

Flintstones complete!

Tanner's page (3rd grade mainstream doing amazing!!)

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html

Dakota page (6th grade mainstream doing amazing!!)

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/workandfamily.html

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[Guest guest]

Did your ENT think the fish oils were to blame? I know that some

supplements should be avoided before surgery because they encourage

bleeding (or perhaps it's that they discourage clotting) but I don't

recall which ones or if fish oils are included. I would look into

that to get an idea if it really is the fish oils and not just a

coincidence. Both my sister and niece had daily (awful) nosebleeds

until they got a doctor to cauterize the inside of their noses

(which sounds horrible but they said it wasn't a big deal). They

don't take fish oils or even eat fish all that often so it may be

possible that this is just one of those things. Did the ENT suggest

a treatment or did he just want to wait and see?

> If fish oils work, which with the right formula they do for

almost

> all in this group, you may not need to do anything else.

>

> Many here have tried carn-aware and/or carnosine (not carnotine

even

> though a few have used that too) at some point and that's not as

> consistent but works well for some too. Most don't continue to

use

> it as they do with fish oils. Things like Epsom Salt baths and

> other benign things such as that many in this group have tried too

> even though that's not a supplement of course. But diet is. Not

> that it 'has' to be a special diet but try to limit the " bad " fats

> like fried foods while exploring fish oils at first. Too

many " kids

> meals " everywhere include things like deep fried chicken fingers,

> fries etc. Tonight my son Tanner ate tuna and clams. I know

fresh

> seafood isn't the best either due to toxins in the water -but my

> boys love seafood (and Tanner especially loves all veggies)

>

> Many also explore alternative therapies in addition to traditional

> speech and occupational therapy. The brain responds to multiple

> stimuli and multisensory approaches to therapy and education are

the

> best.

>

> If fish oils alone do not " work " you can try other biomedical

> approaches and there are many here who can explain more. In this

> group are those who have explored the B12 shots. My elderly Aunt

> loves them but I myself never read enough positive results with

the

> children here to feel compelled to try it with either of my boys.

I

> asked them if they wanted to try it and both said no. As I always

> say however, if my boys were not doing as well as they were doing

I

> would certainly not hesitate to explore more than fish oil and

> Flintstones complete!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for letting us know about this! Those of us with our kids on

fish oils should remember this if ever we have them scheduled for

surgery.

> >

> > or any one else who may have experienced this:

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim!

I was one of those children with severe nose bleeds all the time. I

too had to be taken to get my nose cauterized and hated that! (And

no was not on fish oil as a child) For almost all fish oil will not

cause nose bleeds even at high dosages. But if a child has nose

bleeds on the oils and when off the oils does not that would concern

me. I'd check with another doctor on this. (anyone here want to

jump in?) As a former " nosebleeder " I can tell you that I have

taken larger dosages of fish oil now since I read The Omega 3

Connection (whenever that came out a few years ago) and in spite of

my nose bleed past...have not had one since I was a little girl.

(thank you!)

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[Guest guest]

Hi again Kim!

I don't know why I used to get nose bleeds as a child. I asked my

Mom and she said that I bruised easily and bled more than usual when

younger. I was tested for various conditions but they all came out

negative so not sure why. I don't appear to either bruise too

easily today, nor bleed more than anyone else. I almost completely

forgot that my son Dakota like me used to get nose bleeds quite

often, and they would happen just like that and freak everyone out

because all of a sudden he'd had a shirt full of blood.

I just said to Dakota today " When was the last time you had a nose

bleed can you remember? " And he couldn't either. It's been years I

can tell you that. He has only been on the fish oils since he was 5

and he is now 11. The nose bleeds were (like me) mainly in his

early years. I believe he still had them here and there once we

started the fish oils -but knew in his case they were not from the

fish oil. And clincher? Dakota is the highest dosage fish oil

person in our family. He's been on 10 capsules a day for about a

year or two now. I know for sure he has not had any nose bleeds at

all in that time.

I know those are only personal stories -but hope they help! I was told

cotton with a bit of Neosynephrine put up my nose a bit was what

used to help me! (and speaking of that -did anyone but me

here see that kid's movie She's the Man where the girl athlete pretends to

be a boy athlete and when by accident tampons fall from her boot, she

pretends they are for nosebleeds and shows how with a straight face?! "

http://www.pluggedinonline.com/movies/movies/a0002590.cfm

Cotton with Neosynephrine and tampons aside...

is right on with her advise about vasoline! Thanks

Dr. !

IX. BLOODY NOSES

Bleeding from the nose is a common problem. If you hit your nose

accidently or someone else hits it not so accidently, it may bleed.

Generally, this can be stopped by placing a gauze in front of your

nose to catch the blood and then pinching the nostrils together.

Some like to apply pressure over the upper lip at the base of the

nose. Others like to apply ice to the forehead. Mother Nature

controls bleeding, but it invariably take 3-6 minutes. Whether these

ancillary procedures help or just make you feel better that you are

doing something is a matter of speculation. If the bleeding persists

for more than 5 minutes or if it is truly profuse it is best to go

to a medical facility where specialized equipment and personnel are

available.

This section focuses mostly on the recurrent nosebleed; the one that

starts bleeding in the middle of the night or the middle of the day -

- the nose that bleeds every day, every other day, every week or

every other week or it always bleeds when you least expect it.

Typically, this bleeding comes from the anterior portion of the

septum and stems from dilated blood vessels. The dilated vessels

bleed, they then crust and every time the crust falls off, the

vessel bleeds again, crusts, bleeds, crusts, bleeds, and on and on.

Aspirin, blood thinning agents and non steroidal anti-inflammatory

agents such as AdvilR and MotrinR decrease your bodies ability to

control bleeding, and if you are taking these medicines you should

either decrease them, discontinue them or consult with your primary

care physician.

Most anterior nosebleeds emanate from a crusted, dilated vessell in

the anterior portion of the nose. There are many proposed therapies

for this. The one I have found most effective is to apply vaseline

to the nose on a regular basis. A small portion of vaseline,

approximately the same amount as the amount of toothpaste one places

on a toothbrush, is placed on the pinky finger. This is placed

inside the nostril, on both the right and left side. Next, the

pinky finger should be placed inside the nostril and turned 180

degrees first clockwise, then counterclockwise, so that the vaseline

is spread or smeared along the nasal septum, the roof and the

lateral wall. This should not be done with anything other than the

pinky finger, not a pencil, q-tip, bobby pin or other tool. It is

very important to use the pinky finger as it is gentle and soft. In

most cases, performing this procedure twice daily on a regular basis

will prevent future nosebleeds. During times of recurrent bleeding

or during periods in which one is exposed to very dry air, this can

be repeated as often as three or four times per day.

If the above is not effective, you should appoint with a Head and

Neck Surgeon to examine the nose, diagnose and then treat the

underlying problem "

http://www-surgery.ucsd.edu/ent/DAVIDSON/NASHAND/nasal.htm

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