Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Hello YeseniaMy first advice would be to follow up on your request, instead of waiting on them to get back to you. But that's a given with schools, right?I wonder what it means to request a kid not to be restrained when the school deems it necessary. I know there are some procedures like empty out the classroom or cafeteria or wherever the place where the disturbance happened...but how can we be sure that the kids aren't being restrained somehow to get that accomplished, do you know what I mean? It makes sense to me that some restraining might be done, and then what?Do we get to choose what methods can be used when restraint must be done? How does it work? As you can see I have many concerns about this issue... Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: sList Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:12:15 -0000To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though " no " was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a " crisis " I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was " I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that " . My response: " I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done! " . Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone!Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 There are times when restraint is called for. If a child is banging his head on a concrete wall or floor I want someone to intervene. Same if a kid picks up a rock or something heavy and is about to hit another kid with it. Try this: Restraint is to be used only when there is imminent risk of serious injury or death to the student or others. This is language right out of Broward District Policy under " reporting " criteria for when restraint is used, but not a prohibition. District staff " claims " this " infers " and " sends a strong message to teachers " that restraint is only to be used in imminent risk situations. This is the exact language: http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/sbbcpolicies/docs/P6000.4.000.pdf ii. The student's behavior leading up to and precipitating the decision to use manual physical restraint or seclusion, including an indication as to why there was an imminent risk of serious injury or death to the student or others In reality the only prohibition regarding restraint is: Prohibited Actions 1. School personnel will not use a mechanical restraint or manual physical restraint that restricts a student's breathing Please let me know how you do with trying this, I am curious if the District is willing to put in writing what they insist is already there. Good Luck, Steve Moyer > > Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though " no " was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a " crisis " I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was " I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that " . My response: " I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done! " . Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! > > Yesenia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 It can be put in the 'parent input' section of the IEP. I have also been through this so please feel free to email me off the list if any other questions. Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yesenia: dont let her tell you that, that means nothing. Either call another IEP or ask a non restraint statement to be added to the IEP, it is usually added into the parent concerns section. If they say they can do that with no meeting that's fine, but submit the statement in writing and then ask for a copy of the new revised IEP. Also, I submit a dont restrain letter to the district and the school. You can include anything you want in the parents concerns section of the IEP. no one needs to "figure it out". Clara To: sList Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:12:15 PMSubject: IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone!Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 If the school deems it necessary, follows the proper documentation process, and uses the correct restraining techniques, then you do not have a choice. If your child gets violent then they will be restrained. It is important to make sure that the staff at the school have all been properly trained in restraint. That is a matter of public record and you can get that information from the district. IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 In Broward County the District contracts out restraint training to Professional Crisis Management Corp. They have a long list of techniques to us de-escelate a potential restraint situation; re-direct, reinforce, remove irritant from area, remove student from area where irritant exists, transport, etc. before getting to restraint. Of course all staff have to follow the training all the time and not jump to restraint. When restraint occurs Broward uses " prone restraint " where two trained adults bring a student to the floor face down and immobilize the student. This happened 459 times in Broward County in school year 2010-11 according to DOE. Statewide 44% of restraints were for Pre K through 3rd graders. Broward actually has a much better record that the 3rd and 4th largest Districts, from DOE: Restraints Dade: 354,000 students 166 restraint incidents Broward: 263,000 students 459 restraint incidents Hillsborough: 194,000 students 1,032 restraint incidents Orange: 175,000 students 2,358 restraint incidents Orange County uses a straight jacket device for restraint, watch this horror film by the Orlando Sentinel of teachers demonstrating its use: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/6903ee18-7a19-4141-a86b-ee0cda354905 Dade Counties Senator has filed a Bill (S144)for the upcoming session which would restrict the use of restraint to " imminent risk of serious injury or death " situations. Call, E-Mail and Visit your Senator and Representative and tell them this has to be curbed before a student dies as the GAO investigated here: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09719t.pdf SECLUSIONSAND RESTRAINTS Selected Cases of Death and Abuse at Public and Private Schools and Treatment Centers. Steve Moyer > > Hello Yesenia > My first advice would be to follow up on your request, instead of waiting on them to get back to you. But that's a given with schools, right? > I wonder what it means to request a kid not to be restrained when the school deems it necessary. I know there are some procedures like empty out the classroom or cafeteria or wherever the place where the disturbance happened...but how can we be sure that the kids aren't being restrained somehow to get that accomplished, do you know what I mean? It makes sense to me that some restraining might be done, and then what? > Do we get to choose what methods can be used when restraint must be done? How does it work? > As you can see I have many concerns about this issue... > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > IEP > > Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though " no " was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a " crisis " I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was " I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that " . My response: " I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done! " . Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! > > Yesenia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Thanks , that's what I thought. There's really no "no restraint" letter, is there?Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: sList Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:59:47 -0500 (EST)To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: IEP If the school deems it necessary, follows the proper documentation process, and uses the correct restraining techniques, then you do not have a choice. If your child gets violent then they will be restrained. It is important to make sure that the staff at the school have all been properly trained in restraint. That is a matter of public record and you can get that information from the district. Re: IEP Hello YeseniaMy first advice would be to follow up on your request, instead of waiting on them to get back to you. But that's a given with schools, right?I wonder what it means to request a kid not to be restrained when the school deems it necessary. I know there are some procedures like empty out the classroom or cafeteria or wherever the place where the disturbance happened...but how can we be sure that the kids aren't being restrained somehow to get that accomplished, do you know what I mean? It makes sense to me that some restraining might be done, and then what?Do we get to choose what methods can be used when restraint must be done? How does it work? As you can see I have many concerns about this issue... Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: sList Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:12:15 -0000To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone!Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 As others have said the district has a right to use restraint, however you can add to the parent concern section on IEP that you wish it to be only used in case of imminent and immediate risk and danger to self or others and yes, you can submit a no restrain letter. These provisions to not exempt your child from restraint, but they help your case IF improper or too frequent restraint is used. From: liv2laugh@...To: sList Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:27:54 PMSubject: Re: IEP Thanks , that's what I thought. There's really no "no restraint" letter, is there? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Sender: sList Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:59:47 -0500 (EST) To: <sList > ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: IEP If the school deems it necessary, follows the proper documentation process, and uses the correct restraining techniques, then you do not have a choice. If your child gets violent then they will be restrained. It is important to make sure that the staff at the school have all been properly trained in restraint. That is a matter of public record and you can get that information from the district. IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone!Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I understand, the school system has to restrain in events when the child is a danger to themselves or others but a parent did tell me that a parent can refuse restraints and secclusion. My son wont be needing this, but I would like to have it documented because the system is crazy and I refuse for my son to get hurt just because someone wants him to "calm down". The teacher did tell me that she uses bear hugs as we do also at home and I have no problem with this, but I refuse physical restraints. Children have died because of this. IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Steve, I appreciate your feedback. Im not for restraints and I have advised the school to call me right away in case of crisis. It hasnt happened because my son isnt "violent" but he can be aggressive. I know of many cases where restraining is used for the convenience of the teachers and paras and I refuse it totally. IEP > > Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! > > Yesenia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I understand but I have the right to refuse a physical restraint, unless hes a threat to himself or others, but I have told the school to contact me immediately in case. Im just afraid because its being used for convenience. My son isnt violent and it was just mentioned in the IEP meeting but the counselor was a bit inappropriate when addressing it and I have concerns, especially since my son is non verbal. IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Clara, thats what I thought. I will for sure tell the teacher. Im going to write down what you said so I wont forget. Thank you so much!!!!!! Yesenia IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 you and me both have concerns.. I have read about cases where a child has died because of restraining. Im going to submit a non restraint letter. Another memeber advised me of that. Its scary... IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Students have indeed died while being restrained or while in a seclusion room. Cases are well documented here in a study done by the US Government Accountability Office, even the title is scary: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09719t.pdf SECLUSIONSAND RESTRAINTS Selected Cases of Death and Abuse at Public and Private Schools and Treatment Centers Steve > > you and me both have concerns.. I have read about cases where a child has died because of restraining. Im going to submit a non restraint letter. Another memeber advised me of that. Its scary... > > > > IEP > > > > Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though " no " was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a " crisis " I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was " I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that " . My response: " I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done! " . Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! > > Yesenia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yesenia: I am very much against restrains too. If a child is banging his head then I am not against removing him from the stimulus and protecting him but that doesnt necessarily equate to restraining. Prone restraint is so dangerous. Bascially because the state has the right to restrain (FL is a state where corporal punishment, in which restraint is included, is legal - thats the big problem) you cannot force them not to, but you can make yourself a very squeaky wheel, write you no restraint letters and ask what the detailed plan is for environmental response that doesnt include restraint if he becomes aggressive. They can do something like clear the room and just let him "go" providing he is not hurting himself, they can guide him to a safe room or place (not a seclusions room where the door is closed etc) whre he is safe to wait it out with maybe a bean bag chair etc, they can talk him down, or offer him an incentive to distract him and redirect him etc etc. But I would remain very vocal about your deep concern with restrain and that it is not to be used as a behavioral internvention, which is what happens, but as a very LAST emergency resort, i.e., he is about to throw a computer at your face, otherwise there should never be a reason to touch him. I dont even like the "in emergencies" thing but at least it clarifies your position, and then if you have ti written into the parent concern area on the IEP, that restraint should not be used as an intervention or to handle behaviors, you have some back up. also communicate with the principal, let him/her know your strong stance, make it a big deal, soon they will be more reluctant to touch your child. Clara To: sList Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:14:14 PMSubject: Re: IEP Clara, thats what I thought. I will for sure tell the teacher. Im going to write down what you said so I wont forget. Thank you so much!!!!!! Yesenia IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone!Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Clara great information. I will for sure write the letter. We are in Orlando now and I will be back next week. Im working on it now because I want it to make sense. IEP Hello all, I had an IEP meeting on Tuesday and it went well. But I have a concern, there was a section where crisis management was discussed and restraints were mentioned even though "no" was checked off in that section, indicating that it wont be used. I made it clear that I refuse for anyone to restrain my son. In case of a "crisis" I need to be called immediately. I told the counselor that I would like this documented and her response was "I have to find the correct way to do that because parents dont ask for that". My response: "I guess you have met your first parent that wants this done!". Any guidance or advice? I will be following up to make sure its documented somewhere. Thanks everyone! Yesenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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