Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year

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Recovery IS possible. I have seen children recover from autism, severe SPD and other spectrum disorders. ABA is not fully responsible though. The most important thing is early treatment (12-18 months), diet, supplements, repatterning motor, integrating reflexes. speech, and getting the child out of survival and protection where they are living at the brainstem level. If everyone does their part, children will outgrow their diagnosis and maybe just end up with some quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable. Children who have "hardware" (genetic components) can be helped as well. There is hope and help but if a particular therapy has failed to produce results within a few months, it's time to move on.

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" quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable " ........Let's call a spade a spade. If you can identify " quirky behavior " than you have to say the behavior is noticeable. There is no gray area. ABA is a direct method used to correct a certain behavior. To say that it is not fully responsible for 100% in the improvement in the positive change in behavior is incorrect. The things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it. But it is refreshing to hear that all we need are parents who will do their part and the diagnosis will disappear. Of course not completely because we will still have those quirky behaviors. The only way you will know if a particular therapy isn't working is to have it as the only therapy because once you combine therapies it is impossible to determine which one is actually working. You are correct about one thing: It is time to move on. From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of playparent@...Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:12 PMTo: sList Subject: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year Recovery IS possible. I have seen children recover from autism, severe SPD and other spectrum disorders. ABA is not fully responsible though. The most important thing is early treatment (12-18 months), diet, supplements, repatterning motor, integrating reflexes. speech, and getting the child out of survival and protection where they are living at the brainstem level. If everyone does their part, children will outgrow their diagnosis and maybe just end up with some quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable. Children who have " hardware " (genetic components) can be helped as well. There is hope and help but if a particular therapy has failed to produce results within a few months, it's time to move on.

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You stated, "The

things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it." That is an incorrect statement. My son is on several supplements that change his behavior from wild to manageable so we can get the therapies to work. Without his GABA, magnesium, and taurine we would probably have to put him on pharmaceuticals to get him to sit still long enough to focus. Also, in regards to dietary changes, when my child consumes casein he throws himself up against walls along with other self injurious behaviors. So you see, his supplements and diet does change his behavior.

Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year

Recovery IS possible. I have seen children recover from autism, severe SPD and other spectrum disorders. ABA is not fully responsible though. The most important thing is early treatment (12-18 mont

hs), diet, supplements, repatterning motor, integrating reflexes. speech, and getting the child out of survival and protection where they are living at the brainstem level. If everyone does their part, children will outgrow their diagnosis and maybe just end up with some quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable. Children who have "hardware" (genetic components) can be helped as well. There is hope and help but if a particular therapy has failed to produce results within a few months, it's time to move on.

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I agree...

An example I like to use when people (professionals and experts) claim the research based, evidence based efficacy of ABA and that biomedical (diets, supplementation, etc.) has no “science†to support it is when I see children who are engaged in SIB (Self Injurious Behavior) and the experts/professionals utilize ABA in order to decrease or eliminate that behavior. And the cause of the behavior is a medical issue such as gastrointestinal pain due to exposure to foods the child cannot process. Sure, the ABA will work but it doesn’t solve the problem. Change the child’s diet and ABA may not even be needed.

And, why is it that ABA is science but labs are all-of-a-sudden not science. To me, labs are very helpful to determine a child’s levels of nutrients, etc. And everyone has their own personal optimal levels that help them be efficient/help their bodies run efficiently.

This is all an argument that will be had for years, as it has been had for years.

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You stated, "The things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it." That is an incorrect statement. My son is on several supplements that change his behavior from wild to manageable so we can get the therapies to work. Without his GABA, magnesium, and taurine we would probably have to put him on pharmaceuticals to get him to sit still long enough to focus. Also, in regards to dietary changes, when my child consumes casein he throws himself up against walls along with other self injurious behaviors. So you see, his supplements and diet does change his behavior.

RE: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year

"quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable"........Let's call a spade a spade. If you can identify "quirky behavior" than you have to say the behavior is noticeable. There is no gray area.

ABA is a direct method used to correct a certain behavior. To say that it is not fully responsible for 100% in the improvement in the positive change in behavior is incorrect. The things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it.

But it is refreshing to hear that all we need are parents who will do their part and the diagnosis will disappear. Of course not completely because we will still have those quirky behaviors.

The only way you will know if a particular therapy isn't working is to have it as the only therapy because once you combine therapies it is impossible to determine which one is actually working.

You are correct about one thing: It is time to move on.

From: sList [mailto:sList ?] On Behalf Of playparent@...Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:12 PMTo: sList Subject: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year

Recovery IS possible. I have seen children recover from autism, severe SPD and other spectrum disorders. ABA is not fully responsible though. The most important thing is early treatment (12-18 mont hs), diet, supplements, repatterning motor, integrating reflexes. speech, and getting the child out of survival and protection where they are living at the brainstem level. If everyone does their part, children will outgrow their diagnosis and maybe just end up with some quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable. Children who have "hardware" (genetic components) can be helped as well. There is hope and help but if a particular therapy has failed to produce results within a few months, it's time to move on.

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I would be the first to say, " go for it " if the change in diet resulted in no need for ABA. But if the child needs ABA and still has a gut problem then the change in diet is not directly changing the behavior but only supporting the methodology or ABA. Let me put it this way. Stop the ABA and look for progress. From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of austintandt@...Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:38 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year I agree... An example I like to use when people (professionals and experts) claim the research based, evidence based efficacy of ABA and that biomedical (diets, supplementation, etc.) has no “science†to support it is when I see children who are engaged in SIB (Self Injurious Behavior) and the experts/professionals utilize ABA in order to decrease or eliminate that behavior. And the cause of the behavior is a medical issue such as gastrointestinal pain due to exposure to foods the child cannot process. Sure, the ABA will work but it doesn’t solve the problem. Change the child’s diet and ABA may not even be needed. And, why is it that ABA is science but labs are all-of-a-sudden not science. To me, labs are very helpful to determine a child’s levels of nutrients, etc. And everyone has their own personal optimal levels that help them be efficient/help their bodies run efficiently. This is all an argument that will be had for years, as it has been had for years. From: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:12 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year You stated, " The things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it. " That is an incorrect statement. My son is on several supplements that change his behavior from wild to manageable so we can get the therapies to work. Without his GABA, magnesium, and taurine we would probably have to put him on pharmaceuticals to get him to sit still long enough to focus. Also, in regards to dietary changes, when my child consumes casein he throws himself up against walls along with other self injurious behaviors. So you see, his supplements and diet does change his behavior. RE: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year " quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable " ........Let's call a spade a spade. If you can identify " quirky behavior " than you have to say the behavior is noticeable. There is no gray area. ABA is a direct method used to correct a certain behavior. To say that it is not fully responsible for 100% in the improvement in the positive change in behavior is incorrect. The things you mentioned like diets and supplements in themselves have no consequential value in changing the behavior. they can only supplement it. But it is refreshing to hear that all we need are parents who will do their part and the diagnosis will disappear. Of course not completely because we will still have those quirky behaviors. The only way you will know if a particular therapy isn't working is to have it as the only therapy because once you combine therapies it is impossible to determine which one is actually working. You are correct about one thing: It is time to move on. From: sList [mailto:sList ?] On Behalf Of playparent@...Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:12 PMTo: sList Subject: Re:Study Reveals Children Recover From Autism With Intensive Three-Year Recovery IS possible. I have seen children recover from autism, severe SPD and other spectrum disorders. ABA is not fully responsible though. The most important thing is early treatment (12-18 mont hs), diet, supplements, repatterning motor, integrating reflexes. speech, and getting the child out of survival and protection where they are living at the brainstem level. If everyone does their part, children will outgrow their diagnosis and maybe just end up with some quirky behaviors that are not that noticeable. Children who have " hardware " (genetic components) can be helped as well. There is hope and help but if a particular therapy has failed to produce results within a few months, it's time to move on.