GABA

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Before I give the info you asked, I just want to ask you- is this teenager

you speak of have a dx, or is this a teen who just likes to stay up late,

and then sleeps in most of the day, and then ofcourse after sleeping in half

the day, cant fall asleep too early that night- like has this teen just

gotten into a bad sleep pattern?? If that is the case, i dont know if any

supplement will help. It would take at least one night, or a few nights of

waking him up at a decent time in the morning and insisting that he not go

back to sleep until that night. If you can " insist " ANYTHING with these

teenagers- ha ha!

Anyway, I use GABA from a company called EnzymaticTherapy. It comes in a

bottle with 60 little 250mg capsules. The caps are pretty tiny. I start with

one capsule for 2 or 3 nights, and keep building up by one more capsule

every few nights until I see the desired results. I give it to him about an

hour before bed. I think especially if your on enzymes you want to build up

slowly since as I understand it, some kids can cut down on their supplements

when starting enzymes. i guess this is due to the enzymes helping us digest

our food better, so that would mean more if the supplement actually gets

used by the body. That is my guess. Am i right, Devin? So if your son is on

the enzymes it might be a good idea to start slowly with the GABA. Also,

keep your eyes open for having the same experience as i did. If it works and

then he gets hyper, stop it and start it again when he needs it, and then

take him off before he gets hyper again. You might have to do a little

experimenting to get it right. Hope this helps. Rivky

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> Rivky,

>

> Thank you for sharing that! This is my problem--a teenager who stays

> up all hours of the night. I ask him how late he stayed awake and

> he'll say, " well, it's safe to say it was before 5 a.m. " (which means

> it was probably 4:49 a.m.) This has been happening every night and

> then he just can't get up the next day. I just gave him some

> Benydryl hoping I can get him sleepy tonight so we can start the week

> out right. If I try GABA, you've saved me with having to deal with

> the same problem you did. That's worth a lot! Are there any other

> benefits to this GABA besides making him sleepy? Also, how soon do

> you give it before bedtime.

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> Thanks again!

> Laurie

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> > > > Ann

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> Before I give the info you asked, I just want to ask you- is this

teenager

> you speak of have a dx, or is this a teen who just likes to stay up

late,

Thanks again Rivki. Yes, this teenager has an Aspergers and OCD dx.

I do struggle with what is teen and what isn't. He has never been

much of a sleeper and it seems no matter what time I drag him out of

bed, he still stays awake late into the night--he's just extra

grouchy the next day. I'm trying to set some new ground rules to see

if we can take care of this without a supplement but, if not, I'm

going to try the GABA.

Laurie

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we saw no benefits with GABA after taking 5/day for a month 1/2

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From the sound of your post, it sounds like you could use some supplements.

maybe some ground rules too, but it sounds to me like your son could use

something to help him wind down.

You could try GABA ofcourse. Also have you considered melatonin? With

melatonin you have to be careful of the dosing. Different people need

different amounts. I once tried melatonin. 1 mg a night. Ha ha. The first

few nights i slept well. I began sleeping so well, i could hardly get my

head off the pillow the next morning! Then i began to almost fall asleep in

my soup durring meal times. ofcourse just as in my GABA story, I found out

that it was accumulating in my body. I once mentioned this to a psychiatrist

who was lecturing about autism, and he said that is rediculous- that

melatonin leaves the body after a number of hours (forgot exactly how long)

and it doesnt accumulate. Well who knows better-the psychiatrist or my

body?? Rivky

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>

> > Before I give the info you asked, I just want to ask you- is this

> teenager

> > you speak of have a dx, or is this a teen who just likes to stay up

> late,

>

>

> Thanks again Rivki. Yes, this teenager has an Aspergers and OCD dx.

> I do struggle with what is teen and what isn't. He has never been

> much of a sleeper and it seems no matter what time I drag him out of

> bed, he still stays awake late into the night--he's just extra

> grouchy the next day. I'm trying to set some new ground rules to see

> if we can take care of this without a supplement but, if not, I'm

> going to try the GABA.

>

> Laurie

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> I once mentioned this to a psychiatrist

> who was lecturing about autism, and he said that is rediculous- that

> melatonin leaves the body after a number of hours (forgot exactly how long)

> and it doesnt accumulate. Well who knows better-the psychiatrist or my

> body??

Hi Rivky,

I think you may have a liver detoxification problem... or something like this,

because melatonin simply cannot " act " this way.

Valentina

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Huh???? A liver detox problem??? I dont know. all i know is i dont use

melatonin anymore. Tell me more about what you know about melatonin- is it

really suppose to " leave " the body? Rivky

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> > I once mentioned this to a psychiatrist

> > who was lecturing about autism, and he said that is rediculous- that

> > melatonin leaves the body after a number of hours (forgot exactly how

long)

> > and it doesnt accumulate. Well who knows better-the psychiatrist or my

> > body??

>

> Hi Rivky,

> I think you may have a liver detoxification problem... or something like

this,

> because melatonin simply cannot " act " this way.

>

>

> Valentina

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Ok. I find the vast majority of things I try dont do anything. I feel like i

hit the jackpot if i find something that works a little bit for one aspect

of a problem. Rivky

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> we saw no benefits with GABA after taking 5/day for a month 1/2

>

>

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I have heard that GABA is related (I don't remember how) to MSG - the stuff

in Chinese food. Does anyone know about this?

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In a message dated 8/14/2002 1:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rkahan@... writes:

> I am just wondering if anyone knows anything about GABA possibly having

> such side effects as causing irritability or anything like that. Any

> thought? Rivky

>

Hi Rivky,

GABA definitely gave my kids a Jekyll/Hyde effect. I can't remember any

supplement where they were so immediately negatively affected other than our

disaster with bethanecol. This one even topped Supernuthera and DMG for us

on our list of will never go there again supplements!

The good news is the problem behaviors did dissappear within 72 hours of

ceasing the GABA.

Liane Gentry Skye

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" nonverbal " does not have to mean " unable to communicate "

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Oh well that gives me a hint. Now i have to decide if i should continue the

GABA in spite of that it MIGHT be causing behaviors or continue it so that

it can regulate his sleep cycle. I have also found recently much to my

distress that even though he is starting to fall asleep at a decent hour

with the GABA, he is also waking up in the middle of the night. :-( Rivky

Re: [ ] GABA

> In a message dated 8/14/2002 1:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rkahan@... writes:

>

>

> > I am just wondering if anyone knows anything about GABA possibly having

> > such side effects as causing irritability or anything like that. Any

> > thought? Rivky

> >

>

> Hi Rivky,

>

> GABA definitely gave my kids a Jekyll/Hyde effect. I can't remember any

> supplement where they were so immediately negatively affected other than

our

> disaster with bethanecol. This one even topped Supernuthera and DMG for

us

> on our list of will never go there again supplements!

>

> The good news is the problem behaviors did dissappear within 72 hours of

> ceasing the GABA.

>

> Liane Gentry Skye

>

> <A HREF= " http://talkingwithpictures.com/ " >Talking With Pictures</A>

>

> " nonverbal " does not have to mean " unable to communicate "

>

>

>

>

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My daughter had the opposite reaction to GABA plus. Instead of calming her

down, it made her hyper, restless, and affected her sleep. Sounds like your

daughter might have the same problem.

GABA

> I recenttly started my dd (age 7, ASD) on GABA from Kirkman's..it

> contains inositol and niacinimide. She is not sleeping well since I

> started giving it. Any ideas as to why this may be?

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What have you found to work well for your daughter?

Thanks in advance.

<JBelle456@c...> wrote:

> My daughter had the opposite reaction to GABA plus. Instead of

calming her

> down, it made her hyper, restless, and affected her sleep. Sounds

like your

> daughter might have the same problem.

>

> GABA

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> > I recenttly started my dd (age 7, ASD) on GABA from Kirkman's..it

> > contains inositol and niacinimide. She is not sleeping well

since I

> > started giving it. Any ideas as to why this may be?

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We use calming amino acid called glycine and when really desperate for

sleep, only 200 mcg of melatonin.

GABA

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> > > I recenttly started my dd (age 7, ASD) on GABA from Kirkman's..it

> > > contains inositol and niacinimide. She is not sleeping well

> since I

> > > started giving it. Any ideas as to why this may be?

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I give GABA and I use 'Pain & Stress Center' 750mg version. They do

produce it in a lower amount, but I purchase it locally. The key is to

giving it in the AM and in the PM. IE: Total amount for the day is 1/2

capsule, so he gets 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the PM to keep it evenly in the

system. My naturopathic doctor indicated this is the best way to dispense

it. Here is a link to their site:

http://www.painstresscenter.com/mall/Gaba375.asp

Jackie

> Has anyone here had great success with GABA? If so, how much do you

> have your child taking? GABA was a miracle supplement (behaviorally)

> for my 6 year old son. In addition to PDD, he also has an abnormal EEG

> and suspected absence seizures. With GABA, my son responded well in

> the beginning, but I have to keep increasing the dose to keep the

> effect. I've been told that this is safe as long as I keep his dose

> below the level of sedation. He is taking a lot of GABA now, and I was

> wondering if anyone else has ever been through a similar situation.

> Will we eventually reach a point where we don't lose the effectiveness

> and don't have to keep increasing the dose? Thanks.

> Jukoski

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Hand stims. Any suggestions on how to stop the stimming.

[ ] GABA

Has anyone here had great success with GABA? If so, how much do you

have your child taking? GABA was a miracle supplement (behaviorally)

for my 6 year old son. In addition to PDD, he also has an abnormal EEG

and suspected absence seizures. With GABA, my son responded well in

the beginning, but I have to keep increasing the dose to keep the

effect. I've been told that this is safe as long as I keep his dose

below the level of sedation. He is taking a lot of GABA now, and I was

wondering if anyone else has ever been through a similar situation.

Will we eventually reach a point where we don't lose the effectiveness

and don't have to keep increasing the dose? Thanks.

Jukoski

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What does GABA mean? Is it a Natural Chelator? Can anyone please explain. Thanks

Leirs (Manila) & Philbert (US)- 07.15.00

Joshwa 01.16.01 (Manila)

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GABA is an amino acid that can help with anxiety, stress, depression or

pain. It needs to be takes with 10mg of B10. Read more here:

http://www.painstresscenter.com/mall/Gaba750.asp

This is the current product that we use to assist with my son's anxiety.

HTH-

Jackie--------------------------

> What does GABA mean? Is it a Natural Chelator? Can anyone please explain.

> Thanks

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> Leirs (Manila) & Philbert (US)- 07.15.00

> Joshwa 01.16.01 (Manila)

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> What does GABA mean?

Gamma amino butyric acid.

>Is it a Natural Chelator?

No.

>Can anyone please explain. Thanks

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> Leirs (Manila) & Philbert (US)- 07.15.00

> Joshwa 01.16.01 (Manila)

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Um. what's b10? Is that a typo? Do you mean B1?

Thanks,

Jill

> GABA is an amino acid that can help with anxiety, stress, depression or

> pain. It needs to be takes with 10mg of B10. Read more here:

> http://www.painstresscenter.com/mall/Gaba750.asp

> This is the current product that we use to assist with my son's anxiety.

>

> HTH-

> Jackie--------------------------

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> > What does GABA mean? Is it a Natural Chelator? Can anyone please explain.

> > Thanks

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> > Leirs (Manila) & Philbert (US)- 07.15.00

> > Joshwa 01.16.01 (Manila)

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Sorry, fingers are going too fast..... I meant 10mg of B6....sorry.

Thanks for catching that!

Jackie

> Um. what's b10? Is that a typo? Do you mean B1?

> Thanks,

> Jill

>

>

>> GABA is an amino acid that can help with anxiety, stress, depression or

>> pain. It needs to be takes with 10mg of B10. Read more here:

>> http://www.painstresscenter.com/mall/Gaba750.asp

>> This is the current product that we use to assist with my son's anxiety.

>>

>> HTH-

>> Jackie--------------------------

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>> > What does GABA mean? Is it a Natural Chelator? Can anyone please

>> > explain.

>> > Thanks

>> >

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>> > Leirs (Manila) & Philbert (US)- 07.15.00

>> > Joshwa 01.16.01 (Manila)

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GABA

Another issue with neurological inflammation are imbalances between

glutamate and GABA. While glutamate stimulates neurotransmission and

can excite the nerves to death, GABA is the calming neurotransmitter.

GABA is involved in social ability, controlling anxiety, and is

essential for speech. GABA neurons damp the propagation of sounds so

that a distinction can be made between the onset of a sound and

background noise. (GABA is often used to help restore speech in

individuals who have suffered strokes.) The amino acid taurine

(another sulfur containing amino acid) is itself involved in

neurotransmission, and also helps to elevate the level of GABA.

Taurine levels would also be depleted under conditions of low

sulfation. Normally, excess levels of the excitotoxin glutamate can

convert to GABA. There seems to be a disconnect in this process for

individuals with neurological inflammation so that the excitatory

neurotransmission is high and the calming neurotransmission is low,

where again, one sees the need for sulfur containing proteins or

amino acids in this process. The enzyme that converts glutamate into

GABA is located in the pancreas.

This implicates the GI tract in the process of neurological

inflammation.

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GABA, for my son, gets him into a deep sleep. I began giving it a

little earlier and allowed for an extra hour or so of sleep because

he was grouchy in the a.m. (even though he was sleeping the same

amount of hours). I've an NT child that is the exact same way when

she doesn't get enough sleep. Look for typical reasons and see if

you can't tweak dosage or time before giving up on it. Just my 2

cents.

BTW, our GABA is from Kirkman. BTW, again, argumentative and

oppositional are sometimes typical behaviors...especially with a

sleepy head. But I know it's the extreme in which it happens that

makes it maladaptive. Best of luck!

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> My son has seizure issues. His Neurosciences Neurotransmitter

testing

> recommended GABA (among other things). Last night, I gave him his

first dose of

> GABA - 250 mg by Phyto Pharmica. This morning, he woke up very

oppositional

> and argumentative. (He was not like this yesterday). It seems

that GABA is

> the cause of the opposition, etc. Should I keep giving GABA for a

couple more

> days to see if the negative effect goes away? I am wondering if

it would

> take that long to start getting the benefit of GABA. Or should I

just stop

> GABA now? (As a note, 1 1/2 years ago, my son had a short-term

tremendous

> benefit from high dosing of GABA - but, he is a completely

different kid now, with

> so many different issues than at that time). Thanks!

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