Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 , thats a super question. A parent has the right to observce their child granted permission. In my sons current school, there is no way for me to look in on him while hes in class. This is an excellent question. It would really help me when it comes to this dilemma. Thanx. Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 How's that different from being inside the classroom, for privacy purposes? As long as you're not recording there really isn't anything to it, in my opinion.Who have you talked to at school? Maybe contact an area coordinator or District personnel. But the principal/director should be able to sort it out...Good luck Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: sList Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0500 (EST)To: <slist >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance!Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 you may want to talk to an advocate about your rights and to see them in black and white writing, but you are right you have the right to observe. Good luckSubject: Observation QuestionTo: slist Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:29 PM Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Maybe you should contact Advocacy Center or an attorney and ask. I know the Advocacy center will help free of charge, I thought a parent could come in any time. http://disabilityrightsflorida.org/our_work/services/ From: liv2laugh@... Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:45 PM To: sList Subject: Re: Observation Question How's that different from being inside the classroom, for privacy purposes? As long as you're not recording there really isn't anything to it, in my opinion.Who have you talked to at school? Maybe contact an area coordinator or District personnel. But the principal/director should be able to sort it out...Good luck Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Sender: sList Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0500 (EST) To: <slist > ReplyTo: sList Subject: Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 you should ask them how that works with moms and dads coming in to help the teachers for activities Subject: Re: Observation QuestionTo: sList Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:45 PM How's that different from being inside the classroom, for privacy purposes? As long as you're not recording there really isn't anything to it, in my opinion.Who have you talked to at school? Maybe contact an area coordinator or District personnel. But the principal/director should be able to sort it out...Good luck Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Sender: sList Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0500 (EST)To: <slist >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't know about Citrus County but here in Broward according to the Teachers Union Contract an observation is considered an interruption. While I believe there is a great deal of discretion from school to school we technically have to give 48hrs notice to observe and then for only 1 hour. http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/employeerelations/BTU_PDFs_for_Website/BTU%20Contra\ ct%2008-09.pdf O. Interruptions to Teaching: Unauthorized personnel shall not be allowed to interrupt or otherwise disturb an employee during the performance of his/her professional responsibilities. Observations of an employee's class by persons other than school system personnel shall be allowed only after consent has been granted by the principal or his/her designee, notification to the employee, and proper security clearance has been granted. The visitation shall be scheduled no sooner than two (2) workdays after notification, except in extenuating circumstances as determined by the affected principal. Such observations shall be no longer than one (1) hour in length. Upon request, a building administrator shall be present in the employee's classroom during the entire observation period. District personnel visiting an employee's class during a formal and pre-planned visit for purposes of observing either the employee or students in the employee's classroom shall do so only after the employee has been notified by the principal. Each visit shall require the observer to provide feedback to the employee within a reasonable period of time. Employees should be able to perform their professional responsibilities free from unnecessary interruptions or disturbances. To the extent possible, maintenance, custodial and construction work will be done at a time or in a manner which will not result in interruptions or disturbances of the employee's professional responsibilities. The same shall apply to the use of intercommunication systems. > > > > > > Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! > Lesli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 My daughter had difficulty with me being in the room to observe, so they had a chair just outside the door (door was opened) for me to watch & observe. I also "tailed" her transitioning to other classes. Of course, I was not able to be there all day because they had to have an ESE person with me, shadowing me. I went several times to get a feeling of her day. The teachers were well aware that I was coming which is their right, but as we parents are also aware - our children aren't always cooperative even with a pre set-up. ) It was informative. I also send in an advocate several times to observe as she was able to be in the classroom without disrupting my child. To: sList Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:59:09 PMSubject: Re: Observation Question you should ask them how that works with moms and dads coming in to help the teachers for activities Subject: Re: Observation QuestionTo: sList Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:45 PM How's that different from being inside the classroom, for privacy purposes? As long as you're not recording there really isn't anything to it, in my opinion.Who have you talked to at school? Maybe contact an area coordinator or District personnel. But the principal/director should be able to sort it out...Good luck Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Sender: sList Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0500 (EST) To: <slist > ReplyTo: sList Subject: Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I have my next monthly meeting with the ESE Specialist and my son's teacher tomorrow and I was actually going to ask if there was some way I could possibly "hide" somewhere in the room to observe my son. I think this is the only way I'd be able to get a true picture of everything. I was told that the school principal was actually the one who got in touch with their lawyers and was told that it was illegal for me to utilize the closed circuit monitor to observe. Who knows? All I know is that one way or another, I'm getting in there to see and hear what goes on throughout my son's day. Thanks for the feedback! Lesli Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks for the response. The school has no issue with me observing......we're just at a standstill because I don't want my son to see my observing and they really don't have any other way for me to observe other then being in the room. Lesli Re: Observation Question I don't know about Citrus County but here in Broward according to the Teachers Union Contract an observation is considered an interruption. While I believe there is a great deal of discretion from school to school we technically have to give 48hrs notice to observe and then for only 1 hour. http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/employeerelations/BTU_PDFs_for_Website/BTU%20Contract%2008-09.pdf O. Interruptions to Teaching: Unauthorized personnel shall not be allowed to interrupt or otherwise disturb an employee during the performance of his/her professional responsibilities. Observations of an employee's class by persons other than school system personnel shall be allowed only after consent has been granted by the principal or his/her designee, notification to the employee, and proper security clearance has been granted. The visitation shall be scheduled no sooner than two (2) workdays after notification, except in extenuating circumstances as determined by the affected principal. Such observations shall be no longer than one (1) hour in length. Upon request, a building administrator shall be present in the employee's classroom during the entire observation period. District personnel visiting an employee's class during a formal and pre-planned visit for purposes of observing either the employee or students in the employee's classroom shall do so only after the employee has been notified by the principal. Each visit shall require the observer to provide feedback to the employee within a reasonable period of time. Employees should be able to perform their professional responsibilities free from unnecessary interruptions or disturbances. To the extent possible, maintenance, custodial and construction work will be done at a time or in a manner which will not result in interruptions or disturbances of the employee's professional responsibilities. The same shall apply to the use of intercommunication systems. > > > > > > Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! > Lesli > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 All valid points!! Sometimes I think rules are kind of "made up as they go." However, I have nothing against the school, teacher or anyone else and my son has flourished at this school. At times, I just get the feeling that I'm the only parent asking for accountability......and some individuals that I've met haven't appreciated being questioned. Nuff said.... Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Well, I have my next monthly meeting tomorrow where I plan on speaking about this dilemma....again. So, I will let you know if we can find some kind of resolution and maybe it will help you, as well. Lesli Observation Question Can anyone shed some light on this situation for me........My son is currently in a center school in Citrus County, Florida. I want to observe him in his classroom but the school doesn't have two way mirrors in the room and I know that I will not get a true picture of what he does in the classroom if he sees me. I've asked the school if they will allow me to observe via the closed circuit monitor but they have stated that their lawyer says that this is illegal for them to do. Okay, I've been an exceptional education teacher in the state of Florida for over twenty two years and have never had issues with anyone observing my classroom or students, when permission has been granted. Now I want to find some way to observe my own son and I keep hitting a brick wall. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Lesli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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