VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid, inconsiderate face...

[Guest guest]

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination... &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness...he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because... & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria...it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

[Guest guest]

Kandi,

Sorry to hear you had to go through that with the idiot. But from my own

experience, I would have told you to stay 1,000 miles away from him. MOST Endo's

are USELESS. I have hypothyroidism and was on synthroid for 11 years - only

went down hill from there. Most people do. Now, find yourself a D.O. doctor to

work with you on your thyroid issues as most of them are more believing and use

more natural/alternative treatments. I am on Armour thyroid and it is doing

wonders for me. Armour has been around for over 100 yrs - NO SIDE EFFECTS!..but

takes lots of work with you and your doctor to find the correct dosage. Go to:

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com web site and do a little reading on thyroid

problems. And find a new doctor, that one is worthless. IF you have any

questions, let me know and I will be more than happy to assist in any way I can.

Good luck.

Christi Randall

www.singingwomenoftexas.com

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

[Guest guest]

Kandi,

I feel your pain! Last fall my Neurologist sent me to a pain management doctor.

I waited only a short time before this man came in. He asked me, " what brings

you in today Ms. Bunt? " I started to tell him and he shushed me! He said I am

reading your notes........Okay! I sat there in shock and he NEVER touched me or

asked me any other questions. He told me you need therapy and the water aerobics

you are doing is a waste of time! WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING? He left the room and

the nurse walked in with instructions for my first therapy. It was in a town

that was further than the town ALL of my doctors are. I told her I AM NOT going

there.....and I asked her if he had prescribed me any pain medication. (I was

hurting so bad it hurt just to talk) She left the room and I heard her ask him

and he said, " She is on enough medication she is not in pain! " OK??? I came in

walking on a cane, crying in pain and he wants to be an A**? I left the clinic

and never returned. I

told my Neurologist about his actions towards me and he could not apologize

enough. I also reported this jerk to the Hospital in which he is affilitated

with here. I really do understand what you are saying. You go to these doctors

for help and there's only a few that really really listen to you. Don't go back!

You don't have to take that from him. Report him to the facility and find

someone else....life is too short!

Debra B

Gladewater, Texas

VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid, inconsiderate

face...

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination. .. &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness.. .he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!! !! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because. .. & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria. ..it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

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Kandi,

I'm sorry...what a complete jerk. Every day I get more and more amazed at the

stupidity out there running around in white coats. It is very scary. I hope you

find someone with a brain and a bedside manner. Take care,

/Mi

VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid,

inconsiderate face...

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination... &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness...he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because... & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria...it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

[Guest guest]

Kandi,

Do you have any type of Dr. that believes in your fibro? If so, why don't you

read Dr. Teitlebaums books and see if your dr. will help you do the program.

The first thing they check is your thyroid, and to him, testing on the low end

of normal is considered not normal. They will also check your adrenals and

other hormones. Just a thought...

~Jill

VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid,

inconsiderate face...

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination. .. &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness.. .he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!! !! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because. .. & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria. ..it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

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They are the typical a$$holes of this world. Hope they get their paybacks.

GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

hugs,

Debra V.

jill larion wrote:

Kandi,

Do you have any type of Dr. that believes in your fibro? If so, why don't you

read Dr. Teitlebaums books and see if your dr. will help you do the program. The

first thing they check is your thyroid, and to him, testing on the low end of

normal is considered not normal. They will also check your adrenals and other

hormones. Just a thought...

~Jill

VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid, inconsiderate

face...

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination. .. &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness.. .he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!! !! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because. .. & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria. ..it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

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Sounds very familiar to my experience with the pain specialist. At least he

admitted to me that he is more of a spine doctor. like if you have disk

problems or something like that. Totally useless. As with you. physical

therapy. I've done the physical therapy before and the only thing that felt

good was the electrode thing (like a big Tens unit) and the heat that they

put on me. Of course, one I left the office I was in pain again.

Tigger (Ruth) in Rhode Island

_____

From: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group

[mailto:Fibromyalgia_Support_Group ] On Behalf Of debra bunt

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:32 PM

To: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group

Subject: Re: VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid,

inconsiderate face...

Kandi,

I feel your pain! Last fall my Neurologist sent me to a pain management

doctor. I waited only a short time before this man came in. He asked me,

" what brings you in today Ms. Bunt? " I started to tell him and he shushed

me! He said I am reading your notes........Okay! I sat there in shock and he

NEVER touched me or asked me any other questions. He told me you need

therapy and the water aerobics you are doing is a waste of time! WHAT ARE

YOU KIDDING? He left the room and the nurse walked in with instructions for

my first therapy. It was in a town that was further than the town ALL of my

doctors are. I told her I AM NOT going there.....and I asked her if he had

prescribed me any pain medication. (I was hurting so bad it hurt just to

talk) She left the room and I heard her ask him and he said, " She is on

enough medication she is not in pain! " OK??? I came in walking on a cane,

crying in pain and he wants to be an A**? I left the clinic and never

returned. I

told my Neurologist about his actions towards me and he could not apologize

enough. I also reported this jerk to the Hospital in which he is affilitated

with here. I really do understand what you are saying. You go to these

doctors for help and there's only a few that really really listen to you.

Don't go back! You don't have to take that from him. Report him to the

facility and find someone else....life is too short!

Debra B

Gladewater, Texas

VENT TIME! - the urge to punch a dr. in his stupid,

inconsiderate face...

I haven't been on much lately. It's not been the best of weeks. I've

been trying to catch up & thought I'd share my experience today. So,

here's one I'm sure you can all relate too. I went to a follow up

appoint. w/the endocrinologist this morning. The 1st visit I actually

saw the nurse practitioner, which was fine...she was nice. But today I

saw the actual dr...he was not so nice. First, let me say that I went

to an endo. to begin with because I have a lot of " hormonal imbalance "

type symptoms that go along with all the fibro crap, so I thought I

should get my thyroid, etc. checked out. I know a lot of us do have

problems with our thyroids or with weird hormonal fluctuations so I

wanted to at least get to the bottom of that...since there is no

bottom of fibro to get to. Anyway...I went in there all prepared w/my

list of questions & symptoms to not forget. When he finally asks me

what's going on, I tell him " ok, I have everything written down here. "

He says " I don't like that. " Then mumbles some jibberish about knowing

what my symptoms are...not having to write them down...blah, blah.

Long story short, he shoots down EVERY SINGLE question or idea I had

by telling me that my bloodwork doesn't show any abnormalities. He

didn't so much as TOUCH me, let alone do any type of examination. .. &

my friggin hair is FALLING OUT! That, he says " you can live with. " Oh

ok, I'm sorry, nobody told me that you only treat people with LIFE

THREATENING symptoms! What the??? And the sudden extreme breast

tenderness.. .he says " see your ob/gyn. " Well, hormones cause breast

tenderness correct? And endocrinology is in fact the study of hormones

right? Well then, who's not doing his job? It just went on & on. Then

this one's my favorite...he says, " you've got to stop trying to be

your own doctor. " AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!! !! Are you kidding me?

Then I'd had it. I told him that I HAD to be my own doctor because no

one else was doing it for me & no one is giving me any answers & I

KNOW that somethings not right with my hormones! After I freaked out a

little, then he said, well " we can check your estrogen if if would

make you feel better " ...but he said " feel better " as if he was just

appeasing a crazy woman. And he also then offered to prescribe me a

very low dose of Synthroid to just see...if it made me " feel

better " ...because. .. & now he admits it...that my thyroid is in fact a

little on the low end. See, early on in this conversation I'd told him

that my only real diagnosis so far has been fibromyalgia. I saw him

make a little note on his paper & I knew that was it for me. He had me

pegged & there was no getting through to him, so I eventually gave up.

He handed me my scripts, looked at me & said " try to relax a little. "

<insert tons of swearing here> Don't you absolutely HATE that when

they ASSUME that it's anxiety that is causing your problems? If you're

a woman, have symptoms they can't explain, have everything written

down, do your own research...it has to be coming from anxiety or

depression or hypochondria. ..it couldn't possibly be that they're just

not listening, not doing their job good enough, letting us suffer

needlessly through maybe non-life threatening but certainly not

non-life altering symptoms. Oh, I wanted to punch him so bad! But I

didn't. I just left & I won't be going back.

Ok, I'm done.

One question...anybody have any luck with Synthroid?

Don't know if I wanna try it. I'm afraid of side effects.

Thanks for listening,

Kandi

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