Need help! Aggression has become dangerous

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Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.Thanks.

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You might want to look at her testosterone levels....girls have high testosterone you can contact me and I'll give you information for here in S. Florida - Badillo9@... or 561 482-2855

Testosterone in girls' brains offers clue to autism's cause. Girls with higher testosterone levels at birth are more likely to have poor communication skills and social difficulties at age 10, Australian scientists have discovered. ~Sydney Morning Herald "The girls in the study with greater testosterone exposure - measured from samples of umbilical cord blood stored when they were born - were more likely to show deficiencies in female traits considered positive, such as empathy and social awareness.". Fetal androgen exposure and pragmatic language ability of girls in middle childhood: Implications for the extreme male-brain theory of autismWhitehouse AJ, Maybery MT, Hart R, Mattes E, Newnham JP, Sloboda DM, Stanley FJ, Hickey M.Telethon Institute for Child Health Research, Centre for Child Health Research, University of Western Australia, Australia; Neurocognitive Development Unit, School of Psychology, University of Western Australia, Australia.Psychoneuroendocrinology. 2010 Mar 3. [Epub ahead of print]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20206450Prenatal exposure to testosterone has been shown to affect fetal brain maturation as well as postnatal cognition and behavior in animal studies. Although there are well-established sex-differences in the use of social communication (or 'pragmatic language') in humans, there has been limited investigation of the association between fetal testosterone exposure and postnatal pragmatic language ability. In this prospective study, pragmatic language skills, assessed using a pragmatic language score (PLS), were measured in 78 girls aged 10 years and correlated with testosterone levels in umbilical cord blood. A measure of the biologically active, 'free' fraction of testosterone, the free androgen index (FAI), was positively correlated with the PLS (R=.3). Regression analyses showed that the FAI was a significant, positive predictor of pragmatic language difficulties in girls after controlling for maternal and infant-health variables (B=0.02, 95% confidence interval=0.01-0.04, p=0.02). This is the first prospective study to identify an association between early life testosterone exposure and pragmatic language difficulties in girls. These novel findings are discussed with reference to the 'extreme male-brain' theory of autism.

Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and wha t she could do.

Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

Thanks.

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We got to that point, and decided to put our son on abilify 5mg. It eliminated the rage, and aggression.

Subject: Need help! Aggression has become dangerousTo: "sList " <sList >Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 7:13 AM

Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

Thanks.

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Sounds like a rough night…both physically and emotionally.  My heart goes out to you as I understand the dilemma you are in and the frustration/ fear you must be feeling with no answers.  Sometimes, our lives can feel like we are on a rollercoaster whose track is broken….I hope someone can share some guidance.  From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of MeandmyraingirlSent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:14 AMTo: sList Subject: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well. We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do. Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER. Thanks. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3585 - Release Date: 04/20/11

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I remember reading this. Hope it helps you too.

http://www.multisensorytherapy.org/autism-anxiety/2011/04/18/how-to-minimize-the\

-fluctuation-of-anxiety-outbursts/

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Agree with , many of us have had to deal with physical aggression and it's so hearbreaking. We had to give our son Risperdal a few years ago or he just would've literally beaten me up and he is the sweetest most loving boy. It really helped get him under control.

I hope you get some answers and some relief.

Jane

Need help! Aggression has become dangerous

Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

Thanks.

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I would suggest going to Joe Dimaggio at Hollywood Memorial. They have a mental health building and they are fairly quick. They may ask if you want her to stay but they will also refer you to other mental health facilities and physicians in your area.Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®Sender: sList Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:09:54 -0400To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: RE: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous Sounds like a rough night…both physically and emotionally.  My heart goes out to you as I understand the dilemma you are in and the frustration/ fear you must be feeling with no answers.  Sometimes, our lives can feel like we are on a rollercoaster whose track is broken….I hope someone can share some guidance.  From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of MeandmyraingirlSent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:14 AMTo: sList Subject: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well. We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do. Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER. Thanks. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3585 - Release Date: 04/20/11

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Have you guys seen a DAN Dr.? We use Dr. Rossignal and he is fantastic! He can help you and your family. Here is his # . He has two kids on the spectrum and he knows what you are going through. I will keep your family in my prayers.

Need help! Aggression has become dangerous

Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

Thanks.

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I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive

violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a

genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son

takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this.

We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it

or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was

done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how

upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to

have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help.

Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache,

etc.

A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him

during an " episode " As soon as he starts to " get of kilter " I usually take him

to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will

fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have

to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is

to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type

things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to

deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and

we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my

son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to

take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the

things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this

problem, but there are some things we can do to make it a little less upsetting.

Glenda

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> Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be

controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her.

She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to

the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

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> We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her

caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a

psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

>

> We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they

will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to

be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim

until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd

say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

>

> Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a

solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next

time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

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> Thanks.

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Have you had her check for seizures? This sounds so similar to what we have just gone through. Please let me know and then I might have more information for you. Keep your chin up you'll find something that will help her but it might take some time!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: sList Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous We got to that point, and decided to put our son on abilify 5mg. It eliminated the rage, and aggression.Subject: Need help! Aggression has become dangerousTo: "sList " <sList >Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 7:13 AM Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.Thanks.

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Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18 and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD and anxiety. The whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down (testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...

I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less upsetting. Glenda>> > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > Thanks.> > > > >>

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Thank you all for your kind words and prayers, we need this. Today I admitted her to the mental health dept at Joe DiMaggio. Although the process took a full day, the staff were very good to us. She will probably be there a few days. It was hard to drop off my baby there especially since she is now so remorseful of her actions and seems to be back to her old self. But in my broken heart somewhere I know it's for the best. While she is there I want to make sure they are working with her neurologist. She may have had a seizure in all this so I want to make sure those other tests are done that another member suggested as well.Oh on one last note, she had been on Risperdal for a very long time. Initially that drug was like liquid gold for her but we noticed lately that although we have increased the dosage it wasn't doing the job. So at this point I'm certainly searching for other alternatives. I will take all of your advice into consideration. Thank You for this list. Without It i would feel so alone. At least now I feel that there are others that can relate and share.Sent from my iPad

I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc.

A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some things we can do to make it a little less upsetting.

Glenda

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> Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

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> We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

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> We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

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> Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

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I went through this last year with my daughter. She was very aggressive and the

police were called by her school on numerous occassions. She was hospitalized

twice. The first time she went to miami childrens and the second time to joe

dimaggio (i would never go back there. The experience was terrible.).

She has been on many medications that did not work but i changed her

psychiatrist and shw finally hit on a good mix. She is doing so much better

now, but it took months to get her stabilized. If you do not have a

psychiatrist, i can recommend Dr. Kothari in boca raton. She has done miracles

for my daughter. We were at the point of considering an inpatient facility if

the situation did not improve and now we are talking about mainstreaming her.

Some things that helped while going through this were to remember that she was

not choosing to do this. . It was her illness. another post said to stay calm.

This was so hard to do, but the intensity of the meltdowns was less if i was

able to stay calm.

I will be thinking of you both as you go through this. Keep your hope and your

faith. Good luck.

Jean Eccleston

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Meandmyraingirl wrote:

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>Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be

controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her.

She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to

the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

>

>We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her

caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a

psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

>

>We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they

will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to

be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim

until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd

say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

>

>Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a

solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next

time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

>

>Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

Testosterone levels area very important. For a good semi-light read that touches

on this issue, read " The autism mothers guide to survival " by

Hemenway, good stuff.

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Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache

Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger

they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural

supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18

and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous

behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD

and anxiety. The whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost

psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down

(testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and

many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these

drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors.Â

We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500

patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a

name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you

will at least be in the right place for help. Â Â Â Badillo9@...

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I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive

violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a

genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son

takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this.

We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it

or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was

done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how

upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to

have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes

it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc.

A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him

during an " episode " As soon as he starts to " get of kilter " I usually take him

to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will

fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have

to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is

to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type

things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to

deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and

we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my

son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to

take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the

things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this

problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less

upsetting.

Glenda

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> Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be

controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She

is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the

home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

>

> We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her

caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a

psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

>

> We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they

will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to

be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim

until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd

say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

>

> Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a

solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next

time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

>

> Thanks.

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There was a study using N-acetyl cysteine on ADHD preschoolers who were

aggressive. We used that dose on our snarly, nasty 280 lb 2o year old bipolar

Aspie, and there was a HUGE, and I mean HUGE difference. He smiles again. Wish

we had known it when he was more violent. And he was. Very.

>

> Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache

Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger

they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural

supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18

and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous

behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD

and anxiety. The whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost

psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down

(testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and

many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these

drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We

have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients

with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a

name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will

at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...

>

> In a message dated 4/20/2011 8:21:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hidden_garnet@... writes:

>

> I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive

violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a

genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son

takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this.

We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it

or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was

done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how

upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to

have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes

it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc.

> A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him

during an " episode " As soon as he starts to " get of kilter " I usually take him

to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will

fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have

to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is

to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type

things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to

deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and

we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my

son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to

take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the

things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this

problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less

upsetting.

> Glenda

>

>

> >

> >

> > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be

controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She

is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the

home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

> >

> > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out

her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a

psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem.

> >

> > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they

will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to

be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim

until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd

say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.

> >

> > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to

a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next

time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,Very interested in N-acetyl cysteine. I see that, in addition to everything else, it can also prevent some types of seizures. What type of dosage are you giving a 280-lb young man? Mine is not far behind at 240.To: sList Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 5:03:51 AMSubject: Re:

Re: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous

There was a study using N-acetyl cysteine on ADHD preschoolers who were aggressive. We used that dose on our snarly, nasty 280 lb 2o year old bipolar Aspie, and there was a HUGE, and I mean HUGE difference. He smiles again. Wish we had known it when he was more violent. And he was. Very.> > Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18 and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD and anxiety. The

whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down (testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...> > >

> I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. > A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his

room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less upsetting. > Glenda> > > >> > > > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > > > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until

all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > > > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------

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Good morning! I hope her stay will find so more answers for you. I was the member that brought up the seizure piece because this sound very close to what we are going through at it was very seizure related. We are now on a new seizure medication that is helping with the large ones but she is still having many smaller ones. We also had to try medication which is working and its abilify and lexapro. Not sure why one did not work for her without the other but we have no more physical aggression right now.I'm not sure how we are given such patience but I'm sure we are all saying I never thought I would be having to do the things we are now having to do with our sweet babies. Not sure of her age but puberty play a huge role in seizures and also periods. I found if we can control periods better then we have less seizures as well. Good luck and just know that there are thousands of us going through the same thing and we need to share our info and stick together to make it through such difficult times that no parent should ever have to go through.KathySent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: sList Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:42:01 -0400To: sList <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: Re: Need help! Aggression has become dangerous Thank you all for your kind words and prayers, we need this. Today I admitted her to the mental health dept at Joe DiMaggio. Although the process took a full day, the staff were very good to us. She will probably be there a few days. It was hard to drop off my baby there especially since she is now so remorseful of her actions and seems to be back to her old self. But in my broken heart somewhere I know it's for the best. While she is there I want to make sure they are working with her neurologist. She may have had a seizure in all this so I want to make sure those other tests are done that another member suggested as well.Oh on one last note, she had been on Risperdal for a very long time. Initially that drug was like liquid gold for her but we noticed lately that although we have increased the dosage it wasn't doing the job. So at this point I'm certainly searching for other alternatives. I will take all of your advice into consideration. Thank You for this list. Without It i would feel so alone. At least now I feel that there are others that can relate and share.Sent from my iPad I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some things we can do to make it a little less upsetting. Glenda>> > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > Thanks.> > > > >>

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Where can this be purchased? Thanks in advance...> > Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18 and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only

aggression but OCD and anxiety. The

whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down (testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...> > >

> I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. > A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his

room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less upsetting. > Glenda> > > >> > > > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > > > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong

medication in the interim until

all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > > > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------

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My daughter was on Risperdol for Bipolar Disorder and it really wasn't doing a very good job at controlling her mood swings. Plus she gained an enormous amount of weight from it. Her doctor then recommended Lametical 200. That works great. The only problem is you have to start with a really small dose and work your way up to the regular dose, which takes about two months time. We had to kind of lock her up in the house and watch her 24/7 for a while but it was definetely worth it. Ask your doctor. I think it is good to control seizures as well. This is a really devastating thing to go through, but remember she will get better and life will get back to normal. We are here for you and understand your pain. Please write often we are praying for you and you and your family are in our thoughts. Always, Sandy

I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his room and

tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some things we can do to make it a little less upsetting. Glenda>> > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat

this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > Thanks.> > > > >>

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It can be purchased at any health foods store or online vitamin store, also places like Vitamin Shoppe.Sent from my Palm Pixi on the Now Network from Sprint

Where can this be purchased? Thanks in advance...> > Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18 and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only

aggression but OCD and anxiety. The

whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down (testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...> > >

> I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. > A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his

room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less upsetting. > Glenda> > > >> > > > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > > > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong

medication in the interim until

all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > > > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------

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They put preschoolers on 2000 mg, we have him at 3000. He also got these

violent storms, and I do indeed believe they are linked to temporal lobe seizure

activity. You can see a prodrome frequently (they will be irritable, like

they are winding up to one) and a postictal period (the storm leaves them

remorseful, but looking like they have had a release from pressure). They

CANNOT help it, even though it looks like they are aware. This may not show up

on EEG, even inpatient ones. Temporal lobes seizures are very subtle sometimes.

Good luck. I had to do daily takedowns on mine, his first admission was age

six. I had to put him in a group home because of it when he was nine because he

was dangerous.

Like i said, I wish I had known then. But I just saw the paper in a journal

this winter.

We did see results at 2000 mg.

he laughs again. He tells jokes again. He can still get mad easily, but the

level does not rise to ridiculous levels, last as long or happen as often.

>

> Hi ,

>

> Very interested in N-acetyl cysteine. I see that, in addition to everything

else, it can also prevent some types of seizures. What type of dosage are you

giving a 280-lb young man? Mine is not far behind at 240.

>

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN sisters

[Guest guest]

Any health food store. Whole foods will carry it with the amino acids like

carnitine and the liver detox stuff. It is one of the three amino acids that

are a precursor to glutathione along with glycine and glutamic acid. If I had

to guess why it works, we know our kids have a problem with too much glutamic

acid (glutamate) a neurotransmitter in the brain. We know they have low

glutathione levels (a major antioxidative stress detoxer in the liver).

If you make a cake using flour milk and eggs, and you had enough flour and eggs

for one cake but enough milk for six cakes, you would have a bunch of milk

leftover spoiling. You cannot make more cakes until you get more of the other

two ingredients. So if I flood you with enough flour and eggs to finish the

milk, you get more cakes, and use up the milk before is spoils.

In this way, if you flood the system with NAC, there would not be as much

glutamate around to cause problems in our kids' brains and you would get bunches

more glutathione.

You need vitamin D3 to make NAC work.

Milk thistle can also raise glutathione, and help protect livers from

antiseizure meds (depakote has a risk of liver failure, especially in kids)

SAM-e can also, but can also induce mania if your kid has bipolar disorder

(another cause for rages) I have a theory that this is in people who are not on

omega 3 fatty acids and have irritable cell membranes and therefore poor signal

transmission in the brain, but this is my own thinking, not based on any paper).

> Where can this be purchased? Thanks in advance...

>

>

>

> >

> > Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache

Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger

they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural

supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18

and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous

behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD

and anxiety. The whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost

psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down

(testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and

many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these

drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We

have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients

with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a

name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will

at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...

> >

> > In a message dated 4/20/2011 8:21:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hidden_garnet@... writes:

> >

> > I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very

aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic

kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those

kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to

control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really

bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a

German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I

know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is

going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help.

Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache,

etc.

> > A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him

during an " episode " As soon as he starts to " get of kilter " I usually take him

to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will

fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have

to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is

to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type

things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to

deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and

we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my

son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to

take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the

things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this

problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less

upsetting.

> > Glenda

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be

controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She

is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the

home. she hurt her caregiver as well.

> > >

> > > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out

her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a

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they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want

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interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never

thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could

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to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end.

Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.

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A word of caution using NAC Nacetylcysteine with autism. The higher functioning kids(Aspies and ADHD) might tolerate it fine, but, this is a sulphur based amino acid needed to make glutathione and children with autism do not absorb well sulphur based supplements due to the state of their GI tracts and will be very reactive. NAC helps detox heavy metals. Not all kids do well on it. So if your child is already violent you might want to consider something else.

There was a study using N-acetyl cysteine on ADHD preschoolers who were aggressive. We used that dose on our snarly, nasty 280 lb 2o year old bipolar Aspie, and there was a HUGE, and I mean HUGE difference. He smiles again. Wish we had known it when he was more violent. And he was. Very.> > Apple pectin and gigas (Korean Herb found in the NOW product Ache Action) will both lower testosterone. The issue is when the kids are younger they have a better chance of keeping the testosterone down with natural supplements. When they hit puberty at 13 or worse yet when they get between 18 and 21, the testosterone is too high to reduce naturally due to the dangerous behaviors. The high testosterone will also increase not only aggression but OCD and anxiety. The whole combination is deadly because behaviors can become almost psychotic. Psychotropic drugs such as resperdal will keep androgens down (testosterone) because prolactin is up. But the side effects are not good and many times the drugs stop working after a while. What is interesting is these drugs are used also with schizophrenics for the rage and psychotic behaviors. We have an office here in Tamarac for Dr. Mark Geier who treats over 1500 patients with autism and high testosterone across the US. This has a name....Hyperandrogenemia and if this is the problem your daughter has, you will at least be in the right place for help. Badillo9@...> > > > I am so sorry for you. My son who weighs 200 lbs. used to have very aggressive violent outbursts. He occasionally still has them. A lot of autistic kids have a genetic marker for excessive testosterone. My son is one of those kids. My son takes niacinamide, and lemon balm as well as stavzor (Depakote) to control this. We keep xanax on hand to give him if the situation gets really bad. Believe it or not eating peas will lower testosterone levels. In fact a German study was done on the effects of peas and beans on testosterone levels. I know how upsetting this is for you. When you see your child's signs that she is going to have an explosive situation, maybe giving her an ibuprofin would help. Sometimes it is hard for our kids to express when they have a headache, earache, etc. > A big thing with my son is staying calm and not being aggressive toward him during an "episode" As soon as he starts to "get of kilter" I usually take him to his room and tell him to stay there until he can calm down. Sometimes he will fall asleep and when he awakens he is as sunny and happy as ever. I often have to remind my husband and other sons not to interfere, as their first response is to become aggressive and to say what my DD son perceives as threatening type things to him, (i.e. knock it off, don't threaten your mother or you'll have to deal with me.) or they yell at him. Sometimes I just put my son in the car and we go for a long ride until he eventually has a good cry and calms down. When my son is having a day when everything seems to frustrate or upset him I try to take him to the beach, the park, or even shopping to get him away from the things that stress him. I don't think there is any real solution to this problem, but there are some thi ngs we can do to make it a little less upsetting. > Glenda> > > >> > > > Yesterday my ASD child's aggression got to the point that it could not be controlled. She was so bad that the police had to be called to restrain her. She is very big and strong. she was very violent and caused a lot of damage to the home. she hurt her caregiver as well.> > > > We do not what caused this as she literally went from one room to seek out her caregiver and start punching. Her neurologist told us to go to the ER for a psych evaluation, though honestly I think this is a neurological problem. > > > > We are going back to the ER today to do this, but since she is now calm they will treat this as non important and make us wait for hours. I just want her to be looked at by a doctor and frankly be given a strong medication in the interim until all the tests can be done. This can not happen again, I never thought I'd say this but we are actually scared of this kid and what she could do.> > > > Any advice? We were there last night till midnight with no clear answers to a solution and I'm afraid it will be the same today. I am at my wits end. Next time I'm afraid that she will send someone else to the ER.> > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------

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The four–to-one preponderance of boys to girls with autism is well known. In addition, a large subset of children and teens with autism show symptoms and signs suggesting increased levels of male hormones, androgens. For the past several years, Dr. Mark Geier has been treating nearly a thousand autistics with testosterone lowering medications and seeing prompt and marked improvement in many behaviors related to elevated androgens. I now have an opportunity to work with Dr. Geier in South Florida. The office is opened in Tamarac. Please take a few minutes to review the list of symptoms and signs of elevated androgen hormones below and let us know if you would like your child to be a candidate for evaluation and possible treatment. Symptoms and Signs of elevated androgens:1. Frequent aggression/frustration (meltdowns)2. Abrupt mood swings3. Unusually increased physical strength4. In boys before puberty, penile erections during bath time5. “humping†pillows, legs, or other objects6. Increased playing with sexual organs or, in teens, frequent masturbation7. Obsessive sexual interest in teens and young adults8. Acne in young children and more severe acne when older9. Balding on the top of the head10. Signs of early puberty (before age ten)a. Early body hair on legs or backb. Early pubic hairsc. Body odor in underarms, needing deodorantd. Early growth spurts11. In Girlsa. Early menstrual cyclesb. Loss of menstrual cyclesc. Abnormal periodsd. Acnee. Increased or excessive hair growth on bodyIf you feel your child may have one or more of these symptoms or signs, please send a short email indicating your interest in Dr. Geier’s clinical work to Dr. Clayman, email address daclayman@... and put the word “ANDROGEN†in the subject line (typically below the address line). or call me 561 251-8398Please note, several of the psychiatric drugs used in autistics can lower testosterone levels and mask their symptoms and signs of elevated androgens. Thus, even if your child does not show the above symptoms and signs, your child may still have abnormally elevated androgen levels in his or her blood.

http://www.heavymetaldetox.net/Research%20Articles/Autism%20 & %20MCT%20Pathways.pdf

Thank you for your consideration and time. A. Clayman, MD