Question about carbohydrates

[Guest guest]

Patients with type 2 diabetes are usually advised to keep a low-fat diet.

Now, a study shows that food with a lot of fat and few carbohydrates could

have a better effect on blood sugar levels and blood lipids.

Sixty-one patients were included in the study of type 2, or adult-onset

diabetes. They were randomized into two groups, where they followed either a

low-carbohydrate (high fat) diet or a low-fat diet.

In both groups, the participants lost approximately 4 kg on average. In

addition, a clear improvement in the glycemic control was seen in the

low-carbohydrate group after six months. Their average blood sugar level

dropped from 7.5 to 7.0A1c (58.5 to 53.7 mmol/mol). This means that the

intensity of the treatment for diabetes could also be reduced, and the

amounts of insulin were lowered by 30%.

Despite the increased fat intake with a larger portion of saturated fatty

acids, their lipoproteins did not get worse. Quite the contrary -- the HDL,

or 'good' cholesterol, content increased on the high fat diet.

No statistically certain improvements, either of the glycemic controls or

the lipoproteins, were seen in the low-fat group, despite the weight loss.

Dr. Fredrik Nyström, who was part of the study, said, " You could ask

yourself if it really is good to recommend a low-fat diet to patients with

diabetes, if despite their weight loss they get neither better lipoproteins

nor blood glucose levels. "

In the low-carbohydrate diet, 50% of the energy came from fat, 20% from

carbohydrates, and 30% from protein. For the low-fat group the distribution

was 30% from fat, 55-60% from carbohydrates, and 10-15% from protein, which

corresponds to the diet recommended by the Swedish National Food Agency.

The participants were recruited from two primary health care centers and met

for four group meetings during the first year of the study. All 61

participants remained in the study for the follow-up.

Dr. Hans Guldbrand who was also part of the study says, " In contrast to most

other studies of this type, we lost no patients at all, which vouches for

the good quality of our data. "

The results of a two-year dietary study led by Hans Guldbrand, general

practitioner, and Fredrik Nyström, professor of Internal Medicine,

Diabetologia, May 2012

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops and

steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I had two

pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple of

fried eggs.

yum yum good eating is always fun.

Harry

promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

[Guest guest]

love pork! this is why I'm the pig! I also love me self and so should all of

you.

Re: Question about carbohydrates

Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops and

steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I had two

pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple of

fried eggs.

yum yum good eating is always fun.

Harry

promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

[Guest guest]

I don't know. 62 patients and they want me to change my life? what

about long term results, 2 years later, 5? I'm sure there are other

factors too this but I am braindead at this hour. shouldhave had more

fat in my turkey burger.

Vicki Meizinger

>

>

>

> Patients with type 2 diabetes are usually advised to keep a low-fat diet.

> Now, a study shows that food with a lot of fat and few carbohydrates could

> have a better effect on blood sugar levels and blood lipids.

>

> Sixty-one patients were included in the study of type 2, or adult-onset

> diabetes. They were randomized into two groups, where they followed

> either a

> low-carbohydrate (high fat) diet or a low-fat diet.

>

> In both groups, the participants lost approximately 4 kg on average. In

> addition, a clear improvement in the glycemic control was seen in the

> low-carbohydrate group after six months. Their average blood sugar level

> dropped from 7.5 to 7.0A1c (58.5 to 53.7 mmol/mol). This means that the

> intensity of the treatment for diabetes could also be reduced, and the

> amounts of insulin were lowered by 30%.

>

> Despite the increased fat intake with a larger portion of saturated fatty

> acids, their lipoproteins did not get worse. Quite the contrary -- the

> HDL,

> or 'good' cholesterol, content increased on the high fat diet.

>

> No statistically certain improvements, either of the glycemic controls or

> the lipoproteins, were seen in the low-fat group, despite the weight loss.

>

> Dr. Fredrik Nyström, who was part of the study, said, " You could ask

> yourself if it really is good to recommend a low-fat diet to patients with

> diabetes, if despite their weight loss they get neither better

> lipoproteins

> nor blood glucose levels. "

>

> In the low-carbohydrate diet, 50% of the energy came from fat, 20% from

> carbohydrates, and 30% from protein. For the low-fat group the

> distribution

> was 30% from fat, 55-60% from carbohydrates, and 10-15% from protein,

> which

> corresponds to the diet recommended by the Swedish National Food Agency.

>

> The participants were recruited from two primary health care centers

> and met

> for four group meetings during the first year of the study. All 61

> participants remained in the study for the follow-up.

>

> Dr. Hans Guldbrand who was also part of the study says, " In contrast

> to most

> other studies of this type, we lost no patients at all, which vouches for

> the good quality of our data. "

>

> The results of a two-year dietary study led by Hans Guldbrand, general

> practitioner, and Fredrik Nyström, professor of Internal Medicine,

> Diabetologia, May 2012

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Tonight I had the pou pou platter, some broccoli and brown rice from a

chinese restaurant.

I ate some of it and put it away for tomorrow.

Becky

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>

>

>

> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I

> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple

> of fried eggs.

> yum yum good eating is always fun.

> Harry

> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

>> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I

>> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

>> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple

>> of fried eggs.

>> yum yum good eating is always fun.

>> Harry

>> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

According to Wiki :

A Pu Pu platter, Pu-Pu platter or pupu platter is a tray of American

Chinese cuisine consisting of an assortment of small meat and seafood

appetizers. A typical pupu platter, as found in American Chinese

cuisine, might include an egg roll, spare ribs, chicken wings, chicken

fingers, beef teriyaki, skewered beef, fried wontons, crab rangoon,

fried shrimp, among other items, accompanied with a small hibachi grill.

> What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

[Guest guest]

Oh, it sounds like what is also called dimsums or something like that.

Sounds good!

Probably a few more carbs than we should be having, oh-oh! But I love

Chinese food.

Re: Re: Question about carbohydrates

> According to Wiki :

>

> A Pu Pu platter, Pu-Pu platter or pupu platter is a tray of American

> Chinese cuisine consisting of an assortment of small meat and seafood

> appetizers. A typical pupu platter, as found in American Chinese

> cuisine, might include an egg roll, spare ribs, chicken wings, chicken

> fingers, beef teriyaki, skewered beef, fried wontons, crab rangoon,

> fried shrimp, among other items, accompanied with a small hibachi grill.

>

>

>

>> What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I would like one of those, just drop the crap and shrimp and

substitute some hot wings.

Cy

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Lee Holbert

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:42 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Re: Question about carbohydrates

According to Wiki :

A Pu Pu platter, Pu-Pu platter or pupu platter is a tray of American

Chinese cuisine consisting of an assortment of small meat and seafood

appetizers. A typical pupu platter, as found in American Chinese

cuisine, might include an egg roll, spare ribs, chicken wings, chicken

fingers, beef teriyaki, skewered beef, fried wontons, crab rangoon,

fried shrimp, among other items, accompanied with a small hibachi grill.

> What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

[Guest guest]

It is different appitizers.

I think like 4 and two of each which means you get 8.

Becky

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

>>> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper

>>> I

>>> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

>>> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a

>>> couple

>>> of fried eggs.

>>> yum yum good eating is always fun.

>>> Harry

>>> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

No grill came with this one since it was delivered.

Becky

Re: Re: Question about carbohydrates

> According to Wiki :

>

> A Pu Pu platter, Pu-Pu platter or pupu platter is a tray of American

> Chinese cuisine consisting of an assortment of small meat and seafood

> appetizers. A typical pupu platter, as found in American Chinese

> cuisine, might include an egg roll, spare ribs, chicken wings, chicken

> fingers, beef teriyaki, skewered beef, fried wontons, crab rangoon,

> fried shrimp, among other items, accompanied with a small hibachi grill.

>

>

>

>> What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Becky

what is poopoo platter?,

sound really funny to me

tonight I had slices of portabella mushrroms with some grilled onions and green

bell peppers with a side of an all veggie salad with romain,spinich,a hand ful

of black olives sliced, sm. cherry tomatos, cucumabers,brocolli, yellow and red

bell peppers, green onions and a hand full of sliced almonds with some lemon for

dressing

then off to a night swim and right now I am sipping on some coffee with a little

peanutbutter and some wheat thins(4) to be exact

yum

then I also started to eat nothing that has flour, nothing white and no sugar

this is what I did for 3 month and I lost tuns of weight, and so now that I am

plateo, I am starting up again

then again, for me it's no big deal I never crave anything and I never have a

appatite

" I would rather walk with God in the dark

than go alone in the light. "

~Blessed, Sugar

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>

>

>

> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I

> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple

> of fried eggs.

> yum yum good eating is always fun.

> Harry

> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>

>

[Guest guest]

ahhaa thanks for the answer just got this one

sugar

" I would rather walk with God in the dark

than go alone in the light. "

~Blessed, Sugar

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

>>> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper

>>> I

>>> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

>>> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a

>>> couple

>>> of fried eggs.

>>> yum yum good eating is always fun.

>>> Harry

>>> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

It is a variety of appitizers from the chinese food menu.

Becky

Re: Question about carbohydrates

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

> > and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper

> I

> > had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

> > I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a

> couple

> > of fried eggs.

> > yum yum good eating is always fun.

> > Harry

> > promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Here in S. CA, they call it dimson. It also includes various type of fish

and soups. When you go into one of the local dimson places, you sit down and

they come around trays of these little plates with 2 or 3 pieces of the

meat, fish, veggie, dumpling etc. and you pick out which ones you want. It

can be rather pricey, so I don't do it very often and usually go with a

couple of other friends to share the cost. It is very, vey tasty.

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Lora Leggett

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:26 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Re: Question about carbohydrates

What is the pou-pou platter? What kind of meat?

Re: Question about carbohydrates

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

>> and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I

>> had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

>> I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple

>> of fried eggs.

>> yum yum good eating is always fun.

>> Harry

>> promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this was really a too small study for too short a time.

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Vicki Meizinger

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:08 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Question about carbohydrates

I don't know. 62 patients and they want me to change my life? what

about long term results, 2 years later, 5? I'm sure there are other

factors too this but I am braindead at this hour. shouldhave had more

fat in my turkey burger.

Vicki Meizinger

>

>

>

> Patients with type 2 diabetes are usually advised to keep a low-fat diet.

> Now, a study shows that food with a lot of fat and few carbohydrates could

> have a better effect on blood sugar levels and blood lipids.

>

> Sixty-one patients were included in the study of type 2, or adult-onset

> diabetes. They were randomized into two groups, where they followed

> either a

> low-carbohydrate (high fat) diet or a low-fat diet.

>

> In both groups, the participants lost approximately 4 kg on average. In

> addition, a clear improvement in the glycemic control was seen in the

> low-carbohydrate group after six months. Their average blood sugar level

> dropped from 7.5 to 7.0A1c (58.5 to 53.7 mmol/mol). This means that the

> intensity of the treatment for diabetes could also be reduced, and the

> amounts of insulin were lowered by 30%.

>

> Despite the increased fat intake with a larger portion of saturated fatty

> acids, their lipoproteins did not get worse. Quite the contrary -- the

> HDL,

> or 'good' cholesterol, content increased on the high fat diet.

>

> No statistically certain improvements, either of the glycemic controls or

> the lipoproteins, were seen in the low-fat group, despite the weight loss.

>

> Dr. Fredrik Nyström, who was part of the study, said, " You could ask

> yourself if it really is good to recommend a low-fat diet to patients with

> diabetes, if despite their weight loss they get neither better

> lipoproteins

> nor blood glucose levels. "

>

> In the low-carbohydrate diet, 50% of the energy came from fat, 20% from

> carbohydrates, and 30% from protein. For the low-fat group the

> distribution

> was 30% from fat, 55-60% from carbohydrates, and 10-15% from protein,

> which

> corresponds to the diet recommended by the Swedish National Food Agency.

>

> The participants were recruited from two primary health care centers

> and met

> for four group meetings during the first year of the study. All 61

> participants remained in the study for the follow-up.

>

> Dr. Hans Guldbrand who was also part of the study says, " In contrast

> to most

> other studies of this type, we lost no patients at all, which vouches for

> the good quality of our data. "

>

> The results of a two-year dietary study led by Hans Guldbrand, general

> practitioner, and Fredrik Nyström, professor of Internal Medicine,

> Diabetologia, May 2012

>

> Related Articles

>

> UCTV

>

<http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/articles/54-feature/12669-uctv-prime-the-s

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>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks dear

thought it sound funny

" I would rather walk with God in the dark

than go alone in the light. "

~Blessed, Sugar

Re: Question about carbohydrates

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops

> > and steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper

> I

> > had two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

> > I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a

> couple

> > of fried eggs.

> > yum yum good eating is always fun.

> > Harry

> > promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What is zatarane?

Re: Question about carbohydrates

Thanks for the good news. I will definitely eat more bacon, pork chops and

steak. I might even throw in a lamb chop or two.To night for supper I had

two pork chops and some Zatarane spanish rice.

I might even have a pork chop in the morning for breakfast with a couple of

fried eggs.

yum yum good eating is always fun.

Harry

promote communism, socialism or nazism, take your pick vote Democrat.

[Guest guest]

http://www.zatarains.com/

It is a Cajun company.

> What is zatarane?