Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 The loss of Joe and Mark within weeks of each other, as well as Quinn and unfortunately many others, sadly illustrates that cholangiocarcinoma is one of the most frightening aspects of this disease, and a fear that we all share. It is otherwise a rare cancer, meaning that there isn't much research focus or funding. It is an insidious cancer, in that it may grow for some time before it is detected. The existing cancer markers and imaging techniques are not reliable in detecting it early enough to qualify for the Mayo clinic's chemo and transplant protocol. My gastroenterologist has said it is most often detected in patients with advanced disease- my interpretation is that this is when the physicians look the hardest, sometimes at the point of transplant. I'd like to propose that one of our scientific focuses could be on funding research on methods for early detection of CCA, particularly in PSC patients where inflammation can confound the interpretation of CA19-9 levels. I will not be able to attend the conference, but would like to suggest that our scientific board consider this topic for a future research focus if funds allow us to expand from our current levels, as well as to suggest it to the Foundation? Martha (MA) UC 1979, PSC, 1992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 -----Original Message----- I'd like to propose that one of our scientific focuses could be on funding research on methods for early detection of CCA, as well as to suggest it to the Foundation? The Foundation is funding research in this area. One of my biggest concerns (among many) is the number of people who have PSC who are never informed of all the facts. We hear it time after time – “the doc said; you have PSC and will need a transplant, but that’s all he told me”. “IF” someone knows the whys and how’s of PSC, they can keep an eye open, be aware of all the pit falls and stay on top of their health as best they can. They at least have a fighting chance. After last years Conference, some people said, “they talked too much about cancer” or “we really felt depressed after hearing them talk about cancer so much”. Even now, there are people who don’t want to talk about cancer, death or rPSC, they don’t even want to read or think about anything bad happening. They say “we know the risks, why talk about it”? Why? Because we owe it to those who have passed from this awful disease, to do everything in our power to stop it! We owe it to them to reach out to everyone who has PSC and inform them of the risks. To let them know they aren’t alone, that we are here and will fight along side of them. We need to tell the world about PSC- Partners, http://www.pscpartners.org the Foundation http://www.pscfoundation.org/ and our partner in the UK PSC Support ( http://www..demon.co.uk/ ) so people can have total access to all the latest information. Have you made a contribution to PSC Partners? Why not? A few years ago I asked everyone to send in a dollar – thinking that if everyone did, we have a tidy sum (we have over a thousand members!) People posted that it wasn’t right for me to say that, I didn’t know how poor people might be. So get ready to be mad at me again! If you haven’t made a contribution to PSC Partners, do it now! There are no more excuses like, “are they for real”, “what will my money be spent on” “how can I trust them”. I understand not everyone can do the “walk”, or has a bunch to send in, I know that, we’re all in the same medical expense boat. But….can you send in a dollar? Maybe a dollar a month? EVERY little bit you can send in helps and clearly says – NO MORE, YOU AREN’T TAKING ONE MORE MEMBER OF THIS GROUP OR ONE MORE PERSON WITH PSC! Please make a donation now: PSC Partners Seeking a Cure 5237 So. Kenton Way Englewood, CO 80111 Thanks for letting me rant, sorry this is long, I know we’re all hurting. TOGETHER IN THE FIGHT, WHATEVER IT TAKES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 AMEN BARB!!! Your post made me angry at PSC not you. How can we just sit back and wait for someone to take an interest…we need to be the loud voices and show we mean business. I think about how much money is raised for breast cancer, autism, etc. and think if we ALL who are affected in some way to PSC would just do something (it doesn’t have to be big or costly) to raise awareness to this dreadful disease, then one day we won’t have to hear “PSC…what is that?” I know the numbers aren’t the same as those diseases, but if we ALL fight…mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, and all the rest…WE CAN BE HEARD! Thank you for your post…I think it is great to get angry at PSC and want to fight it with all we have! Together in the fight…Whatever it takes!!! Joanne (mom of Todd, 21, PSC 01, Crohns 02, Tx twice 03, rPSC 05, Type 1 Diabetes 06, and living life to the fullest with itching 07) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Barb, Just this morning I was emailing Joanne to see if we should let the group know that they can help by contributing to our Virtual Walk even if they are not walking. I'm walking , Ricky, Joanne H.. Joanne G., Deb, Tim , Reggie, are a few of the members that could add your name to their shirt for any amount. Or as Barb said , just send it to Partners as part of our March fundraiser. It is better for a lot of people to do some than for a few to do a lot. Any contribution is a strike at PSC. We are stepping in the right direction, we are starting to get attention. Keep yelling. Thanks Barb, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Martha, Your suggestion for another focus for PSC Partners' support of future research is an excellent one. I'll pass this on to the Scientific Medical Advisory Committee for consideration. Keep the ideas coming! Ricky PSC partners funding for CCA research > The loss of Joe and Mark within weeks of each other, as well as > Quinn and unfortunately many others, sadly illustrates that > cholangiocarcinoma is one of the most frightening aspects of this > disease> I'd like to propose that one of our scientific focuses could be > on > funding research on methods for early detection of CCA, particularly > in PSC patients where inflammation can confound the interpretation of > CA19-9 levels. I will not be able to attend the conference, but would > like to suggest that our scientific board consider this topic for a > future research focus if funds allow us to expand from our current > levels, as well as to suggest it to the Foundation? > > Martha (MA) > UC 1979, PSC, 1992 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Hi Martha; As I understand it, one of the main objectives of the STOPSC registry (funded by the Foundation, and recently by PSC Partners Seeking a Cure) is: " To identify risk factors and biomarkers for the development of cholangiocarcinoma. " https://web.emmes.com/study/psc/about/about.html The last time I talked with Dr. Dennis Black he was planning to prepare an NIH proposal to try to get funding for STOPSC from the " NIH - Development of Disease Biomarkers " program: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/pa-files/PA-05-098.html specifically in order to identify more reliable biomarkers for early detection of cholangiocarcinoma in PSC. I don't know whether this grant proposal was successful. I sincerely hope that it was funded, and that this will propel the CCA research forward. Certainly this topic is of major interest to the Foundation and STOPSC. Best regards, Dave (father of (21); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > I'd like to propose that one of our scientific focuses could be on funding research on methods for early detection of CCA, particularly in PSC patients where inflammation can confound the interpretation of CA19-9 levels. I will not be able to attend the conference, but would like to suggest that our scientific board consider this topic for a future research focus if funds allow us to expand from our current levels, as well as to suggest it to the Foundation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 , Thanks for directing us to the STOPSC registry website. Could you explain a bit more about how it works to support research beyond collecting data on patients? I noticed they didn't have your PSC literature website on the links page. This type of focused website could be useful to researchers in a different way than a PubMed search is. Martha (MA) > Hi Martha; > > As I understand it, one of the main objectives of the STOPSC registry > (funded by the Foundation, and recently by PSC Partners > Seeking a Cure) is: " To identify risk factors and biomarkers for the > development of cholangiocarcinoma. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 I have to agree that cancer is the dreaded gremlin that no one wants to talk about but as I have found out the hard way it is definitely the issue that needs addressing. After my husband died and I prepared for his memorial service, I was looking for more information to have on PSC to raise the awareness among my circle of friends. In trying to describe the disease in a way that the layman might understand I would talk about Walter Payton the football player and his announcement of having PSC and needing a liver transplant but dying of cancer before that occurred. When he first made his announcement my husband and I both thought, great now someone famous can finally bring this disease into the limelight much like Fox has done for Parkinsons. That didn't happen and even more disappointing to me now is that if you go to Walter Paytons website there is barely even a mention of PSC, his foundation has been set up for cancer research. Yes cancer killed him but it most assuredly was a result of the PSC much like my husbands. The biggest thing I want to say to all of you out there still fighting this disease is fight!!! In that I mean don't let your drs become so focused on the liver and transplantation that they lose sight of the whole patient. This is what I feel was the final undoing for my husband and I am kicking myself now for not listening to my inner voice and his inner voice that kept telling us there was more going on in his body than his liver not draining properly and we didn't speak up more. I know nothing can be done for him now by looking back and saying maybe we should have done this or that but I am saying it to everyone here now to hopefully keep you or your loved one from going through the months of misery that we did. My husband in how horrible he felt, how hopeless he felt, how upset he was at what he was putting me through. He was in pain and he was worried about what a burden to me he had become. That all my time was being taken up caring for him that I barely had time for our daughter. Back in January after he came out of ICU if the big picture would have been looked at there and we would have known then that he had cancer and not transplantable then certainly the time that he did have left could have been spent in a much better way than feeling like you were someones science experiment. This is also the reason that I donated his body in the hopes that not another person would have to go through what he went through. Ok I've vented enough. This has not been one of my better days as I have missed him so very much. Though my husband is gone his disease will forever be a part of my life and I keep my fingers crossed that neither of our children will develop it either. Hettinger Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 > > I have to agree that cancer is the dreaded gremlin that no one wants to talk about but as I have found out the hard way it is definitely the issue that needs addressing. > The biggest thing I want to say to all of you out there still fighting this disease is fight!!! ....I am kicking myself now for not listening to my inner voice... > Hettinger - Thank you SO MUCH for continuing to speak up and encourage each of us to fight PSC and the misery that the disease can cause. Your entire post included so many important issues - PSC, cholangiocarcinoma, transplant, and the pain and suffering that accompanies the symptoms PSC causes. Thank you for your strength as you are in the midst of your own grief and loss. I am so sorry that today was a really difficult day. As many others have said in much better words than I, you are truly in our thoughts. I wish words could take away or soften those really bad times. I wish there was a way that when someone hurts so bad, we could send a powerful hug your way, just to be there with you. One last request; if possible, please try to not berate yourself for things you wish could have been handled differently. In the midst of serious illness, you and your husband were doing every thing you possibly could at the time. Even as you wish you had done more or differently, if possible, remind yourself that you did the very best you could at that time. And remember you did everything with love and his best interests as the focus of your decisions. Take care. Joanne (, Ca; mom of , 16, PSC/UC 2-06; JRA 1998) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. WHAT IS PSC FOLKS ASK? I WOULD SAY WALTER PAYTON DIED OF IT.. FOLKS WOULD SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS CANCER... AND WHEN I HEARD HIS WIFE TALK ABOUT WALTERS FOUNDATION THOUGHT GREAT ITS WILL HELP US FOR PSC RESEARCH...NO IT WAS FOR CANCER..PLEASE NOBODY GET ME WRONG CANCER IS A (______) DISEASE AND THEY TO NEED HELP...BUT PSC NEEDS SO MUCH RESEARCH DONE. JEANNE Hettinger wrote: I have to agree that cancer is the dreaded gremlin that no one wants to talk about but as I have found out the hard way it is definitely the issue that needs addressing. After my husband died and I prepared for his memorial service, I was looking for more information to have on PSC to raise the awareness among my circle of friends. In trying to describe the disease in a way that the layman might understand I would talk about Walter Payton the football player and his announcement of having PSC and needing a liver transplant but dying of cancer before that occurred. When he first made his announcement my husband and I both thought, great now someone famous can finally bring this disease into the limelight much like Fox has done for Parkinsons. That didn't happen and even more disappointing to me now is that if you go to Walter Paytons website there is barely even a mention of PSC, his foundation has been set up for cancer research. Yes cancer killed him but it most assuredly was a result of the PSC much like my husbands. The biggest thing I want to say to all of you out there still fighting this disease is fight!!! In that I mean don't let your drs become so focused on the liver and transplantation that they lose sight of the whole patient. This is what I feel was the final undoing for my husband and I am kicking myself now for not listening to my inner voice and his inner voice that kept telling us there was more going on in his body than his liver not draining properly and we didn't speak up more. I know nothing can be done for him now by looking back and saying maybe we should have done this or that but I am saying it to everyone here now to hopefully keep you or your loved one from going through the months of misery that we did. My husband in how horrible he felt, how hopeless he felt, how upset he was at what he was putting me through. He was in pain and he was worried about what a burden to me he had become. That all my time was being taken up caring for him that I barely had time for our daughter. Back in January after he came out of ICU if the big picture would have been looked at there and we would have known then that he had cancer and not transplantable then certainly the time that he did have left could have been spent in a much better way than feeling like you were someones science experiment. This is also the reason that I donated his body in the hopes that not another person would have to go through what he went through. Ok I've vented enough. This has not been one of my better days as I have missed him so very much. Though my husband is gone his disease will forever be a part of my life and I keep my fingers crossed that neither of our children will develop it either. Hettinger Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hi Martha; Sorry for not responding sooner. Although it is quite early days for the STOPSC registry, I think that what they will be trying to accomplish is something similar to what is being accomplished with the psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis registries: Gladman DD, Ritchlin C, Helliwell PS. Psoriatic arthritis clinical registries and genomics. Ann Rheum Dis. 2005 Mar;64 Suppl 2:ii103-5. PMID: 15708920. http://ard.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/64/suppl_2/ii103 Elder JT. Psoriasis clinical registries, genetics, and genomics. Ann Rheum Dis. 2005 Mar;64 Suppl 2:ii106-7. MID: 15708921. http://ard.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/64/suppl_2/ii106 These registries offer the opportunity to follow a large number of patients over a long period of time, identify genetic (and environmental) risk factors for disease initiation and progression, help find clues as to pathogenesis, and coordinate clinical trials of emerging therapies. It's very costly to set up and maintain a registry, but the family has been very generous in getting the STOPSC registry started. We should all want to see this effort succeed, and PSC Partners Seeking a Cure funding of the registry makes good sense. Perhaps in the future, when the registry gets well established, we could be involved in their patient education efforts? Right now the STOPSC registry is funded soley by families afflicted by PSC (i.e. the s, and PSC Partners Seeking a Cure). The hope is that NIH will eventually contribute funds to maintain it. I'm sure that the researchers involved with STOPSC are already familiar with the literature. The PSC Literature site was mostly developed for the benefit of patients and caregivers. Best regards, Dave R. > , Thanks for directing us to the STOPSC registry website. Could you explain a bit more about how it works to support research beyond collecting data on patients? > I noticed they didn't have your PSC literature website on the links page. This type of focused website could be useful to researchers in a different way than a PubMed search is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 , I too want to thank you for sharing your thoughts about Mark's care and experience with CCA. I deeply appreciate your care for others with PSC even as you have lost your dear spouse. I agree with Ivor in calling for a best practice guide to PSC care for physicians. Maybe the article just posted is a good start. Unfortunately it's not on my library's journal list. Curr Treat Options Gastroenterol. 2007 Mar;10(2):111-9. Treatment of primary sclerosing cholangitis. Rost D, Kulaksiz H, Stiehl A > The biggest thing I want to say to all of you out there still fighting this disease is fight!!! In that I mean don't let your drs become so focused on the liver and transplantation that they lose sight of the whole patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 While it shouldn't ease your conscience if you can donate to PSC Partners but are sitting on the fence, this year I'm making the minimum donation that Barb suggested to PSC Partners for EVERY single member of the PSC support board, as of tonight, in honor of all who have fought and are fighting and will fight cholangiocarcinoma. I encourage anyone who can donate to do so, but feel free to speak out here no matter what your financial situation may be. Martha (MA) > Have you made a contribution to PSC Partners? Why not? A few years ago > I asked everyone to send in a dollar - thinking that if everyone did, we > have a tidy sum (we have over a thousand members!) > Please make a donation now: > > PSC Partners Seeking a Cure > 5237 So. Kenton Way > Englewood, CO 80111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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