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For years I got red and tingly after lunch... My ears

rang and a migraine followed shortly thereafter. I

couldn't nail down what was causing it until I began

checking lists of migraine-causing foods for ones I

frequently ate at lunch. I finally hit on tomatoes

and onions. Bingo! the tomatoes and onions in my

salads and sandwiches were causing my symptoms. I read

up a little and learned that both are in a family of

plants called " nightshades " that many people don't

tolerate. The group includes peppers, tomatoes,

onions, eggplant, and potatoes (PEPTO). I'm usually ok

if they're well-cooked, but very unhappy (and red), if

they're raw. I haven't eaten a raw tomato in at least

five years.

I just realized that wheat is an aggrevant also. I

suggest you eliminate a suspected food for 10 days and

then eat some of it when your stomach is relatively

empty and wait and see what happens. Note the results

then wait a few days and try again with the same food.

It's hard to tell what is bothering you when you have

all of the ingredients of a meal mixed together.

Although I've eaten wheat for years, when I tried this

experiment, I was appalled at the results. One side of

my nose stuffed up within minutes and I developed a

funny, sharp itch high in my sinus, and then broke out

with pustules.

There you have it!

Suzi

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I never really thought about food triggers either,

until last night after a dinner of pizza. I'm sure it

was the tomato sauce. I almost never flare a really

deep red anymore, (since altering my diet) but the

color was there none the less. I just drank some cold

water and splashed some on my face too. In about 1/2

hr I was back to a light pink (which is lighter than

normal lately due to, I believe, washing twice a day

with ground oatmeal mixed with a little water). My

papules/pustules have also decreased a great deal

since taking red clover. I am close to that time of

the month, which used to be a big flare time for me

acne wise, and I have hardly a bump! If anyone

decides to use red clover, don't make the mistake I

did and get it with cascara sagrada bark in it (herbal

laxative), make sure to check the label! I am on the

prowl right now for just plain red clover.

:)

--- dklein1016@... wrote:

> Hey everyone,

> When you all say that you know a certain food

> triggered your flare, is

> it that obvious that the food did it? I KNOW that

> heat and a stressful

> conference call turn me beet red..instantly. But I

> just can't get real

> evidence of a food trigger. I just had a salad for

> lunch w/ vinegar

> dressing. i felt a little itchy/tingly on my face

> after...but that

> could have been a little sun or heat..or just

> nerves. Maybe if you

> guys told me how you know definitively that it was

> what you just ate

> that may help me figure out is I do. Thanks so much.

>

>

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I don't know what it is popularly called, but I haven't seen anyone

on this list refer to a diagnostic tool than can be called muscle

testing. Back in the 70's I used to do a lot of this with a friend to

find foods that were tolerated, vitamin dosages etc. It really worked

very well.

You need a second person. You take your arm and extend the upper arm

outward, horizontally, at right angles to your body, while standing

up. Fold your elbow and make a fist, so that your fist comes close to

your jaw or cheek. Next have the assistant push downwards at the

elbow, as if trying to force your arm to your side. You resist this

with all of your strength. You and the assistant will feel the forces

of resistance and gauge how strong you are.

Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body.

Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm.

If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with

the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible,

your arm will be much, much weaker. Subjects will often say " you

pressed differently the second time., " (implying maybe a lot harder)

but the person pressing will say " Yes, I didn't have to press

anywhere near as hard the second time -- you really became noticeably

weaker. "

It really works. We were using Shaklee natural rose hip vitamin C in

those days (is Shaklee still around?), and found that my friend could

take about 11 tablets of 500 mg. Above that amount, on almost a daily

basis, his body said NO. It varied a bit from day to day. I had the

idea that the Vitamin C was unbalanced. so we added three oranges

held in his left hand. Then we could go above the 11 tablets to about

15. Adding still more oranges, more tablets could be added, until

(he-he-he) his arms were loaded with about 8-10 oranges and holding

about 20 tablets.

You can also try this with sugar. About 1/4 teaspoon, maybe even

less, will make you go weak. Wheat products can also be tested in

this way.

I often thought that a small wall-mounted machine could be used to

assist people in such testing, applying a force and measuring the

pressure applied before the breaking point (not your bone breaking!

just your resistance to the pressure). A small microcomputer inside

could then give a reading. Hmm. I haven't thought of this idea in

years. Now might be a good time to try designing one.

Ray

---( level-1 text from Suzi LeBaron. T = 27.04.2001 on 12:54 -0700 )---

>For years I got red and tingly after lunch... My ears

>rang and a migraine followed shortly thereafter. I

>couldn't nail down what was causing it until I began

>checking lists of migraine-causing foods for ones I

>frequently ate at lunch. I finally hit on tomatoes

>and onions. Bingo! the tomatoes and onions in my

>salads and sandwiches were causing my symptoms. I read

>up a little and learned that both are in a family of

>plants called " nightshades " that many people don't

>tolerate. The group includes peppers, tomatoes,

>onions, eggplant, and potatoes (PEPTO). I'm usually ok

>if they're well-cooked, but very unhappy (and red), if

>they're raw. I haven't eaten a raw tomato in at least

>five years.

>

>I just realized that wheat is an aggrevant also. I

>suggest you eliminate a suspected food for 10 days and

>then eat some of it when your stomach is relatively

>empty and wait and see what happens. Note the results

>then wait a few days and try again with the same food.

>It's hard to tell what is bothering you when you have

>all of the ingredients of a meal mixed together.

>

>Although I've eaten wheat for years, when I tried this

>experiment, I was appalled at the results. One side of

>my nose stuffed up within minutes and I developed a

>funny, sharp itch high in my sinus, and then broke out

>with pustules.

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can we say " parlor game " ?

>>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body.

Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm.

If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with

the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible,

your arm will be much, much weaker.<<

i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay

down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have

them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... "

i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!!

i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural

way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm

not open to suggestions of any sort.

should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a

gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back

any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will.

i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak

when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE)

anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of

other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!!

gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up.

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Bravo Syd. I almost replied with something similar. Abracadabra!

Re: Food triggers Q

> can we say " parlor game " ?

>

> >>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body.

> Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm.

> If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with

> the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible,

> your arm will be much, much weaker.<<

>

> i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed,

lay

> down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides,

have

> them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so

on...... "

>

> i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!!

> i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the

natural

> way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think

i'm

> not open to suggestions of any sort.

> should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a

> gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit

back

> any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will.

> i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so

weak

> when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a

JOKE)

> anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of

> other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!!

> gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up.

>

> syd

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---( level-1 text from Crzy4Pizza@.... T = 28.04.2001 on 11:47 -0400 )---

>can we say " parlor game " ?

>

>>>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body.

>Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm.

>If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with

>the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible,

>your arm will be much, much weaker.<<

>

>i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay

>down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have

>them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... "

>

>i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!!

>i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural

>way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm

>not open to suggestions of any sort.

>should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a

>gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back

>any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will.

>i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak

>when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE)

>anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of

>other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!!

>gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up.

>

> syd

You disbelievers can check it out. I learned this from a chiropractor

who had tons of diplomas on acupressure and acupuncture and other

Eastern healing arts. He and his wife had a very successful practice

in Canyon Country, California, and then moved to Hawaii (circa 1980).

They used to do evening demonstrations of various diagnostic methods

like this. They used it to determine nutritional supplement dosages,

etc.

You can laugh, I don't give a darn. I have seen it, used it, and it

works to determine what is an allergy and what is compatible. An

alternative method is use of a pendulum. These things can be found in

alternative healing books. They are documented.

There is no need for four-letter expletives. You may smile privately, however.

Ray

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---( level-1 text from Crzy4Pizza@.... T = 28.04.2001 on 11:47 -0400 )---

>can we say " parlor game " ?

>

>>>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body.

>Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm.

>If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with

>the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible,

>your arm will be much, much weaker.<<

>

>i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay

>down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have

>them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... "

>

>i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!!

>i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural

>way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm

>not open to suggestions of any sort.

>should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a

>gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back

>any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will.

>i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak

>when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE)

>anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of

>other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!!

>gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up.

>

> syd

Well, being prejudged guilty of some invented parlour game, I just

HAD to dig further, so that I could have the last LAUGH...

The technical term for this muscle testing, which escaped me when I

wrote the first response and description is Kinesiology.

It is not exactly obscure. A Google search found more than 135,000

web pages where it is mentioned.

http://dmoz.org/Health/Alternative/Chiropractic/Kinesiology/>

I selected one from that group of links that looked very good:

http://www.drgustafson.com/>

So if Syd is really from a long line of chiropractors, I think she

will have to eat her words. But to be sure that they are not going to

harm your body, Syd, try applied kinesiology.

Ray

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More:

From http://www.kinesiology.net/>

You will note DC (Chiropracters), MD ( " real " doctors), PhD (Piled

High and Deep, not) and osteopaths listed here:

_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____

Kinesiology Net - www.kinesiology.net

Applied Kinesiology, BioEnergetic Kinesiology, Specialized

Kinesiology and Manual Muscle Testing

Applied Kinesiology, AK

www.appliedkinesiology.com

www.icak.com

Goodheart, D.C. - USA

Clinical Kinesiology, CK

www.clinicalkinesiology.com

Alan Beardall, D.C. - USA

Applied Physiology, AP

www.appliedphysiology.com

D. Utt - USA

Touch for Health, TFH

www.touch4health.com

www.tfh.org

F. Thie, D.C. - USA

One Brain

www.onebrain.com

Gordon Stokes - USA

Biokinesiology, BK

www.biokinesiology.com

Barton - USA

Neural Organization Techniques, NOT

www.notint.com

Carl Fererri, D.C. - USA

Brain Gym (Educational Kinesiology)

www.braingym.org

Dennison - USA

Professional Kinesiology Practice, PKP

www.icpkp.com

Bruce Dewe, M.D. / Joan Dewe - New Zealand

Health Kinesiology, HK

www.subtlenergy.com

Jimmy , Ph.D. - Canada

Applied Neurogenics

www.neurogenics.net

Duree / Shanti Duree - USA

Wellness Kinesiology

www.wellnesskinesiology.com

Wayne W. Topping, Ph.D. - USA

Manual Kinesiology, MK

www.manualkinesiology.com

Mac Pompeius Wolontis - Sweden

Transformational Kinesiology, TK

www.transformationalkinesiology.com

Grethe Fremming / Rolf Hausbøl - Denmark

Neuro Emotional Technique, NET

www.netmindbody.com

, D.C. - USA

Kinergetics

www.kinergetics.com.au

Philip Rafferty - Australia

ARK (Clinical Kinesiology, CK)

www.arkinternational.co.uk

Holding, D.O. - England, UK

NOTE:

There are around 50 methods of muscle testing kinesiology in the world today.

The one's listed here have registered an Internet domain-name

dedicated to the specific method or is the official web site of the

method.

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Isn't this a ROSACEA support group and not a KINESIOLOGY group??

Re: Food triggers Q

More:

From http://www.kinesiology.net/>

You will note DC (Chiropracters), MD ( " real " doctors), PhD (Piled

High and Deep, not) and osteopaths listed here:

_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____

Kinesiology Net - www.kinesiology.net

Applied Kinesiology, BioEnergetic Kinesiology, Specialized

Kinesiology and Manual Muscle Testing

Applied Kinesiology, AK

www.appliedkinesiology.com

www.icak.com

Goodheart, D.C. - USA

Clinical Kinesiology, CK

www.clinicalkinesiology.com

Alan Beardall, D.C. - USA

Applied Physiology, AP

www.appliedphysiology.com

D. Utt - USA

Touch for Health, TFH

www.touch4health.com

www.tfh.org

F. Thie, D.C. - USA

One Brain

www.onebrain.com

Gordon Stokes - USA

Biokinesiology, BK

www.biokinesiology.com

Barton - USA

Neural Organization Techniques, NOT

www.notint.com

Carl Fererri, D.C. - USA

Brain Gym (Educational Kinesiology)

www.braingym.org

Dennison - USA

Professional Kinesiology Practice, PKP

www.icpkp.com

Bruce Dewe, M.D. / Joan Dewe - New Zealand

Health Kinesiology, HK

www.subtlenergy.com

Jimmy , Ph.D. - Canada

Applied Neurogenics

www.neurogenics.net

Duree / Shanti Duree - USA

Wellness Kinesiology

www.wellnesskinesiology.com

Wayne W. Topping, Ph.D. - USA

Manual Kinesiology, MK

www.manualkinesiology.com

Mac Pompeius Wolontis - Sweden

Transformational Kinesiology, TK

www.transformationalkinesiology.com

Grethe Fremming / Rolf Hausbøl - Denmark

Neuro Emotional Technique, NET

www.netmindbody.com

, D.C. - USA

Kinergetics

www.kinergetics.com.au

Philip Rafferty - Australia

ARK (Clinical Kinesiology, CK)

www.arkinternational.co.uk

Holding, D.O. - England, UK

NOTE:

There are around 50 methods of muscle testing kinesiology in the world

today.

The one's listed here have registered an Internet domain-name

dedicated to the specific method or is the official web site of the

method.

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