Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 For years I got red and tingly after lunch... My ears rang and a migraine followed shortly thereafter. I couldn't nail down what was causing it until I began checking lists of migraine-causing foods for ones I frequently ate at lunch. I finally hit on tomatoes and onions. Bingo! the tomatoes and onions in my salads and sandwiches were causing my symptoms. I read up a little and learned that both are in a family of plants called " nightshades " that many people don't tolerate. The group includes peppers, tomatoes, onions, eggplant, and potatoes (PEPTO). I'm usually ok if they're well-cooked, but very unhappy (and red), if they're raw. I haven't eaten a raw tomato in at least five years. I just realized that wheat is an aggrevant also. I suggest you eliminate a suspected food for 10 days and then eat some of it when your stomach is relatively empty and wait and see what happens. Note the results then wait a few days and try again with the same food. It's hard to tell what is bothering you when you have all of the ingredients of a meal mixed together. Although I've eaten wheat for years, when I tried this experiment, I was appalled at the results. One side of my nose stuffed up within minutes and I developed a funny, sharp itch high in my sinus, and then broke out with pustules. There you have it! Suzi __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I never really thought about food triggers either, until last night after a dinner of pizza. I'm sure it was the tomato sauce. I almost never flare a really deep red anymore, (since altering my diet) but the color was there none the less. I just drank some cold water and splashed some on my face too. In about 1/2 hr I was back to a light pink (which is lighter than normal lately due to, I believe, washing twice a day with ground oatmeal mixed with a little water). My papules/pustules have also decreased a great deal since taking red clover. I am close to that time of the month, which used to be a big flare time for me acne wise, and I have hardly a bump! If anyone decides to use red clover, don't make the mistake I did and get it with cascara sagrada bark in it (herbal laxative), make sure to check the label! I am on the prowl right now for just plain red clover. --- dklein1016@... wrote: > Hey everyone, > When you all say that you know a certain food > triggered your flare, is > it that obvious that the food did it? I KNOW that > heat and a stressful > conference call turn me beet red..instantly. But I > just can't get real > evidence of a food trigger. I just had a salad for > lunch w/ vinegar > dressing. i felt a little itchy/tingly on my face > after...but that > could have been a little sun or heat..or just > nerves. Maybe if you > guys told me how you know definitively that it was > what you just ate > that may help me figure out is I do. Thanks so much. > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group. See http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html > > To leave the list send any email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I don't know what it is popularly called, but I haven't seen anyone on this list refer to a diagnostic tool than can be called muscle testing. Back in the 70's I used to do a lot of this with a friend to find foods that were tolerated, vitamin dosages etc. It really worked very well. You need a second person. You take your arm and extend the upper arm outward, horizontally, at right angles to your body, while standing up. Fold your elbow and make a fist, so that your fist comes close to your jaw or cheek. Next have the assistant push downwards at the elbow, as if trying to force your arm to your side. You resist this with all of your strength. You and the assistant will feel the forces of resistance and gauge how strong you are. Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body. Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm. If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible, your arm will be much, much weaker. Subjects will often say " you pressed differently the second time., " (implying maybe a lot harder) but the person pressing will say " Yes, I didn't have to press anywhere near as hard the second time -- you really became noticeably weaker. " It really works. We were using Shaklee natural rose hip vitamin C in those days (is Shaklee still around?), and found that my friend could take about 11 tablets of 500 mg. Above that amount, on almost a daily basis, his body said NO. It varied a bit from day to day. I had the idea that the Vitamin C was unbalanced. so we added three oranges held in his left hand. Then we could go above the 11 tablets to about 15. Adding still more oranges, more tablets could be added, until (he-he-he) his arms were loaded with about 8-10 oranges and holding about 20 tablets. You can also try this with sugar. About 1/4 teaspoon, maybe even less, will make you go weak. Wheat products can also be tested in this way. I often thought that a small wall-mounted machine could be used to assist people in such testing, applying a force and measuring the pressure applied before the breaking point (not your bone breaking! just your resistance to the pressure). A small microcomputer inside could then give a reading. Hmm. I haven't thought of this idea in years. Now might be a good time to try designing one. Ray ---( level-1 text from Suzi LeBaron. T = 27.04.2001 on 12:54 -0700 )--- >For years I got red and tingly after lunch... My ears >rang and a migraine followed shortly thereafter. I >couldn't nail down what was causing it until I began >checking lists of migraine-causing foods for ones I >frequently ate at lunch. I finally hit on tomatoes >and onions. Bingo! the tomatoes and onions in my >salads and sandwiches were causing my symptoms. I read >up a little and learned that both are in a family of >plants called " nightshades " that many people don't >tolerate. The group includes peppers, tomatoes, >onions, eggplant, and potatoes (PEPTO). I'm usually ok >if they're well-cooked, but very unhappy (and red), if >they're raw. I haven't eaten a raw tomato in at least >five years. > >I just realized that wheat is an aggrevant also. I >suggest you eliminate a suspected food for 10 days and >then eat some of it when your stomach is relatively >empty and wait and see what happens. Note the results >then wait a few days and try again with the same food. >It's hard to tell what is bothering you when you have >all of the ingredients of a meal mixed together. > >Although I've eaten wheat for years, when I tried this >experiment, I was appalled at the results. One side of >my nose stuffed up within minutes and I developed a >funny, sharp itch high in my sinus, and then broke out >with pustules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 can we say " parlor game " ? >>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body. Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm. If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible, your arm will be much, much weaker.<< i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... " i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!! i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm not open to suggestions of any sort. should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will. i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE) anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!! gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up. syd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Bravo Syd. I almost replied with something similar. Abracadabra! Re: Food triggers Q > can we say " parlor game " ? > > >>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body. > Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm. > If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with > the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible, > your arm will be much, much weaker.<< > > i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay > down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have > them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... " > > i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!! > i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural > way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm > not open to suggestions of any sort. > should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a > gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back > any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will. > i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak > when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE) > anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of > other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!! > gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up. > > syd > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group. See http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html > > To leave the list send any email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 ---( level-1 text from Crzy4Pizza@.... T = 28.04.2001 on 11:47 -0400 )--- >can we say " parlor game " ? > >>>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body. >Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm. >If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with >the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible, >your arm will be much, much weaker.<< > >i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay >down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have >them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... " > >i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!! >i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural >way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm >not open to suggestions of any sort. >should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a >gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back >any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will. >i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak >when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE) >anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of >other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!! >gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up. > > syd You disbelievers can check it out. I learned this from a chiropractor who had tons of diplomas on acupressure and acupuncture and other Eastern healing arts. He and his wife had a very successful practice in Canyon Country, California, and then moved to Hawaii (circa 1980). They used to do evening demonstrations of various diagnostic methods like this. They used it to determine nutritional supplement dosages, etc. You can laugh, I don't give a darn. I have seen it, used it, and it works to determine what is an allergy and what is compatible. An alternative method is use of a pendulum. These things can be found in alternative healing books. They are documented. There is no need for four-letter expletives. You may smile privately, however. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 ---( level-1 text from Crzy4Pizza@.... T = 28.04.2001 on 11:47 -0400 )--- >can we say " parlor game " ? > >>>Next, hold some food substance in your left hand near to your body. >Repeat the resistance in the downward push on the extended right arm. >If the food is compatible to your body's needs, you will resist with >the same force as before. If the food or substance is incompatible, >your arm will be much, much weaker.<< > >i was waiting for the next paragraph to read... " after this is completed, lay >down on the floor. with other party goers at your head, feet and sides, have >them place their finger tips under you.................so on and so on...... " > >i'm saying this at the risk of being " moderated " but come on folks!!! >i come from a long line of chiropractors and trying to do things the natural >way. lots of alternative medicine going on in my family. so don't think i'm >not open to suggestions of any sort. >should we call " the amazing randy " to do an investigation on this? he's a >gentleman who debunks this sort of thing. anyway, i just couldn't sit back >any longer. this is just my opinion. take it for what you will. >i think i'll have a piece of pizza. oh, better not. i might become so weak >when i pick it up i won't be able to lift it to my mouth. (that's a JOKE) >anyway, i hope i don't get kicked out of this group. i've heard lots of >other crap being spouted here. remember....this is just MY opinion!! >gotta go, the mother ship is trying to beam me up. > > syd Well, being prejudged guilty of some invented parlour game, I just HAD to dig further, so that I could have the last LAUGH... The technical term for this muscle testing, which escaped me when I wrote the first response and description is Kinesiology. It is not exactly obscure. A Google search found more than 135,000 web pages where it is mentioned. http://dmoz.org/Health/Alternative/Chiropractic/Kinesiology/> I selected one from that group of links that looked very good: http://www.drgustafson.com/> So if Syd is really from a long line of chiropractors, I think she will have to eat her words. But to be sure that they are not going to harm your body, Syd, try applied kinesiology. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 More: From http://www.kinesiology.net/> You will note DC (Chiropracters), MD ( " real " doctors), PhD (Piled High and Deep, not) and osteopaths listed here: _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ Kinesiology Net - www.kinesiology.net Applied Kinesiology, BioEnergetic Kinesiology, Specialized Kinesiology and Manual Muscle Testing Applied Kinesiology, AK www.appliedkinesiology.com www.icak.com Goodheart, D.C. - USA Clinical Kinesiology, CK www.clinicalkinesiology.com Alan Beardall, D.C. - USA Applied Physiology, AP www.appliedphysiology.com D. Utt - USA Touch for Health, TFH www.touch4health.com www.tfh.org F. Thie, D.C. - USA One Brain www.onebrain.com Gordon Stokes - USA Biokinesiology, BK www.biokinesiology.com Barton - USA Neural Organization Techniques, NOT www.notint.com Carl Fererri, D.C. - USA Brain Gym (Educational Kinesiology) www.braingym.org Dennison - USA Professional Kinesiology Practice, PKP www.icpkp.com Bruce Dewe, M.D. / Joan Dewe - New Zealand Health Kinesiology, HK www.subtlenergy.com Jimmy , Ph.D. - Canada Applied Neurogenics www.neurogenics.net Duree / Shanti Duree - USA Wellness Kinesiology www.wellnesskinesiology.com Wayne W. Topping, Ph.D. - USA Manual Kinesiology, MK www.manualkinesiology.com Mac Pompeius Wolontis - Sweden Transformational Kinesiology, TK www.transformationalkinesiology.com Grethe Fremming / Rolf Hausbøl - Denmark Neuro Emotional Technique, NET www.netmindbody.com , D.C. - USA Kinergetics www.kinergetics.com.au Philip Rafferty - Australia ARK (Clinical Kinesiology, CK) www.arkinternational.co.uk Holding, D.O. - England, UK NOTE: There are around 50 methods of muscle testing kinesiology in the world today. The one's listed here have registered an Internet domain-name dedicated to the specific method or is the official web site of the method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Isn't this a ROSACEA support group and not a KINESIOLOGY group?? Re: Food triggers Q More: From http://www.kinesiology.net/> You will note DC (Chiropracters), MD ( " real " doctors), PhD (Piled High and Deep, not) and osteopaths listed here: _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ Kinesiology Net - www.kinesiology.net Applied Kinesiology, BioEnergetic Kinesiology, Specialized Kinesiology and Manual Muscle Testing Applied Kinesiology, AK www.appliedkinesiology.com www.icak.com Goodheart, D.C. - USA Clinical Kinesiology, CK www.clinicalkinesiology.com Alan Beardall, D.C. - USA Applied Physiology, AP www.appliedphysiology.com D. Utt - USA Touch for Health, TFH www.touch4health.com www.tfh.org F. Thie, D.C. - USA One Brain www.onebrain.com Gordon Stokes - USA Biokinesiology, BK www.biokinesiology.com Barton - USA Neural Organization Techniques, NOT www.notint.com Carl Fererri, D.C. - USA Brain Gym (Educational Kinesiology) www.braingym.org Dennison - USA Professional Kinesiology Practice, PKP www.icpkp.com Bruce Dewe, M.D. / Joan Dewe - New Zealand Health Kinesiology, HK www.subtlenergy.com Jimmy , Ph.D. - Canada Applied Neurogenics www.neurogenics.net Duree / Shanti Duree - USA Wellness Kinesiology www.wellnesskinesiology.com Wayne W. Topping, Ph.D. - USA Manual Kinesiology, MK www.manualkinesiology.com Mac Pompeius Wolontis - Sweden Transformational Kinesiology, TK www.transformationalkinesiology.com Grethe Fremming / Rolf Hausbøl - Denmark Neuro Emotional Technique, NET www.netmindbody.com , D.C. - USA Kinergetics www.kinergetics.com.au Philip Rafferty - Australia ARK (Clinical Kinesiology, CK) www.arkinternational.co.uk Holding, D.O. - England, UK NOTE: There are around 50 methods of muscle testing kinesiology in the world today. The one's listed here have registered an Internet domain-name dedicated to the specific method or is the official web site of the method. -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group. See http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html To leave the list send any email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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