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I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

them for anything.

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi KO's

> > >

> > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > lists.

> > >

> > > Films;

> > >

> > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > >

> > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > psychological terror!

> > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > their intended victims.

> > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > through

> > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

carefully

> > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

or

> > ruin

> > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > >

> > > Books;

> > >

> > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > 1994

> > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > >

> > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

provoking

> > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

trauma, and

> > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

the

> > > framework of daily life.

> > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

repression, and

> > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

disbelief

> > in

> > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

suffer

> > from.

> > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

recognizing and

> > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

recommend it

> > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > >

> > > " Neverland "

> > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > 2009

> > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

and

> > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

Barrie, the

> > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > >

> > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

to have

> > a

> > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > original

> > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

anything

> > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

intrepid

> > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

malicious

> > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > behaviors.

> > >

> > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

was the

> > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

misuse by

> > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

from

> > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

families.

> > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

elusive yet

> > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

non -

> > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > experience

> > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > >

> > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

those of

> > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

books and

> > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

(

> > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

model,)

> > or

> > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

referring the

> > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

I find

> > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > authors

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

own

> > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

time,

> > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > >

> > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

them for anything.

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi KO's

> > >

> > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > lists.

> > >

> > > Films;

> > >

> > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > >

> > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > psychological terror!

> > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > their intended victims.

> > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > through

> > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

carefully

> > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

or

> > ruin

> > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > >

> > > Books;

> > >

> > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > 1994

> > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > >

> > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

provoking

> > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

trauma, and

> > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

the

> > > framework of daily life.

> > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

repression, and

> > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

disbelief

> > in

> > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

suffer

> > from.

> > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

recognizing and

> > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

recommend it

> > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > >

> > > " Neverland "

> > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > 2009

> > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

and

> > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

Barrie, the

> > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > >

> > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

to have

> > a

> > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > original

> > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

anything

> > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

intrepid

> > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

malicious

> > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > behaviors.

> > >

> > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

was the

> > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

misuse by

> > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

from

> > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

families.

> > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

elusive yet

> > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

non -

> > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > experience

> > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > >

> > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

those of

> > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

books and

> > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

(

> > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

model,)

> > or

> > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

referring the

> > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

I find

> > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > authors

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

own

> > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

time,

> > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > >

> > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

them for anything.

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi KO's

> > >

> > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > lists.

> > >

> > > Films;

> > >

> > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > >

> > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > psychological terror!

> > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > their intended victims.

> > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > through

> > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

carefully

> > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

or

> > ruin

> > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > >

> > > Books;

> > >

> > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > 1994

> > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > >

> > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

provoking

> > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

trauma, and

> > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

the

> > > framework of daily life.

> > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

repression, and

> > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

disbelief

> > in

> > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

suffer

> > from.

> > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

recognizing and

> > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

recommend it

> > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > >

> > > " Neverland "

> > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > 2009

> > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

and

> > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

Barrie, the

> > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > >

> > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

to have

> > a

> > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > original

> > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

anything

> > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

intrepid

> > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

malicious

> > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > behaviors.

> > >

> > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

was the

> > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

misuse by

> > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

from

> > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

families.

> > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

elusive yet

> > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

non -

> > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > experience

> > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > >

> > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

those of

> > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

books and

> > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

(

> > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

model,)

> > or

> > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

referring the

> > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

I find

> > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > authors

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

own

> > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

time,

> > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > >

> > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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I had not heard of those movies -- I'll have to check and see if the local

library has them (free!). Thank you for mentioning them.

I just recently watched " The Accidental Tourist " and the main character

( Hurt) is rather-BPD, and it focuses on the two women in his life,

and, at a certain point we get a glimpse of his mother also, and at that

point you can see where a lot of his issues (and his sibling's issues)

stemmed from! She reminded me of my mother! As he reminded me of some of

my behaviors.

Dana

> **

>

>

> I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

> forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

> and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

> Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

> Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

> Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

> talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

> in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

> them for anything.

>

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi KO's

> > > >

> > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > > > Films;

> > > >

> > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > >

> > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > psychological terror!

> > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > their intended victims.

> > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > through

> > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> carefully

> > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> or

> > > ruin

> > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > >

> > > > Books;

> > > >

> > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > 1994

> > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > >

> > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> provoking

> > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> trauma, and

> > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> the

> > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> repression, and

> > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> disbelief

> > > in

> > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> suffer

> > > from.

> > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> recognizing and

> > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> recommend it

> > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland "

> > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > 2009

> > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> and

> > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> Barrie, the

> > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > >

> > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> to have

> > > a

> > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > original

> > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> anything

> > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> intrepid

> > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> malicious

> > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > behaviors.

> > > >

> > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> was the

> > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> misuse by

> > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> from

> > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> families.

> > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> elusive yet

> > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> non -

> > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > experience

> > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> those of

> > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> books and

> > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> (

> > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> model,)

> > > or

> > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> referring the

> > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> I find

> > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > authors

> > > > themselves.

> > > >

> > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> own

> > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> time,

> > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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I had not heard of those movies -- I'll have to check and see if the local

library has them (free!). Thank you for mentioning them.

I just recently watched " The Accidental Tourist " and the main character

( Hurt) is rather-BPD, and it focuses on the two women in his life,

and, at a certain point we get a glimpse of his mother also, and at that

point you can see where a lot of his issues (and his sibling's issues)

stemmed from! She reminded me of my mother! As he reminded me of some of

my behaviors.

Dana

> **

>

>

> I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

> forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

> and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

> Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

> Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

> Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

> talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

> in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

> them for anything.

>

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi KO's

> > > >

> > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > > > Films;

> > > >

> > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > >

> > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > psychological terror!

> > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > their intended victims.

> > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > through

> > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> carefully

> > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> or

> > > ruin

> > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > >

> > > > Books;

> > > >

> > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > 1994

> > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > >

> > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> provoking

> > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> trauma, and

> > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> the

> > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> repression, and

> > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> disbelief

> > > in

> > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> suffer

> > > from.

> > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> recognizing and

> > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> recommend it

> > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland "

> > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > 2009

> > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> and

> > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> Barrie, the

> > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > >

> > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> to have

> > > a

> > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > original

> > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> anything

> > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> intrepid

> > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> malicious

> > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > behaviors.

> > > >

> > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> was the

> > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> misuse by

> > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> from

> > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> families.

> > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> elusive yet

> > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> non -

> > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > experience

> > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> those of

> > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> books and

> > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> (

> > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> model,)

> > > or

> > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> referring the

> > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> I find

> > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > authors

> > > > themselves.

> > > >

> > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> own

> > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> time,

> > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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Good Morning, Neverman,

I recommended " Death In Love, " with Jacquelyn Bisset (sp?) It is

truly one of the most disturbing films I have ever watched, but, it has

been invaluable in helping me understand the BPD Female. Its definitely not

a date-night film, or one to watch with the kiddies.

I've been trying to describe the film, but keep deleting what I've

written. Maybe it just rang all of my bells, but I experienced this film to

be profoundly disturbing in its graphic exploration of the emotional

cannibalism, lack of compassion and empathy, and hyper-focused dedication

to perversity, self-destruction, and revenge practiced by BPD/NPD

individuals, as well as the ruinous effects these people impose on the

world around them.

While not her typical role, I see this as Bissets finest role,

chillingly executed, with deadly accuracy.

While sexual content is brief, and not visually graphic, it is verbally

and emotionally raw, and re-occurs several times in the film. There is

a very brief view of a Nazi Mengela-esque institution at the beginning of

the film, and a brief but ghastly moment of self destruction, when one of

her sons breaks down.

I'll look forward to viewing " Clash By Night " on your recommendation!

Warm Regards, Sunspot

> **

>

>

> I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

> forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

> and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

> Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

> Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

> Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

> talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

> in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

> them for anything.

>

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi KO's

> > > >

> > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > > > Films;

> > > >

> > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > >

> > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > psychological terror!

> > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > their intended victims.

> > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > through

> > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> carefully

> > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> or

> > > ruin

> > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > >

> > > > Books;

> > > >

> > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > 1994

> > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > >

> > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> provoking

> > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> trauma, and

> > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> the

> > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> repression, and

> > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> disbelief

> > > in

> > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> suffer

> > > from.

> > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> recognizing and

> > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> recommend it

> > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland "

> > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > 2009

> > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> and

> > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> Barrie, the

> > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > >

> > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> to have

> > > a

> > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > original

> > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> anything

> > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> intrepid

> > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> malicious

> > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > behaviors.

> > > >

> > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> was the

> > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> misuse by

> > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> from

> > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> families.

> > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> elusive yet

> > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> non -

> > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > experience

> > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> those of

> > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> books and

> > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> (

> > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> model,)

> > > or

> > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> referring the

> > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> I find

> > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > authors

> > > > themselves.

> > > >

> > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> own

> > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> time,

> > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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Wow, I think that film made me dissociate. I actually rented " Death in Love "

from NetFlix, and had it for a couple of weeks, and I always watch the dvds that

arrive at least three times.

I remember running it. But now, I have no recollection of the plot, what the

characters looked like, or anything after the opening of the film. All I

remember is the opening, and those flashes of hospital scenes/Nazi experiments

intercut with sex scenes, and the male narrator saying something about having

sex with old women vs having sex with young women... and that's it.

It would probably be useful for me to explore in therapy why I found the film so

triggering that I can't remember most of it!

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi KO's

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > > lists.

> > > > >

> > > > > Films;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > > psychological terror!

> > > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > > their intended victims.

> > > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > > through

> > > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> > carefully

> > > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> > or

> > > > ruin

> > > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > > >

> > > > > Books;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > > 1994

> > > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> > provoking

> > > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> > trauma, and

> > > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> > the

> > > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> > repression, and

> > > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> > disbelief

> > > > in

> > > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> > suffer

> > > > from.

> > > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> > recognizing and

> > > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> > recommend it

> > > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland "

> > > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > > 2009

> > > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> > and

> > > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> > Barrie, the

> > > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> > to have

> > > > a

> > > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > > original

> > > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> > anything

> > > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> > intrepid

> > > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> > malicious

> > > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > > behaviors.

> > > > >

> > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> > was the

> > > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> > misuse by

> > > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> > from

> > > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> > families.

> > > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> > elusive yet

> > > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> > non -

> > > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > > experience

> > > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> > those of

> > > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> > books and

> > > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> > (

> > > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> > model,)

> > > > or

> > > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> > referring the

> > > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> > I find

> > > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > > authors

> > > > > themselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> > own

> > > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> > time,

> > > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Wow, I think that film made me dissociate. I actually rented " Death in Love "

from NetFlix, and had it for a couple of weeks, and I always watch the dvds that

arrive at least three times.

I remember running it. But now, I have no recollection of the plot, what the

characters looked like, or anything after the opening of the film. All I

remember is the opening, and those flashes of hospital scenes/Nazi experiments

intercut with sex scenes, and the male narrator saying something about having

sex with old women vs having sex with young women... and that's it.

It would probably be useful for me to explore in therapy why I found the film so

triggering that I can't remember most of it!

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi KO's

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > > lists.

> > > > >

> > > > > Films;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > > psychological terror!

> > > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > > their intended victims.

> > > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > > through

> > > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> > carefully

> > > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> > or

> > > > ruin

> > > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > > >

> > > > > Books;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > > 1994

> > > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> > provoking

> > > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> > trauma, and

> > > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> > the

> > > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> > repression, and

> > > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> > disbelief

> > > > in

> > > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> > suffer

> > > > from.

> > > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> > recognizing and

> > > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> > recommend it

> > > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland "

> > > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > > 2009

> > > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> > and

> > > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> > Barrie, the

> > > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> > to have

> > > > a

> > > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > > original

> > > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> > anything

> > > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> > intrepid

> > > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> > malicious

> > > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > > behaviors.

> > > > >

> > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> > was the

> > > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> > misuse by

> > > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> > from

> > > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> > families.

> > > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> > elusive yet

> > > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> > non -

> > > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > > experience

> > > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> > those of

> > > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> > books and

> > > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> > (

> > > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> > model,)

> > > > or

> > > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> > referring the

> > > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> > I find

> > > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > > authors

> > > > > themselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> > own

> > > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> > time,

> > > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Wow, I think that film made me dissociate. I actually rented " Death in Love "

from NetFlix, and had it for a couple of weeks, and I always watch the dvds that

arrive at least three times.

I remember running it. But now, I have no recollection of the plot, what the

characters looked like, or anything after the opening of the film. All I

remember is the opening, and those flashes of hospital scenes/Nazi experiments

intercut with sex scenes, and the male narrator saying something about having

sex with old women vs having sex with young women... and that's it.

It would probably be useful for me to explore in therapy why I found the film so

triggering that I can't remember most of it!

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi KO's

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > > lists.

> > > > >

> > > > > Films;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > > psychological terror!

> > > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > > their intended victims.

> > > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > > through

> > > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> > carefully

> > > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> > or

> > > > ruin

> > > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > > >

> > > > > Books;

> > > > >

> > > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > > 1994

> > > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> > provoking

> > > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> > trauma, and

> > > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> > the

> > > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> > repression, and

> > > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> > disbelief

> > > > in

> > > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> > suffer

> > > > from.

> > > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> > recognizing and

> > > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> > recommend it

> > > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland "

> > > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > > 2009

> > > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> > and

> > > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> > Barrie, the

> > > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> > to have

> > > > a

> > > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > > original

> > > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> > anything

> > > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> > intrepid

> > > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> > malicious

> > > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > > behaviors.

> > > > >

> > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> > was the

> > > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> > misuse by

> > > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> > from

> > > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> > families.

> > > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> > elusive yet

> > > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> > non -

> > > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > > experience

> > > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> > those of

> > > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> > books and

> > > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> > (

> > > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> > model,)

> > > > or

> > > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> > referring the

> > > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> > I find

> > > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > > authors

> > > > > themselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> > own

> > > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> > time,

> > > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Annie,

I had a visceral reaction to this film too . . .after the Nazi Dr.

escapes the arrival of the allied troops, and she is " rescued, " she moves

to the U.S., marries a nice Jewish man, and has two sons, but remains

deeply bonded and dedicated to her Nazi Dr., who promised, as had her

father, that he would find her someday.

In anticipation of this future reunion, Bissets character builds a

career of emotional incest with her sons, infidelity, and social mayhem,

where in she so damages the recipients if her affections that they

melt-down emotionally, self-destruct, commit suicide or further ruin

themselves and their families.

All of these atrocities, she commits through the guise of beauty, love,

concern and affection, using her status of wife, mother, lover and friend

to destroy the innocence and lives of everyone around her.

She exhibits no remorse, or compassion, but rather satisfaction when the

people whom she should have nurtured and loved are caused to self-destruct.

This appears to be something more than a " simple psychopathy, " wherein

the psychopath wants what they want when they want it, but a shark-like

predation that chills the observer to the core. When I realized that she

was pleased by the ruin of her pathetically damaged musician son, and that

her " confession " to her elder son was meant to destroy him, I too went

numb, and had to try to re-watch the end.

I think the film graphically explores the BPD/NPD perverse dedication or

attachment to an idea or concepts that are founded in vengeance and spite,

and their unwillingness or inability (?) to let go of grievances,(real or

perceived,) as well as their inability to bond.

It also observes the inability or unwillingness of family and other

observers to address these cruelties.

I have spent several therapy sessions working on issues this film

raised, and still have more to go. Its the most frightening, disturbing and

devastating film I have ever watched. Definitely triggering.

That being said, I also believe that it nudged me through some issues

that I really didn't want to face. Mainly, that my love for my Nada is of

value or consequence to her, *only* in that it gives her a tool with which

to hurt me, and to fracture family dynamics.

And, horribly, that her greatest satisfaction has come at times when she

has been instrumental in someones self destruction, through gas-lighting.

interfering, and manipulation. This film hurts to watch, yet is also

cathartic. Somebody else really " gets " the nightmare dynamics of the

BPD/NPD

Warm Regards, Sunspot

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM, anuria67854 anuria-67854@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

> Wow, I think that film made me dissociate. I actually rented " Death in

> Love " from NetFlix, and had it for a couple of weeks, and I always watch

> the dvds that arrive at least three times.

> I remember running it. But now, I have no recollection of the plot, what

> the characters looked like, or anything after the opening of the film. All

> I remember is the opening, and those flashes of hospital scenes/Nazi

> experiments intercut with sex scenes, and the male narrator saying

> something about having sex with old women vs having sex with young women...

> and that's it.

>

> It would probably be useful for me to explore in therapy why I found the

> film so triggering that I can't remember most of it!

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi KO's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our

> reading/viewing

> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Films;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD,

> who

> > > > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > > > psychological terror!

> > > > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > > > their intended victims.

> > > > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended

> victims

> > > > > through

> > > > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> > > carefully

> > > > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise

> devastate

> > > or

> > > > > ruin

> > > > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told

> to,

> > > > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Books;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > > > 1994

> > > > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> > > provoking

> > > > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> > > trauma, and

> > > > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> > > the

> > > > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> > > repression, and

> > > > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> > > disbelief

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> > > suffer

> > > > > from.

> > > > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> > > recognizing and

> > > > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> > > recommend it

> > > > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Neverland "

> > > > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation,

> seduction,

> > > and

> > > > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> > > Barrie, the

> > > > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> > > to have

> > > > > a

> > > > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> > > anything

> > > > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> > > intrepid

> > > > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> > > malicious

> > > > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > > > behaviors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> > > was the

> > > > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> > > misuse by

> > > > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> > > from

> > > > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> > > families.

> > > > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> > > elusive yet

> > > > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> > > non -

> > > > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > > > experience

> > > > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> > > those of

> > > > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> > > books and

> > > > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting

> " Trilby "

> > > (

> > > > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> > > model,)

> > > > > or

> > > > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> > > referring the

> > > > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> > > I find

> > > > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by

> the

> > > > > authors

> > > > > > themselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time

> to

> > > time,

> > > > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Hi Annie,

I had a visceral reaction to this film too . . .after the Nazi Dr.

escapes the arrival of the allied troops, and she is " rescued, " she moves

to the U.S., marries a nice Jewish man, and has two sons, but remains

deeply bonded and dedicated to her Nazi Dr., who promised, as had her

father, that he would find her someday.

In anticipation of this future reunion, Bissets character builds a

career of emotional incest with her sons, infidelity, and social mayhem,

where in she so damages the recipients if her affections that they

melt-down emotionally, self-destruct, commit suicide or further ruin

themselves and their families.

All of these atrocities, she commits through the guise of beauty, love,

concern and affection, using her status of wife, mother, lover and friend

to destroy the innocence and lives of everyone around her.

She exhibits no remorse, or compassion, but rather satisfaction when the

people whom she should have nurtured and loved are caused to self-destruct.

This appears to be something more than a " simple psychopathy, " wherein

the psychopath wants what they want when they want it, but a shark-like

predation that chills the observer to the core. When I realized that she

was pleased by the ruin of her pathetically damaged musician son, and that

her " confession " to her elder son was meant to destroy him, I too went

numb, and had to try to re-watch the end.

I think the film graphically explores the BPD/NPD perverse dedication or

attachment to an idea or concepts that are founded in vengeance and spite,

and their unwillingness or inability (?) to let go of grievances,(real or

perceived,) as well as their inability to bond.

It also observes the inability or unwillingness of family and other

observers to address these cruelties.

I have spent several therapy sessions working on issues this film

raised, and still have more to go. Its the most frightening, disturbing and

devastating film I have ever watched. Definitely triggering.

That being said, I also believe that it nudged me through some issues

that I really didn't want to face. Mainly, that my love for my Nada is of

value or consequence to her, *only* in that it gives her a tool with which

to hurt me, and to fracture family dynamics.

And, horribly, that her greatest satisfaction has come at times when she

has been instrumental in someones self destruction, through gas-lighting.

interfering, and manipulation. This film hurts to watch, yet is also

cathartic. Somebody else really " gets " the nightmare dynamics of the

BPD/NPD

Warm Regards, Sunspot

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM, anuria67854 anuria-67854@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

> Wow, I think that film made me dissociate. I actually rented " Death in

> Love " from NetFlix, and had it for a couple of weeks, and I always watch

> the dvds that arrive at least three times.

> I remember running it. But now, I have no recollection of the plot, what

> the characters looked like, or anything after the opening of the film. All

> I remember is the opening, and those flashes of hospital scenes/Nazi

> experiments intercut with sex scenes, and the male narrator saying

> something about having sex with old women vs having sex with young women...

> and that's it.

>

> It would probably be useful for me to explore in therapy why I found the

> film so triggering that I can't remember most of it!

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi KO's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our

> reading/viewing

> > > > > > lists.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Films;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD,

> who

> > > > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > > > psychological terror!

> > > > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > > > their intended victims.

> > > > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended

> victims

> > > > > through

> > > > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> > > carefully

> > > > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise

> devastate

> > > or

> > > > > ruin

> > > > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told

> to,

> > > > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Books;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > > > 1994

> > > > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> > > provoking

> > > > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> > > trauma, and

> > > > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> > > the

> > > > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> > > repression, and

> > > > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> > > disbelief

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> > > suffer

> > > > > from.

> > > > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> > > recognizing and

> > > > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> > > recommend it

> > > > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Neverland "

> > > > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation,

> seduction,

> > > and

> > > > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> > > Barrie, the

> > > > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> > > to have

> > > > > a

> > > > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> > > anything

> > > > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> > > intrepid

> > > > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> > > malicious

> > > > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > > > behaviors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> > > was the

> > > > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> > > misuse by

> > > > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> > > from

> > > > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> > > families.

> > > > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> > > elusive yet

> > > > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> > > non -

> > > > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > > > experience

> > > > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> > > those of

> > > > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> > > books and

> > > > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting

> " Trilby "

> > > (

> > > > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> > > model,)

> > > > > or

> > > > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> > > referring the

> > > > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> > > I find

> > > > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by

> the

> > > > > authors

> > > > > > themselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time

> to

> > > time,

> > > > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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That sounds like an awesome idea! I have noticed, as you described, that some

films and books trigger things that might be difficult to " digest, " so to speak.

I have used movies as a therapeutic tool for myself. Once, when I was having

severe " flooding " of emotional flashbacks, I watched " Hannibal Rising. " Sounds

scary, I know. However, that weekend of CPTSD/memories/flooding I experienced

what I know now is " selective mutism. " Seeing that film demonstrated to me what

I was going through as regards having been in captivity and tortured as a

child...then, seeing the part in which the main character had selective

mutism....it explained a lot for me. For about two weeks, when certain memories

would come up, I would carry a card with the words " Can't speak right now, " and

I would hold it up to my therapist when memories or feelings came up that I felt

I could not describe/speak about. Sometimes, I still experience the feeling of

being unable to speak about what the BPD " caregivers " I had did, but I recognize

what it is now and where it comes from. I almost feel silly about it now, but

the therapist didn't laugh or say I was silly. But, back on topic -

" cinematherapy support group " or " book group " sound like a wonderful idea.

:-) Peace.

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi KO's

> > >

> > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > lists.

> > >

> > > Films;

> > >

> > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > >

> > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > psychological terror!

> > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > their intended victims.

> > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > through

> > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully

> > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or

> > ruin

> > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > >

> > > Books;

> > >

> > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > 1994

> > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > >

> > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking

> > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and

> > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the

> > > framework of daily life.

> > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and

> > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief

> > in

> > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer

> > from.

> > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and

> > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it

> > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > >

> > > " Neverland "

> > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > 2009

> > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and

> > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the

> > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > >

> > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have

> > a

> > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > original

> > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything

> > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid

> > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious

> > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > behaviors.

> > >

> > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the

> > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by

> > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from

> > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families.

> > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet

> > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non -

> > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > experience

> > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > >

> > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of

> > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and

> > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " (

> > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,)

> > or

> > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the

> > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find

> > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > authors

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own

> > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time,

> > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > >

> > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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That sounds like an awesome idea! I have noticed, as you described, that some

films and books trigger things that might be difficult to " digest, " so to speak.

I have used movies as a therapeutic tool for myself. Once, when I was having

severe " flooding " of emotional flashbacks, I watched " Hannibal Rising. " Sounds

scary, I know. However, that weekend of CPTSD/memories/flooding I experienced

what I know now is " selective mutism. " Seeing that film demonstrated to me what

I was going through as regards having been in captivity and tortured as a

child...then, seeing the part in which the main character had selective

mutism....it explained a lot for me. For about two weeks, when certain memories

would come up, I would carry a card with the words " Can't speak right now, " and

I would hold it up to my therapist when memories or feelings came up that I felt

I could not describe/speak about. Sometimes, I still experience the feeling of

being unable to speak about what the BPD " caregivers " I had did, but I recognize

what it is now and where it comes from. I almost feel silly about it now, but

the therapist didn't laugh or say I was silly. But, back on topic -

" cinematherapy support group " or " book group " sound like a wonderful idea.

:-) Peace.

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi KO's

> > >

> > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > lists.

> > >

> > > Films;

> > >

> > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > >

> > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > psychological terror!

> > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > their intended victims.

> > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > through

> > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully

> > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or

> > ruin

> > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > >

> > > Books;

> > >

> > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > 1994

> > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > >

> > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking

> > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and

> > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the

> > > framework of daily life.

> > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and

> > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief

> > in

> > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer

> > from.

> > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and

> > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it

> > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > >

> > > " Neverland "

> > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > 2009

> > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and

> > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the

> > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > >

> > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have

> > a

> > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > original

> > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything

> > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid

> > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious

> > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > behaviors.

> > >

> > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the

> > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by

> > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from

> > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families.

> > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet

> > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non -

> > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > experience

> > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > >

> > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of

> > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and

> > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " (

> > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,)

> > or

> > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the

> > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find

> > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > authors

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own

> > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time,

> > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > >

> > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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I just watched " Clash By Night " (local library had it on DVD -- free!) --

yes, I can certainly see BPD stuff in Barbara Stanwyck's character -- but

it *really* comes through in 's character (the lover) -- yeow!

He's self-centered, rageful, needy/lonely but he hates women at the same

time.

Of course it has a " Hollywood " ending where Barbara Stanwyck comes to her

senses and it looks as if everything will be fine. *Not*!!!

Dana

> **

>

>

> I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

> forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

> and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

> Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

> Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

> Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

> talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

> in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

> them for anything.

>

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi KO's

> > > >

> > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > > > Films;

> > > >

> > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > >

> > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > psychological terror!

> > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > their intended victims.

> > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > through

> > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> carefully

> > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> or

> > > ruin

> > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > >

> > > > Books;

> > > >

> > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > 1994

> > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > >

> > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> provoking

> > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> trauma, and

> > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> the

> > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> repression, and

> > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> disbelief

> > > in

> > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> suffer

> > > from.

> > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> recognizing and

> > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> recommend it

> > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland "

> > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > 2009

> > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> and

> > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> Barrie, the

> > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > >

> > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> to have

> > > a

> > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > original

> > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> anything

> > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> intrepid

> > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> malicious

> > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > behaviors.

> > > >

> > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> was the

> > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> misuse by

> > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> from

> > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> families.

> > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> elusive yet

> > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> non -

> > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > experience

> > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> those of

> > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> books and

> > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> (

> > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> model,)

> > > or

> > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> referring the

> > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> I find

> > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > authors

> > > > themselves.

> > > >

> > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> own

> > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> time,

> > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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I just watched " Clash By Night " (local library had it on DVD -- free!) --

yes, I can certainly see BPD stuff in Barbara Stanwyck's character -- but

it *really* comes through in 's character (the lover) -- yeow!

He's self-centered, rageful, needy/lonely but he hates women at the same

time.

Of course it has a " Hollywood " ending where Barbara Stanwyck comes to her

senses and it looks as if everything will be fine. *Not*!!!

Dana

> **

>

>

> I thought I saw reference to a couple of movies in one of the BPD

> forums, but am not finding it in this one. The two were Clash by Night

> and Death In Love. Clash by Night is a film by legendary director Fritz

> Lang, staring Barbara Stenwyck (later of The Big Valley) and Marilyn

> Monroe. I finally watched it last night, and it so spoke to me. When

> Barbara's character spoke, it's as if though my BP nada and ex-wife were

> talking. It gave me a little insight. I really related to her husband

> in the film, how he's a typical non-spouse BP's seek out who won't leave

> them for anything.

>

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi KO's

> > > >

> > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > > > Films;

> > > >

> > > > " Leave Her to Heaven "

> > > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name.

> > > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations,

> > > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who

> > > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking!

> > > >

> > > > " Shadow of Doubt "

> > > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock

> > > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of

> > > > psychological terror!

> > > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey

> > > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh

> > > > their intended victims.

> > > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in

> > > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or

> > > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they

> > > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims

> > > through

> > > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to

> > > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact

> carefully

> > > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate

> or

> > > ruin

> > > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to,

> > > > terminally wound, etc...

> > > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending!

> > > >

> > > > Books;

> > > >

> > > > " Unchained Memories "

> > > > 1994

> > > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D

> > > >

> > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought

> provoking

> > > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes

> trauma, and

> > > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within

> the

> > > > framework of daily life.

> > > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and

> repression, and

> > > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and

> disbelief

> > > in

> > > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs,

> suffer

> > > from.

> > > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of

> recognizing and

> > > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful.

> > > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly

> recommend it

> > > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace!

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland "

> > > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " )

> > > > Author Piers Dudgeon

> > > > 2009

> > > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction,

> and

> > > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors

> Barrie, the

> > > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era.

> > > >

> > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps

> to have

> > > a

> > > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the

> > > original

> > > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and

> anything

> > > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and

> intrepid

> > > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably

> malicious

> > > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD

> > > behaviors.

> > > >

> > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which

> was the

> > > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its

> misuse by

> > > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects

> from

> > > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and

> families.

> > > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly

> elusive yet

> > > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and

> non -

> > > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an

> > > experience

> > > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of.

> > > >

> > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for

> those of

> > > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens

> books and

> > > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby "

> (

> > > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists

> model,)

> > > or

> > > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not

> referring the

> > > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although

> I find

> > > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the

> > > authors

> > > > themselves.

> > > >

> > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your

> own

> > > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to

> time,

> > > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library!

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards, Sunspot

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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Tonight I watched the movie " Georgia " with Leigh and Mare

Winningham. It's about the troubled relationship between 2 sisters, much of it

about how one is jealous of the other's music career. It doesn't come out and

say that Leigh's character is BPD, but she sure acts like it.

It's really interesting to watch as her sister gets really upset and starts to

set boundaries with her, at one point stopping the car and almost making her get

out in a random part of town. My favorite line from the movie is when she talks

about her sister " devouring " the people in her life. If that's not a borderline,

then I don't know what is! 

I'm not going to say I recommend this, as it's pretty triggering, but if you're

feeling strong, it does have some interesting aspects. 

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To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: BPD books and films...

I just watched " Clash By Night " (local library had it on DVD -- free!) --

yes, I can certainly see BPD stuff in Barbara Stanwyck's character -- but

it *really* comes through in 's character (the lover) -- yeow!

He's self-centered, rageful, needy/lonely but he hates women at the same

time.

Of course it has a " Hollywood " ending where Barbara Stanwyck comes to her

senses and it looks as if everything will be fine.  *Not*!!!

Dana

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Tonight I watched the movie " Georgia " with Leigh and Mare

Winningham. It's about the troubled relationship between 2 sisters, much of it

about how one is jealous of the other's music career. It doesn't come out and

say that Leigh's character is BPD, but she sure acts like it.

It's really interesting to watch as her sister gets really upset and starts to

set boundaries with her, at one point stopping the car and almost making her get

out in a random part of town. My favorite line from the movie is when she talks

about her sister " devouring " the people in her life. If that's not a borderline,

then I don't know what is! 

I'm not going to say I recommend this, as it's pretty triggering, but if you're

feeling strong, it does have some interesting aspects. 

________________________________

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: BPD books and films...

I just watched " Clash By Night " (local library had it on DVD -- free!) --

yes, I can certainly see BPD stuff in Barbara Stanwyck's character -- but

it *really* comes through in 's character (the lover) -- yeow!

He's self-centered, rageful, needy/lonely but he hates women at the same

time.

Of course it has a " Hollywood " ending where Barbara Stanwyck comes to her

senses and it looks as if everything will be fine.  *Not*!!!

Dana

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Tonight I watched the movie " Georgia " with Leigh and Mare

Winningham. It's about the troubled relationship between 2 sisters, much of it

about how one is jealous of the other's music career. It doesn't come out and

say that Leigh's character is BPD, but she sure acts like it.

It's really interesting to watch as her sister gets really upset and starts to

set boundaries with her, at one point stopping the car and almost making her get

out in a random part of town. My favorite line from the movie is when she talks

about her sister " devouring " the people in her life. If that's not a borderline,

then I don't know what is! 

I'm not going to say I recommend this, as it's pretty triggering, but if you're

feeling strong, it does have some interesting aspects. 

________________________________

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: BPD books and films...

I just watched " Clash By Night " (local library had it on DVD -- free!) --

yes, I can certainly see BPD stuff in Barbara Stanwyck's character -- but

it *really* comes through in 's character (the lover) -- yeow!

He's self-centered, rageful, needy/lonely but he hates women at the same

time.

Of course it has a " Hollywood " ending where Barbara Stanwyck comes to her

senses and it looks as if everything will be fine.  *Not*!!!

Dana

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