Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Read " the True Believer " by Hoffer....the classic on mass movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Try this: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups?edit=1 and this is specifically for 12sf: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free (unknown) how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Try this: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups?edit=1 and this is specifically for 12sf: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free (unknown) how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address. Jan how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address. Jan how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address. Jan how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 I keep saying it over and over I know but keep reading reading reading. If you are going to drink again you are going to need every possible tool to counter the brainwashing that the cult has done. I know, been there , done that. The good news it is possible to get through all the brainwashing about drinking *but* you do need to be aware of how very powerful the brainwashing is. All I can tell you is that everything that you have been conditioned to believe in AA is false. I have found this list to be a lifesaver, especially after I resumed drinking. It is really scary to take the risk and being able to vent here has been an enormous help. kisses Tom Boy who is really looking forward to the holiday season. Can you believe that I have *never* in my life had dessert with alcohol in it? I have never had one of those chocolates with liquor in it? Never have even had cough syrup with alcohol in it? At 07:01 PM 03/12/01 +0000, you wrote: Hey folks, I was in the Pacific Group. If you're gonna be in AA it's kinda of a fun place to be. They do alot of stuff-parties, BBQ's, dances. I was reading an article in the LA Times about people who leave the Mormons in Utah--leaving PG feels kinda like that. You're life is kinda--poof! I'm definitely gonna have spiked eggnog this holiday season, but I am worried that as soon as the liquor goes down my throat all the brainwashing about what a fuck up I am will come back to me. I want to drink and not have it drag me back into aa. I'm gonna pick up that book on cult deprogramming to counter some of that stuff in my head. ki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 Hey Ki, Enioy the eggnog. Have 6 for me! You don't have to live on AA guilt trips. It's your choice, live like normal folk, or hold on to the AA apron strings. Can you imagine how many steppers will be sittin around over the holidays, chompin at the bit to join in and be a "REAL" person, but AA has them so fucked up, many may just take the gas pipe because of it. We never hear about those who do, only their Sponsors know for sure. Happy Holidays and enjoy yourself responsibly. I'll be doin my O'Doule's cause I over marinated my own Liver thru the years... so I settle for near beer!!!! AA'ers Love to hear that!!!! Jim (unknown) Hey folks,I was in the Pacific Group. If you're gonna be in AA it's kinda of afun place to be. They do alot of stuff-parties, BBQ's, dances. I wasreading an article in the LA Times about people who leave the Mormonsin Utah--leaving PG feels kinda like that. You're life is kinda--poof!I'm definitely gonna have spiked eggnog this holiday season, but I amworried that as soon as the liquor goes down my throat all thebrainwashing about what a fuck up I am will come back to me. I want todrink and not have it drag me back into aa. I'm gonna pick up thatbook on cult deprogramming to counter some of that stuff in my head.ki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product-------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product-------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product-------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi Jim What is KOOL-AID Re: (unknown) > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID " > > (unknown) > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up. > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for. > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives. > > > > > -- > > > .:: powered by http://skim.com ::. > ____________________________________________ > skim.com - where your shirt is your address. > > .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication. > .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi Jim What is KOOL-AID Re: (unknown) > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID " > > (unknown) > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up. > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for. > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives. > > > > > -- > > > .:: powered by http://skim.com ::. > ____________________________________________ > skim.com - where your shirt is your address. > > .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication. > .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi Jim What is KOOL-AID Re: (unknown) > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID " > > (unknown) > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up. > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for. > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives. > > > > > -- > > > .:: powered by http://skim.com ::. > ____________________________________________ > skim.com - where your shirt is your address. > > .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication. > .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 itsa reference to the poisoned fruit drink that the jim jones cult drank to commmit nass suicide. people reference it to empahise the power of a cult of personality. > Hi Jim > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > Re: (unknown) > > > > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID " > > > > (unknown) > > > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up. > > > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for. > > > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > .:: powered by http://skim.com ::. > > ____________________________________________ > > skim.com - where your shirt is your address. > > > > .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication. > > .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Thanks Makes a change from tea i guess Re: (unknown) > > > > > > > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more > than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the > steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great > beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID " > > > > > > (unknown) > > > > > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully > expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I > cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my > groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for > them as they were so messed up. > > > > > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. > For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with > mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a > life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, > but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare > hope for. > > > > > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who > could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no > alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in > a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > .:: powered by http://skim.com ::. > > > ____________________________________________ > > > skim.com - where your shirt is your address. > > > > > > .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication. > > > .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 , more than you wanted to know about Kool-Aid: http://www.userland.com/whatIsKoolAid Kate > Hi Jim > > What is KOOL-AID > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 , more than you wanted to know about Kool-Aid: http://www.userland.com/whatIsKoolAid Kate > Hi Jim > > What is KOOL-AID > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 This site says it is a " legend " that the Peoples' Temple killed themselves with laced kool-aid; itisnt a legend, it's a fact. Many however were forced at gunpoint to do so; those who tried to run away were shot. P. > > Hi Jim > > > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 This site says it is a " legend " that the Peoples' Temple killed themselves with laced kool-aid; itisnt a legend, it's a fact. Many however were forced at gunpoint to do so; those who tried to run away were shot. P. > > Hi Jim > > > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Pete, Actually, they said it was flavor-aid, generic koolaid. " Drink the flavor-aid " just doesn't work for me, though. > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Pete, Actually, they said it was flavor-aid, generic koolaid. " Drink the flavor-aid " just doesn't work for me, though. > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hey , KOOL-AID is a powder mix of fruit drink flavors that when added to water and sugar, provides a tasty drink for kids. Add Grain Alcohol, it's a great party drink, good for loosening up the "Babes" at Parties. Add Cyanide, like the Reverend Jim did in Ghana It shows how fucked up people in Cults are and believe anything their leader tells him,,,,, hence Bill W and his flock of steppers. All MIND CONTROL Jim (unknown)>> I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.>> They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.>> The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.>>>>> -->>> .:: powered by http://skim.com ::.> ____________________________________________> skim.com - where your shirt is your address.>> .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication.> .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product> -------------------------------------------->>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 " Generic " kool-aid??? FDA licensed maybe? P. > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > > > What is KOOL-AID > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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