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Guilt isn't a good reason for sending a card. There is no

obligation to give cards. If you don't have any other reason to

send one, I don't think you should send one. If that causes her

to play the " victim " with your stepdad, let that be between

them. If he wants to put up with her acting that way, that's his

problem. If they send you nasty e-mail because you don't send a

card, then stop reading their e-mail. You don't have to put up

with that kind of behavior. Have your e-mail client filter their

messages to the trash if they can't stay civil. None of us

deserve to be treated poorly or to be subjected to their rages

and tirades.

I don't give cards, for Mother's Day or anything else. I do give

my nadar some inexpensive gift for Mother's Day. Last year it

was a pair of rather gaudy earrings that I bought from a vendor

at a farmer's market for $5. I told her they came from Kenya,

which was what the vendor said, and she actually said she liked

them and thanked me. This year she's getting a book I got from a

discount bookstore's going-out-of-business sale for $1.

Hopefully it will interest her. I refuse to spend any large sum

of money on gifts for her because there's no telling whether

she'll even thank me for them or not. That depends on what kind

of mood she's in.

At 02:18 PM 05/05/2012 wrote:

>I havent spoken to nada in a year, only contact now are

>(monthly) texts and email. She doesnt call, and neither do I.

>In this time I've been the recipient of nasty, hurtful

>behavior, followed by nice friendly texts and emails, followed

>by more nastiness,then niceness at which point I pointed out in

>an email that I cannot pretend like things are great, when they

>are not and I wouldn't be answering to either kind of email

>until I go an apology for X,y, and Z behavior (related to her

>actions from my wedding, the last time I spoke to her). Of

>course that didnt work, instead I became the " reason " for the

>complete breakdown she then suffered and blamed for her psych

>hospital admission. She's back on the " nice " path now, sending

>cards at Christmas, Easter..(although she continues her nasty

>tricks behind my back..maybe hoping I will catch wind and call

>her up to call her out on them..)I really want to sometimes but

>know thats exactly what shes looking for- a reaction. So she

>continues to jab, and I think, what is next..what else does she

>have?? One day Im going to snap and lose it with her and say

>screw off forever! But then the fear creeps is: I say that and

>she tries to commit suicide or something..

>

>So my struggle is: dont send a card, she gets to be the victim

>to stepdad (look how terrible my children are...poor me.) If I

>Do send a card, I do so out of guilt. She has in no shape or

>form been a " mother " this last year, and although I discovered

>her Being BP 3 years ago, this is the first year Im strongly

>contemplating NOT sending a card. It makes me angry thinking

>about even sending one. She doesnt deserve one, but I dont need

>the backlash either..email from Stepdad, or her, and explaining

>myself to people who dont know, understand, or who will

>listen.. Wishing right now Mothers Day didnt exist!

>

>M-

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Guilt isn't a good reason for sending a card. There is no

obligation to give cards. If you don't have any other reason to

send one, I don't think you should send one. If that causes her

to play the " victim " with your stepdad, let that be between

them. If he wants to put up with her acting that way, that's his

problem. If they send you nasty e-mail because you don't send a

card, then stop reading their e-mail. You don't have to put up

with that kind of behavior. Have your e-mail client filter their

messages to the trash if they can't stay civil. None of us

deserve to be treated poorly or to be subjected to their rages

and tirades.

I don't give cards, for Mother's Day or anything else. I do give

my nadar some inexpensive gift for Mother's Day. Last year it

was a pair of rather gaudy earrings that I bought from a vendor

at a farmer's market for $5. I told her they came from Kenya,

which was what the vendor said, and she actually said she liked

them and thanked me. This year she's getting a book I got from a

discount bookstore's going-out-of-business sale for $1.

Hopefully it will interest her. I refuse to spend any large sum

of money on gifts for her because there's no telling whether

she'll even thank me for them or not. That depends on what kind

of mood she's in.

At 02:18 PM 05/05/2012 wrote:

>I havent spoken to nada in a year, only contact now are

>(monthly) texts and email. She doesnt call, and neither do I.

>In this time I've been the recipient of nasty, hurtful

>behavior, followed by nice friendly texts and emails, followed

>by more nastiness,then niceness at which point I pointed out in

>an email that I cannot pretend like things are great, when they

>are not and I wouldn't be answering to either kind of email

>until I go an apology for X,y, and Z behavior (related to her

>actions from my wedding, the last time I spoke to her). Of

>course that didnt work, instead I became the " reason " for the

>complete breakdown she then suffered and blamed for her psych

>hospital admission. She's back on the " nice " path now, sending

>cards at Christmas, Easter..(although she continues her nasty

>tricks behind my back..maybe hoping I will catch wind and call

>her up to call her out on them..)I really want to sometimes but

>know thats exactly what shes looking for- a reaction. So she

>continues to jab, and I think, what is next..what else does she

>have?? One day Im going to snap and lose it with her and say

>screw off forever! But then the fear creeps is: I say that and

>she tries to commit suicide or something..

>

>So my struggle is: dont send a card, she gets to be the victim

>to stepdad (look how terrible my children are...poor me.) If I

>Do send a card, I do so out of guilt. She has in no shape or

>form been a " mother " this last year, and although I discovered

>her Being BP 3 years ago, this is the first year Im strongly

>contemplating NOT sending a card. It makes me angry thinking

>about even sending one. She doesnt deserve one, but I dont need

>the backlash either..email from Stepdad, or her, and explaining

>myself to people who dont know, understand, or who will

>listen.. Wishing right now Mothers Day didnt exist!

>

>M-

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Katrina

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Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send " something " and it

keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag reflex inducing trip thru the

hallmark store. What is pitiful is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude.

I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

;-p C

> >I havent spoken to nada in a year, only contact now are

> >(monthly) texts and email. She doesnt call, and neither do I.

> >In this time I've been the recipient of nasty, hurtful

> >behavior, followed by nice friendly texts and emails, followed

> >by more nastiness,then niceness at which point I pointed out in

> >an email that I cannot pretend like things are great, when they

> >are not and I wouldn't be answering to either kind of email

> >until I go an apology for X,y, and Z behavior (related to her

> >actions from my wedding, the last time I spoke to her). Of

> >course that didnt work, instead I became the " reason " for the

> >complete breakdown she then suffered and blamed for her psych

> >hospital admission. She's back on the " nice " path now, sending

> >cards at Christmas, Easter..(although she continues her nasty

> >tricks behind my back..maybe hoping I will catch wind and call

> >her up to call her out on them..)I really want to sometimes but

> >know thats exactly what shes looking for- a reaction. So she

> >continues to jab, and I think, what is next..what else does she

> >have?? One day Im going to snap and lose it with her and say

> >screw off forever! But then the fear creeps is: I say that and

> >she tries to commit suicide or something..

> >

> >So my struggle is: dont send a card, she gets to be the victim

> >to stepdad (look how terrible my children are...poor me.) If I

> >Do send a card, I do so out of guilt. She has in no shape or

> >form been a " mother " this last year, and although I discovered

> >her Being BP 3 years ago, this is the first year Im strongly

> >contemplating NOT sending a card. It makes me angry thinking

> >about even sending one. She doesnt deserve one, but I dont need

> >the backlash either..email from Stepdad, or her, and explaining

> >myself to people who dont know, understand, or who will

> >listen.. Wishing right now Mothers Day didnt exist!

> >

> >M-

>

>

>

>

> --

> Katrina

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Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send " something " and it

keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag reflex inducing trip thru the

hallmark store. What is pitiful is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude.

I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

;-p C

> >I havent spoken to nada in a year, only contact now are

> >(monthly) texts and email. She doesnt call, and neither do I.

> >In this time I've been the recipient of nasty, hurtful

> >behavior, followed by nice friendly texts and emails, followed

> >by more nastiness,then niceness at which point I pointed out in

> >an email that I cannot pretend like things are great, when they

> >are not and I wouldn't be answering to either kind of email

> >until I go an apology for X,y, and Z behavior (related to her

> >actions from my wedding, the last time I spoke to her). Of

> >course that didnt work, instead I became the " reason " for the

> >complete breakdown she then suffered and blamed for her psych

> >hospital admission. She's back on the " nice " path now, sending

> >cards at Christmas, Easter..(although she continues her nasty

> >tricks behind my back..maybe hoping I will catch wind and call

> >her up to call her out on them..)I really want to sometimes but

> >know thats exactly what shes looking for- a reaction. So she

> >continues to jab, and I think, what is next..what else does she

> >have?? One day Im going to snap and lose it with her and say

> >screw off forever! But then the fear creeps is: I say that and

> >she tries to commit suicide or something..

> >

> >So my struggle is: dont send a card, she gets to be the victim

> >to stepdad (look how terrible my children are...poor me.) If I

> >Do send a card, I do so out of guilt. She has in no shape or

> >form been a " mother " this last year, and although I discovered

> >her Being BP 3 years ago, this is the first year Im strongly

> >contemplating NOT sending a card. It makes me angry thinking

> >about even sending one. She doesnt deserve one, but I dont need

> >the backlash either..email from Stepdad, or her, and explaining

> >myself to people who dont know, understand, or who will

> >listen.. Wishing right now Mothers Day didnt exist!

> >

> >M-

>

>

>

>

> --

> Katrina

>

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I don't think that's too harsh at all. It seems like an accurate

description.

At 02:51 PM 05/05/2012 CmeBfree wrote:

>Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send

> " something " and it keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag

>reflex inducing trip thru the hallmark store. What is pitiful

>is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude. I look at it as

>concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

>blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> ;-p C

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I don't think that's too harsh at all. It seems like an accurate

description.

At 02:51 PM 05/05/2012 CmeBfree wrote:

>Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send

> " something " and it keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag

>reflex inducing trip thru the hallmark store. What is pitiful

>is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude. I look at it as

>concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

>blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> ;-p C

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" I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh? " ;-p C

C, That was FAN-FRICKIN-TASTIC!!!!! And, NO WAY too harsh. U read my mind.

, When they lived across the country from me I'd send them (nada & gnada)

the same card bc I didn't want or need any of the backlash if I didn't send

something. What worked for me was a funny one or something from the children's

section that was general...no mushy, gushy Ever!! Now they're both here and I

live w/gnada, nada's just down the street, so I'm giving the same $5 bouquet and

NO card...I'm done with cards...there are none that say what I'd REALLY like to

say. ;-)

Besides, the only reason I'm giving the flowers is to keep the " Dictatorial

Warlords from going PSYCHO (any more than they already do) and blowing anything

up. " =) I have to live here for now...and I'd like to be sane and in 1 piece.

$10 isn't a bad deal to ensure wholeness and avoid their wraths. And, one more

thing, it really isn't conceding to me bc by doing this I am controlling the

situation and their behavior. There's no meaning in the flowers. They're just

pretty flowers...which I will enjoy seeing on the table. There's also no card,

hence, no meaning, too. Yay!! :-) When I go NC, things will be different. For

now though, I try to keep the peace ON MY TERMS.

IMO, just think what would be best for YOU and do that. Good luck, .

GG

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> Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send " something " and it

keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag reflex inducing trip thru the

hallmark store. What is pitiful is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude.

I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> ;-p C

Nope CmeBfree, sounds about right to me.

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Right on!

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To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:48 AM

Subject: Re: To send a Mothers Day card or not..

 

>

> Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send " something " and it

keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag reflex inducing trip thru the

hallmark store. What is pitiful is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude.

I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> ;-p C

Nope CmeBfree, sounds about right to me.

Eliza

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Right on!

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To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:48 AM

Subject: Re: To send a Mothers Day card or not..

 

>

> Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send " something " and it

keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag reflex inducing trip thru the

hallmark store. What is pitiful is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude.

I look at it as concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> ;-p C

Nope CmeBfree, sounds about right to me.

Eliza

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Well, I pulled out the phone book from my home town and called the florist. I

sent you a bouquet arrangement. That should keep the dictator happy for a bit!

And I got to skip that nausea inducing trip to the greeting card isle. C

> >Katrina, I think you may be on to something there. You send

> > " something " and it keeps the peace, but doesn't involve the gag

> >reflex inducing trip thru the hallmark store. What is pitiful

> >is that nadas look on these gifts as gratitude. I look at it as

> >concessions to a dictatorial war lord to keep the psycho from

> >blowing anything up. Was that too harsh?

> > ;-p C

>

> --

> Katrina

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