Re: Introduction

[Guest guest]

Jay,

glad to have you here!

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding resources and info

Introduction

LOL Sorry I have posted as though you know me when I haven't even introduced

myself! Tho' my 4 sons are well past being breastfed, 2 are 6 foot plus

adults 1 with 2 sons of his own. The 2 younger are school age, I still

belong and support a pro breastfeeding organisation in order to help mums

avoid the mistakes I made.

The more I read on this list the more I realise the myths are still being

perpetuated, that I thought would be dead and buried by now. I joined this

list to see whether other countries are managing better than here in

Australia, sadly I see we are all still struggling with the same problems,

namely, incorrect information, lack of support in the community, when others

don't see or understand how we feel.

I've been following the thread re feeding in public, with interest. I know

we have made some inroads, as legislation has been passed to make it

unlawful for a breastfeeding mother to be discriminated against for feeding

in public. At least mums don't get told to feed their babies in toilets,

any more.

Jay Email: jayze@...

Odigo # 953410

Outnumbered by Rob, -17/11/74, - 21/7/79, - 22/12/86 and

29/6/88 Lots of info at http://www.nmaa.asn.au

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jay!

I am

Amy Lynn

mother to 1-25-98 and 2-10-00

ps You do occasionally here people told to go nurse in the bathroom in the

US, but it is not from the friendly crowd.

[Guest guest]

Kelli,

Welcome. With your dd's known allergic reactions to dairy I would skip

adding any dairy to her diet for another six months. She doesn't need any

sort of " milk " really. She can drink water or small amounts of juice--look

for the calcium-fortified ones if possible. Focus on getting her to eat a

variety of vegetables and other foods which are calcium rich.

If you make one year with nursing it is *very* uncommon for a baby to

self-wean before three. You have to be willing to let them lead for when

nursing will happen, which may mean lots at nights at times, but it is

rewarding.

HTH,

Amy Lynn

mother to 1-25-98 and 2-10-00

Introduction

> Hi everyone.

>

> I have been lurking for a long time. I may have introduced myself a few

> months ago, but I don't remember, LOL. I have learned so much from all of

> you. I have been able to help several of my freinds who had had bfing

> questions or bfing problems.

>

> My name is Kelli (29) and I have been married to Seth (28) for 3 years. We

> have one precious dd, Abigail Rose, who is 10 months. She is truly the

light

> of our lives. Motherhood is the best thing I have ever done. I never knew

I

> could love someone so much!

>

> Anyway, I am not planning on weaning Abigail at a year, but in case that

> happens I am wondering what kind of milk she can have. She has had an

> allergic reaction to dairy i.e. hives on her face and chest and sometimes

> vomitting. I have given her formula maybe 2x, and she broke out in hives

> both times. I believe she is also allergic to soy. Dh gave her a very tiny

> bite of his yougurt last week and she broke out into hives again. Needless

> to say, we won't be giving her any dairy. I know several people who have

> given their kid's rice milk. Any opinions on the rice milk?

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Kelli

>

>

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/18/00 11:01:14 AM Central Daylight Time,

kimryan@... writes:

<< Great advice! But, doesn't feeding too often cause more milk production?

I mean, I think you were describing feeding-on-demand -and then switching

breasts every three hours. Is that the best way to go, especially for

someone that already is producing too much milk? Sorry, so many questions-

I consider myself such a novice here.

Thanks a bunch.

-Kim >>

Nick also had the Oversupply Syndrome Colic. I thought the same thing, that

it would cause more milk production. But it didn't. I could tell a

difference in Nick is just a couple of days as far as gasiness and choking on

my let down. Nick didn't have as many of the symptoms as Rowan and I

followed the guidleines more loosely but they really did help us. The lady

that I coresponded with (it is her website that Michele sent) is very

friendly and knowledgable about this.

W.

Christian 8 1/2, Caleb 6 3/4, Kiernan 2 3/4, 6 months

Come see us at:

http://home.talkcity.com/CarpoolLn/Reminisce71/home.html

[Guest guest]

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarch

[Guest guest]

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Michele-

forgot to ask - how did you get through the Oversupply syndrome? Is there anything I can do to prevent it from occurring again?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Kim Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:00 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: RE: introduction

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Hey I found the page! http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm Rowan and I had 80% of the symptoms listed here. She says not to treat it without professional help because some babies can actually lose weight during treatment.

I live in Edmonton Alberta and we have health centers where we can talk to community health nurses and weigh the baby whenever we want so I used them as my sounding board. He was about 6 weeks when I figured out our problem, I had him weighed the first day and spoke to a nurse, I told her what we were going to do and she was very supportive. She had actually never heard the term before but was interested in what the outcome was. I have always found the nurses at the health center to be supportive and respectful, they aren't "know it alls" they understand we know our babies best, especially the experienced moms.

I started feeding him 3 hours per side, meaning instead of feeding from both breasts every time or switching every feeding (which is what I was doing before) I would switch sides every three hours. Every time he wanted to be fed between 9 am and 12 pm he got the left side, then from 12 to 3 he got the right side (that's just an example). I also expressed the first letdown into a cloth diaper or receiving blanket because it made him choke and sputter. I introduced a pacifier then as well, he wanted to suck all night but always ended up puking lots in our bed. He took the pacifier well. After a week I had him weighed and he had gained 8 ounces so I knew we were doing ok. I noticed a difference in my letdown within that week and his colic symptoms went away.

The excessive amount of foremilk they get from the overproduction causes the gassiness because foremilk has more lactose than hindmilk so your dr was right about that. The ladies here were a great help as well at the time. I no longer treat it in anyway. I started nursing him normally after my milk supply settled down.

Michele

RE: introduction

Michele-

forgot to ask - how did you get through the Oversupply syndrome? Is there anything I can do to prevent it from occurring again?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Kim Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:00 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: RE: introduction

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Oops, I said your dr was right in my last post, I meant your LC lol My family doctor didn't know anything about it BUT she is very bfing supportive (even supports using the family bed) so she was interested in our story when I told her.

Michele

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Great advice! But, doesn't feeding too often cause more milk production? I mean, I think you were describing feeding-on-demand -and then switching breasts every three hours. Is that the best way to go, especially for someone that already is producing too much milk? Sorry, so many questions- I consider myself such a novice here.

Thanks a bunch.

-Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:35 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Hey I found the page! http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm Rowan and I had 80% of the symptoms listed here. She says not to treat it without professional help because some babies can actually lose weight during treatment.

I live in Edmonton Alberta and we have health centers where we can talk to community health nurses and weigh the baby whenever we want so I used them as my sounding board. He was about 6 weeks when I figured out our problem, I had him weighed the first day and spoke to a nurse, I told her what we were going to do and she was very supportive. She had actually never heard the term before but was interested in what the outcome was. I have always found the nurses at the health center to be supportive and respectful, they aren't "know it alls" they understand we know our babies best, especially the experienced moms.

I started feeding him 3 hours per side, meaning instead of feeding from both breasts every time or switching every feeding (which is what I was doing before) I would switch sides every three hours. Every time he wanted to be fed between 9 am and 12 pm he got the left side, then from 12 to 3 he got the right side (that's just an example). I also expressed the first letdown into a cloth diaper or receiving blanket because it made him choke and sputter. I introduced a pacifier then as well, he wanted to suck all night but always ended up puking lots in our bed. He took the pacifier well. After a week I had him weighed and he had gained 8 ounces so I knew we were doing ok. I noticed a difference in my letdown within that week and his colic symptoms went away.

The excessive amount of foremilk they get from the overproduction causes the gassiness because foremilk has more lactose than hindmilk so your dr was right about that. The ladies here were a great help as well at the time. I no longer treat it in anyway. I started nursing him normally after my milk supply settled down.

Michele

RE: introduction

Michele-

forgot to ask - how did you get through the Oversupply syndrome? Is there anything I can do to prevent it from occurring again?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Kim Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:00 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: RE: introduction

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

I always fed on demand, it does increase your supply if you also offer both breasts every feeding but switching breasts every three hours slows it down and helps stabilize the supply without depriving the baby. I think the goal isn't to lower your supply but stabilize it and slow down the forceful letdown. Ask as many questions as you need to, that's how you learn :-)

Michele

RE: introduction

Great advice! But, doesn't feeding too often cause more milk production? I mean, I think you were describing feeding-on-demand -and then switching breasts every three hours. Is that the best way to go, especially for someone that already is producing too much milk? Sorry, so many questions- I consider myself such a novice here.

Thanks a bunch.

-Kim

[Guest guest]

Hey Kim, welcome to the list and congratulations on your upcoming little

one. I'm also due at the first of March with my next baby. I have Drake who

is 2yrs.(still nursing) and had 2 heartwrenching miscarriages. We are really

excited about this baby.

Don't beat yourself up over your difficulties in the past. It's great

that you were able to give your daughters 6weeks of mommy milk!! I'm sure

your dedication with this next one will pay off as well. There are lots of

women here with a lot of information on all sorts of issues so you've found a

great support system here!!

Again, welcome, and feel free to ask away on any type of question you

might have!!

Fawn

Drake 8-18-98 edd 03-05-01

[Guest guest]

Welcome!!! First let me commend you on being so adament to nurse your 3rd

for as long as you can :-) And let me say that breastfeeding success occurs

the first time a baby ever latches on. Even if they nurse a short time, mom

successfully nursed her baby.

Let me introduce myself, and my clan. I am Dawn, 24 yo single divorced

mother of Ibrahim Jerry (3 years, nursed 18 months), Elijah Iman (15 months,

nursed 6 months) and Ethan Adnan - 7 weeks, congenital heart defect and

pulmonary hypertension from congestive heart failure. Don't let the scary

words get to you - he is not in danger of dieing. They need to do surgery

to fix his heart, and won't let him get critical :-)

My mother had major milk over production, too. While nursing she could fill

a 8 ounce bottle from the leakage ALONE. Not to mention what she could do

with PUMPING. She nursed for 6 months and doesn't think it ever really let

up, yet she'd just hold that bottle under the other side and viola!

Wishing you luck with your pregnancy....

Dawn and clan

Ethan Adnan (8-25-00) 5 weeks early, VSD

Elijah Iman (14 months) and Ibrahim Jerry (3)

***********My Angels************

Kiara Nichole - born still at 21 weeks

- 5-16-96, 22 weeks, gained her wings at 15 hours old

2 m/c angels

**********************************

introduction

> Hi-

>

> My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of

March.

> My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was a

> breastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'm

> determined to make breastfeeding work with this third child.

>

> My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity:

1.

> what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,

> all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement

> (probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretch

> marks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode of

> severe mastitis - it was the worst " sick " that I've ever been.

>

> I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felt

> horrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I worked

> with some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Both

> of my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a great

> experience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even

worse

> - because the physical problems were on my behalf.

>

> I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism to

> hyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'm

> currently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomed

> out. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.

>

> I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information here

> now to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thank

> you for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.

>

> -Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning

of

> March

>

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!!!!! I talked with a certified LC last night & she

said that the overactive let down is why Bethany won't nurse.

This web sight describes Bethany 100%! I printed it out to

take to her pediatrician for help,

Thanks,

Re: introduction

Hey I found the page! http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm Rowan and I had 80% of the symptoms listed here. She says not to treat it without professional help because some babies can actually lose weight during treatment.

I live in Edmonton Alberta and we have health centers where we can talk to community health nurses and weigh the baby whenever we want so I used them as my sounding board. He was about 6 weeks when I figured out our problem, I had him weighed the first day and spoke to a nurse, I told her what we were going to do and she was very supportive. She had actually never heard the term before but was interested in what the outcome was. I have always found the nurses at the health center to be supportive and respectful, they aren't " know it alls " they understand we know our babies best, especially the experienced moms.

I started feeding him 3 hours per side, meaning instead of feeding from both breasts every time or switching every feeding (which is what I was doing before) I would switch sides every three hours. Every time he wanted to be fed between 9 am and 12 pm he got the left side, then from 12 to 3 he got the right side (that's just an example). I also expressed the first letdown into a cloth diaper or receiving blanket because it made him choke and sputter. I introduced a pacifier then as well, he wanted to suck all night but always ended up puking lots in our bed. He took the pacifier well. After a week I had him weighed and he had gained 8 ounces so I knew we were doing ok. I noticed a difference in my letdown within that week and his colic symptoms went away.

The excessive amount of foremilk they get from the overproduction causes the gassiness because foremilk has more lactose than hindmilk so your dr was right about that. The ladies here were a great help as well at the time. I no longer treat it in anyway. I started nursing him normally after my milk supply settled down.

Michele

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Michele-

forgot to ask - how did you get through the Oversupply syndrome? Is there anything I can do to prevent it from occurring again?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Kim Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:00 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: RE: introduction

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as " oversupply syndrome colic! " Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst " sick " that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Glad it could help! When we were first having problems I was told by a few people to cut dairy out of my diet but I discovered this and realized this was what we are going through :-)

Michele

RE: introduction

Michele-

forgot to ask - how did you get through the Oversupply syndrome? Is there anything I can do to prevent it from occurring again?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Kim Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:00 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: RE: introduction

wow! Thanks, Michele! I didn't know there was something such as "oversupply syndrome colic!" Shouldn't the pediatricians know something about this? My second daughter had a moderate case of colic. The lactation consultant I worked with didn't mention OSC, but she did suggest I pump off and waste the first couple of minutes worth of milk because she said (now, I'm going back more than three years here, so bear with me) that women that are overproducers tend to have milk that is a lot a foremilk and the child doesn't get as much of the rich, hind-milk. Was she right? Does this tie into the oversupply colic syndrome?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: ~ Michele ~ Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:46 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome Kim :-) I didn't breastfeed my first, but I have my a great nursing relationship with #2 and 3 who are tandem nursing. My last baby had Oversupply Syndrome Colic so I dealt with too much milk and a forceful letdown. We delt with it and everything settled down within a week. I haven't even had a problem with leaking since he was 3-4 months old. I just went in search of the url for Oversupply Syndrome Colic but I seem to have lost it *sigh*

Michele, mom of Arran 12-27-93, Keely 12-5-97 & Rowan 3-15-00! ICQ# 13092478Our Family Pages ~ http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcrocker/micheles.htmDo your eyes light up when your child walks into the room? ~ Toni on

Hi-My name is Kim. I'm expecting my third daughter at the beginning of March.My older two daughters are Molly (5) and (3). I was abreastfeeding failure with the first two and for a variety of reasons, I'mdetermined to make breastfeeding work with this third child. My problems with breastfeeding my first two were, in order of severity: 1.what I describe as major milk overproduction (leaking all over the place,all the time - and, I could pump off 8 oz in 5 min). 2. engorgement(probably due to overproduction of milk - to the point of getting stretchmarks on my once B-cup sized breasts - UGH!) 3. pain 4. one episode ofsevere mastitis - it was the worst "sick" that I've ever been.I, unfortunately, only made it to 6 weeks with both of the girls. I felthorrible, emotionally, but I couldn't take the physical issues. I workedwith some lactation consultants, whose help to me was very limited. Bothof my girls were full term and latched on beautifully and it was a greatexperience with the whole mechanics process - that made my guilt even worse- because the physical problems were on my behalf.I also have a thyroid disorder. My thyroid goes from hypothyroidism tohyperthyroidism sporadically since the birth of my first daughter. I'mcurrently on synthroid - they think my thyroid may have finally bottomedout. I wonder if my thyroid played a part in all the milk overproduction.I'm hoping and praying that I can get plenty of help and information herenow to prepare me for a wonderful breastfeeding experience ahead. Thankyou for this list, and in advance, for your help and support.-Kim, mom to Molly (5), (3) and baby Kaylie due at the beginning ofMarchGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I too have an overactive letdown. My ds is 10 months old and it is, on

the most part, under control. It was a very long time coming. I still have

a leaking problem. I too can pump in 30 seconds 5 oz. I don't go beyound

that because I just try to get the fore milk out for ds to have hind milk at

bed time. He still has tons! LLL helped me much.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

I am trying desperately to get Bethany in to a feeding

specialist (thanks to whomever for the tip!!!!). Hopefully

this will help us all out.

One question..... the mom who took her baby to a

feeding specialist.... how did you get your insurance

to cover? What was the diagnosis?

I just think that Bethany & I both have so many things

working against us right now that just MAYBE a feeding

specialist will help? I don't know, but I am reaching the

point of desperation. She has started latching on more

frequently, however she has spent most of her waking

hours screaming inconsolably the last two days. The

only relief is when I wear her in the sling - tiring for my

back!

Thank you all for listening & helping!

Yours,

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Welcome to the list. I'm the mother of two girls and Emmy, ages 2

3/4 and 14 months. Fortuantely, both of my girls have taken to the breast

very well and I've had none of the problems you've described. I also have

hypothyroidism and take Synthroid (when I remember to!). From what I ahve

been told, hypothyroidism can effect milk supply but the problem is under

not over supply. However, in your situation with your thyroid going back

and forth, it may have played a part. Have you talked with your doctor

about it? I know you will get lots of good information and advice from the

women on this list and your next breastfeeding attempt will be a complete

success! That's not to imply that you failed before. Six weeks is a lot

better than nothing when it comes to breastfeeding.

Blithe

[Guest guest]

One question..... the mom who took her baby to a

feeding specialist.... how did you get your insurance

to cover? What was the diagnosis?

It is covered under occupational therapy. You can call you insurance company and ask what the coverage is and if you need a referral. My ped is the one that sent me to her so there was no problem with the referral. It is only a bit more expensive that an LC, but our insurance doesn't cover an LC. Have you had anyone to help you with her latch?

Her diagnosis is reflux. She has an aversion to eating because of all the pain she is in.

I just think that Bethany & I both have so many things

working against us right now that just MAYBE a feeding

specialist will help? I don't know, but I am reaching the

point of desperation. She has started latching on more

frequently, however she has spent most of her waking

hours screaming inconsolably the last two days. The

only relief is when I wear her in the sling - tiring for my

back!

I can really feel for you. We spent many hours walking around with Mikayla. When I took her to the feeding specialist, she pointed out to me that she has a stiff neck and wants to hold her head one way. We figured out that it was because DH and I were carrying her around in the one position that she liked and we did it so much that her neck got stiff!

Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Kim,

I'm Amy Lynn, currently nursing my second. I did not have OSC, but dd was prone to spitting up. I have done the 3 hr per side and then switch thing with her periodically to minimize spitting up. It also helped to stabilize my supply during initial engorgement.

I'd personally recommend trying this technique if your child only nurses one breast per feeding. I have never been a by-the-clock nurser either.

Amy Lynnmother to 1-25-98 and 2-10-00

I started feeding him 3 hours per side, meaning instead of feeding from both breasts every time or switching every feeding (which is what I was doing before) I would switch sides every three hours. Every time he wanted to be fed between 9 am and 12 pm he got the left side, then from 12 to 3 he got the right side (that's just an example). I also expressed the first letdown into a cloth diaper or receiving blanket because it made him choke and sputter. I introduced a pacifier then as well, he wanted to suck all night but always ended up puking lots in our bed. He took the pacifier well. After a week I had him weighed and he had gained 8 ounces so I knew we were doing ok. I noticed a difference in my letdown within that week and his colic symptoms went away.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , and everyone else for welcoming me!

-Kim

Re: introduction

In a message dated 10/18/00 11:01:14 AM Central Daylight Time,

kimryan@... writes:

<< Great advice! But, doesn't feeding too often cause more milk

production?

I mean, I think you were describing feeding-on-demand -and then switching

breasts every three hours. Is that the best way to go, especially for

someone that already is producing too much milk? Sorry, so many

questions-

I consider myself such a novice here.

Thanks a bunch.

-Kim >>

Nick also had the Oversupply Syndrome Colic. I thought the same thing, that

it would cause more milk production. But it didn't. I could tell a

difference in Nick is just a couple of days as far as gasiness and choking

on

my let down. Nick didn't have as many of the symptoms as Rowan and I

followed the guidleines more loosely but they really did help us. The lady

that I coresponded with (it is her website that Michele sent) is very

friendly and knowledgable about this.

W.

Christian 8 1/2, Caleb 6 3/4, Kiernan 2 3/4, 6 months

Come see us at:

http://home.talkcity.com/CarpoolLn/Reminisce71/home.html

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Re: introduction

Hey Kim, welcome to the list and congratulations on your upcoming little

one. I'm also due at the first of March with my next baby. I have Drake

who

is 2yrs.(still nursing) and had 2 heartwrenching miscarriages. We are

really

excited about this baby.

Don't beat yourself up over your difficulties in the past. It's great

that you were able to give your daughters 6weeks of mommy milk!! I'm sure

your dedication with this next one will pay off as well. There are lots of

women here with a lot of information on all sorts of issues so you've found

a

great support system here!!

Again, welcome, and feel free to ask away on any type of question you

might have!!

Fawn

Drake 8-18-98 edd 03-05-01

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Fawn,

Thank you for your kind words and support! I'm also on a list called

march2001 (AT) e for moms expecting then. It would be nice to have

you there, as well! Sorry about your miscarriages. Glad to know this

pregnancy is going well for you.

-Kim

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Hey Kim, welcome to the list and congratulations on your upcoming little

one. I'm also due at the first of March with my next baby. I have Drake

who

is 2yrs.(still nursing) and had 2 heartwrenching miscarriages. We are

really

excited about this baby.

Don't beat yourself up over your difficulties in the past. It's great

that you were able to give your daughters 6weeks of mommy milk!! I'm sure

your dedication with this next one will pay off as well. There are lots of

women here with a lot of information on all sorts of issues so you've found

a

great support system here!!

Again, welcome, and feel free to ask away on any type of question you

might have!!

Fawn

Drake 8-18-98 edd 03-05-01

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy Lynn and others,

Molly and were both huge spitters, too. So this method of switching sides really helped with the spitting? How does pumping play a role in all of this? How do most of you feel about pumping, especially as it relates to OSC?

Thanks,

Kim

-----Original Message-----From: Amy and Bill Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:29 AMTo: breastfeeding (AT) eSubject: Re: introduction

Welcome, Kim,

I'm Amy Lynn, currently nursing my second. I did not have OSC, but dd was prone to spitting up. I have done the 3 hr per side and then switch thing with her periodically to minimize spitting up. It also helped to stabilize my supply during initial engorgement.

I'd personally recommend trying this technique if your child only nurses one breast per feeding. I have never been a by-the-clock nurser either.

Amy Lynnmother to 1-25-98 and 2-10-00

I started feeding him 3 hours per side, meaning instead of feeding from both breasts every time or switching every feeding (which is what I was doing before) I would switch sides every three hours. Every time he wanted to be fed between 9 am and 12 pm he got the left side, then from 12 to 3 he got the right side (that's just an example). I also expressed the first letdown into a cloth diaper or receiving blanket because it made him choke and sputter. I introduced a pacifier then as well, he wanted to suck all night but always ended up puking lots in our bed. He took the pacifier well. After a week I had him weighed and he had gained 8 ounces so I knew we were doing ok. I noticed a difference in my letdown within that week and his colic symptoms went away.Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you ! I am working very hard to get a referral to

a feeding specialist. I found one at Children's Hospital. The

insurance says that it depends on what the diagnosis is and

all of that sort of thing. Finding out about a feeding specialist

could be a Godsend for us!!!!!

By the way, Bethany latched on 3 times yesterday for 10+

minutes each time! YEAH!!!! I do feel a little vindicated:

DH has been convinced that my milk is her problem and

that we should try formula. Well, last night I finally caved

a bit and we gave her formula (plus nursing all she wanted)

for three feedings. She nursed better for the first feeding

then was just as fussy with the other two. He finally

agreed that the problem isn't going to go away by changing

to formula!!!!! I am working on fixing the problem of foremilk-

hindmilk/overactive letdown to see if that will help. ,

are these things that the feeding specialist can help with also?

Thanks so much!!!!!