Guest guest Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hi I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 The DSMV is removing NPD from their personality disorder list. Those formerly classified as NPD would probably fall under BPD now. I think they realize how similar those two diagnoses are. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201002/dsm-v-offers-new-crit\ eria-personality-disorders > > Hi > > > I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? > > Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. > > And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 The DSMV is removing NPD from their personality disorder list. Those formerly classified as NPD would probably fall under BPD now. I think they realize how similar those two diagnoses are. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201002/dsm-v-offers-new-crit\ eria-personality-disorders > > Hi > > > I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? > > Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. > > And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Tretre my mother is similar. I wish they'd keep NPD around because to me it is worthwhile as a separate diagnosis. My father is clear and pure NPD. My nada though has the emotional lability and childlike aspects of BPD without the overt grandiosity. She does have the massive self-centeredness and lack of empathy. Straight up NPD's aren't childlike outside of their anger - they come across as far more in control and adult. Still those people writing the DSM didn't consult me! Eliza > > Hi > > > I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? > > Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. > > And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Lol, and I wasn't consulted either! I wish the DSM would either: (a) just use the ICD-10, the international classification system (*that they're already using or switching to for billing purposes*), or ( just have this HUGE checklist of behaviors/traits/symptoms with a place to check off " frequency " 0-4 and " intensity " , 0-4 and then come up with a totally customized, individual diagnosis for each patient instead of fitting the patient into one category (that perhaps doesn't cover all the symptoms) or into multiple, overlapping categories (to include all the symptoms but also indicates symptoms that are not relevant.) And yes, I agree that if categories/slots/labels are kept, then narcissistic personality disorder should not be jettisoned unless it is reclassified as something like " mild psychopathy " or " non-criminal psychopathy. " -Annie > > Tretre my mother is similar. I wish they'd keep NPD around because to me it is worthwhile as a separate diagnosis. My father is clear and pure NPD. My nada though has the emotional lability and childlike aspects of BPD without the overt grandiosity. She does have the massive self-centeredness and lack of empathy. Straight up NPD's aren't childlike outside of their anger - they come across as far more in control and adult. Still those people writing the DSM didn't consult me! > > Eliza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Lol, and I wasn't consulted either! I wish the DSM would either: (a) just use the ICD-10, the international classification system (*that they're already using or switching to for billing purposes*), or ( just have this HUGE checklist of behaviors/traits/symptoms with a place to check off " frequency " 0-4 and " intensity " , 0-4 and then come up with a totally customized, individual diagnosis for each patient instead of fitting the patient into one category (that perhaps doesn't cover all the symptoms) or into multiple, overlapping categories (to include all the symptoms but also indicates symptoms that are not relevant.) And yes, I agree that if categories/slots/labels are kept, then narcissistic personality disorder should not be jettisoned unless it is reclassified as something like " mild psychopathy " or " non-criminal psychopathy. " -Annie > > Tretre my mother is similar. I wish they'd keep NPD around because to me it is worthwhile as a separate diagnosis. My father is clear and pure NPD. My nada though has the emotional lability and childlike aspects of BPD without the overt grandiosity. She does have the massive self-centeredness and lack of empathy. Straight up NPD's aren't childlike outside of their anger - they come across as far more in control and adult. Still those people writing the DSM didn't consult me! > > Eliza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Lol, and I wasn't consulted either! I wish the DSM would either: (a) just use the ICD-10, the international classification system (*that they're already using or switching to for billing purposes*), or ( just have this HUGE checklist of behaviors/traits/symptoms with a place to check off " frequency " 0-4 and " intensity " , 0-4 and then come up with a totally customized, individual diagnosis for each patient instead of fitting the patient into one category (that perhaps doesn't cover all the symptoms) or into multiple, overlapping categories (to include all the symptoms but also indicates symptoms that are not relevant.) And yes, I agree that if categories/slots/labels are kept, then narcissistic personality disorder should not be jettisoned unless it is reclassified as something like " mild psychopathy " or " non-criminal psychopathy. " -Annie > > Tretre my mother is similar. I wish they'd keep NPD around because to me it is worthwhile as a separate diagnosis. My father is clear and pure NPD. My nada though has the emotional lability and childlike aspects of BPD without the overt grandiosity. She does have the massive self-centeredness and lack of empathy. Straight up NPD's aren't childlike outside of their anger - they come across as far more in control and adult. Still those people writing the DSM didn't consult me! > > Eliza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I have been told that NPD & BPD do have overlapping behaviors. The chief difference is that NP's cannot empathize, and BP's can. I know my nada does reach out to others and seems genuinely concerned for those with troubles, so that's why I believe she is BPD instead of NPD. But both are so close, and either way it always ends up with her gaining all the glory & limelight, and needing everyone to praise her for caring about others. Jan > > Hi > > > I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? > > Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. > > And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I have been told that NPD & BPD do have overlapping behaviors. The chief difference is that NP's cannot empathize, and BP's can. I know my nada does reach out to others and seems genuinely concerned for those with troubles, so that's why I believe she is BPD instead of NPD. But both are so close, and either way it always ends up with her gaining all the glory & limelight, and needing everyone to praise her for caring about others. Jan > > Hi > > > I was reading about Narcissism, and some things sounded a lot like Nada, and some didn't. Same with BPD, there are definite YES!'s to some behaviors and no's to others. I was wondering if people could shed some light on the differences between the two, in their understanding? > > Some yes's - gaslighting, lying about previous events, making everything about her, denying any culpability in anything, ignoring or belittling my feelings. Especially managing to always look good in front of other people and keep the mean behind closed doors. Saying things that are hidden insults, so that she can claim you're just being oversensitive. Saying that she didn't mean to be so hard on you it's just that you're so difficult - so all the blame ends up back on you. > > And you can't call her on any of these things, she wiggles right out of it and makes it that you're the one with the problem. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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