Re: Psychopathy in children

[Guest guest]

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday searching for it around the Internet and

all I could locate was a guy who has DVD copies he is selling. As far as I can

discover it simply is not available for viewing online, anywhere. I wrote the

people who made the documentary (the Canadian Broadcasting Company's " The Fifth

Estate " program) and asked them if they would make it available for viewing at

their site (they have some of their material available for viewing) and I asked

if that wasn't possible if they could tell me why; so, I'll let the Group know

if I get a response.

-Annie

>

> Good point about the parents when people aren't watching! That

> crossed my mind. Have not seen " The trouble with Evan " . I too would

> be interested in seeing it!

>

> Mia

>

[Guest guest]

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday searching for it around the Internet and

all I could locate was a guy who has DVD copies he is selling. As far as I can

discover it simply is not available for viewing online, anywhere. I wrote the

people who made the documentary (the Canadian Broadcasting Company's " The Fifth

Estate " program) and asked them if they would make it available for viewing at

their site (they have some of their material available for viewing) and I asked

if that wasn't possible if they could tell me why; so, I'll let the Group know

if I get a response.

-Annie

>

> Good point about the parents when people aren't watching! That

> crossed my mind. Have not seen " The trouble with Evan " . I too would

> be interested in seeing it!

>

> Mia

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Annie,

The practice of parental " sabotage - of - the - self " used against the

scapegoat child is a deeply disturbing, and difficult to address under-tow

in the dynamics of PD families. I think there is a Munchhausen - like

quality to this behavior. The abuser is just making the child seem crazy -

sick, instead of physically - sick.

I am having a terribly, terribly, difficult time coming to terms with

the devastation and destruction it has caused in my own family.

Even though each member experienced it, to some degree, in their own

relationship and interactions with our Pd family member, and observed it

in their treatment of other family members, it was as though there was a

family agreement to be blind to it.

This unspoken but binding agreement allowed this person to commit acts

that went beyond grievous and cruel, without ever being held accountable.

This person has a history of confessing really, really, *bad* behaviors

to me, in a way that seems a lot more like bragging, then becomes

afraid I *might

*tell, and takes revenge on the *possibility, that I will tell*, by making

attacks on my credibility. They would even say to me " you can't repeat

this to anyone, not even your therapist... "

I know they've done something bad, when they begin to try to convince *me,

proactively, *how paranoid *I *am, and starts telling others that I'm

mentally / physically fragile, (very Munchhausen - esque,) I'm paranoid,

unstable, promiscuous, and so on.

Gaslighting x Pi

Thanks Annie, for doing the search!

Sunspot

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, anuria67854 anuria-67854@...>wrote:

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> I spent quite a bit of time yesterday searching for it around the Internet

> and all I could locate was a guy who has DVD copies he is selling. As far

> as I can discover it simply is not available for viewing online, anywhere.

> I wrote the people who made the documentary (the Canadian Broadcasting

> Company's " The Fifth Estate " program) and asked them if they would make it

> available for viewing at their site (they have some of their material

> available for viewing) and I asked if that wasn't possible if they could

> tell me why; so, I'll let the Group know if I get a response.

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

(((((Sunspot)))))

Wow, I hope that you and the other members of your family are not in danger now

from the psychopathic foo-member you wrote of. How horrible, and how dangerous

and stressful for all of you. And yes, the " let's not mention the elephant in

the living room; just walk around it " syndrome seems to be so common! I would

like to read and understand more about THAT dysfunctional dynamic.

And I agree, its probably very likely that in some cases a child is assigned the

role of " designated problem-child " , and the child is made psychologically ill

in a Munchauesen's-by-proxy-type of way. (In Munchausen's-by-proxy, the mother

is usually the perpetrator by an overwhelming 90+%)

Here is the link to an article that discusses this issue: that covert video

surveillance is necessary in order to prove or disprove Munchausen's-by-proxy

behaviors by the mother (inducing physical symptoms/injuries) and save the

child's life:

http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/content/30/6/46.full

Its such a complex thing, diagnosing and treating mental illnesses, particularly

if a child is involved. Hopefully it is or will become standard practice to

insist on a fully three-dimensional picture (observing family dynamics overtly

and covertly over time) by the diagnosing physician or team before a diagnosis

can be determined.

-Annie

>

> Thanks Annie,

>

> The practice of parental " sabotage - of - the - self " used against the

> scapegoat child is a deeply disturbing, and difficult to address under-tow

> in the dynamics of PD families. I think there is a Munchhausen - like

> quality to this behavior. The abuser is just making the child seem crazy -

> sick, instead of physically - sick.

>

> I am having a terribly, terribly, difficult time coming to terms with

> the devastation and destruction it has caused in my own family.

>

> Even though each member experienced it, to some degree, in their own

> relationship and interactions with our Pd family member, and observed it

> in their treatment of other family members, it was as though there was a

> family agreement to be blind to it.

>

> This unspoken but binding agreement allowed this person to commit acts

> that went beyond grievous and cruel, without ever being held accountable.

>

> This person has a history of confessing really, really, *bad* behaviors

> to me, in a way that seems a lot more like bragging, then becomes

> afraid I *might

> *tell, and takes revenge on the *possibility, that I will tell*, by making

> attacks on my credibility. They would even say to me " you can't repeat

> this to anyone, not even your therapist... "

>

> I know they've done something bad, when they begin to try to convince *me,

> proactively, *how paranoid *I *am, and starts telling others that I'm

> mentally / physically fragile, (very Munchhausen - esque,) I'm paranoid,

> unstable, promiscuous, and so on.

>

> Gaslighting x Pi

>

> Thanks Annie, for doing the search!

> Sunspot

[Guest guest]

(((((Sunspot)))))

Wow, I hope that you and the other members of your family are not in danger now

from the psychopathic foo-member you wrote of. How horrible, and how dangerous

and stressful for all of you. And yes, the " let's not mention the elephant in

the living room; just walk around it " syndrome seems to be so common! I would

like to read and understand more about THAT dysfunctional dynamic.

And I agree, its probably very likely that in some cases a child is assigned the

role of " designated problem-child " , and the child is made psychologically ill

in a Munchauesen's-by-proxy-type of way. (In Munchausen's-by-proxy, the mother

is usually the perpetrator by an overwhelming 90+%)

Here is the link to an article that discusses this issue: that covert video

surveillance is necessary in order to prove or disprove Munchausen's-by-proxy

behaviors by the mother (inducing physical symptoms/injuries) and save the

child's life:

http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/content/30/6/46.full

Its such a complex thing, diagnosing and treating mental illnesses, particularly

if a child is involved. Hopefully it is or will become standard practice to

insist on a fully three-dimensional picture (observing family dynamics overtly

and covertly over time) by the diagnosing physician or team before a diagnosis

can be determined.

-Annie

>

> Thanks Annie,

>

> The practice of parental " sabotage - of - the - self " used against the

> scapegoat child is a deeply disturbing, and difficult to address under-tow

> in the dynamics of PD families. I think there is a Munchhausen - like

> quality to this behavior. The abuser is just making the child seem crazy -

> sick, instead of physically - sick.

>

> I am having a terribly, terribly, difficult time coming to terms with

> the devastation and destruction it has caused in my own family.

>

> Even though each member experienced it, to some degree, in their own

> relationship and interactions with our Pd family member, and observed it

> in their treatment of other family members, it was as though there was a

> family agreement to be blind to it.

>

> This unspoken but binding agreement allowed this person to commit acts

> that went beyond grievous and cruel, without ever being held accountable.

>

> This person has a history of confessing really, really, *bad* behaviors

> to me, in a way that seems a lot more like bragging, then becomes

> afraid I *might

> *tell, and takes revenge on the *possibility, that I will tell*, by making

> attacks on my credibility. They would even say to me " you can't repeat

> this to anyone, not even your therapist... "

>

> I know they've done something bad, when they begin to try to convince *me,

> proactively, *how paranoid *I *am, and starts telling others that I'm

> mentally / physically fragile, (very Munchhausen - esque,) I'm paranoid,

> unstable, promiscuous, and so on.

>

> Gaslighting x Pi

>

> Thanks Annie, for doing the search!

> Sunspot