Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I recently started treatment for depression as I was feeling trapped and hopeless about everything it didn't make sense as I have a supportive partner and 3 great kids and my mother lives with me. It wasn't until my 7th session with my psychologist that I had an AH HA moment I was going through my mothers issues and how I dealt with them when he said that sounds a " bit histrionic or borderline " I know both terms are different. So I looked for research the link between depression and a parent with BPD and nearly fell off my chair... There was a heap of stuff out there one particular book I read on the subject I started to cry it was how I felt most of my life and realised that it had a lot to do with how my mother interacted with me as a child and how I view the world today. Another thing that hit me was 5 points that are prevalent in children of parent/s with BDP is that their more likely to have: depression low self esteem attachment issues initmacy issues and suicidal ideation/attempts I admit that I have 4/5, never ever thought of suicide personally. Is this true for everyone? Don't get me wrong I do not blame her because I know I can not control her behaviours and I acknowlege it but I don't like it and the fact that she managed to move in with me because of my feelings of guilt when her and dad split up fell straight into me looking after her in her old age, Her behaviours affect my relationship with my husband and it effects my kids and I feel as though I have let them down, by allowing her in. I am learning boundarIes but it's real difficult when she constantly oversteps them. How can I make it easier for me to deal with my mothers behaviours and at the same time learn assertiveness which was ripped out of me when I was a kid? Does anyone have any ideas? I am greatful that there is a support group for adult children with parents with BPD at least I don't feel so isolated anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Hi Archboldl, That is a very difficult position to be in, when you are fighting depression yet you are continually exposed to a major cause of your depression. I feel great sympathy for you; my younger Sister was in a similar situation. She had volunteered to be our nada's (bpd/npd mother's) part-time care-giver and Sister became more and more depressed as the years went on, because according to our nada nothing Sister did was ever good enough, done right, or done often enough to please our nada. I could hear how truly depressed my Sister was whenever I spoke with her, and it really scared me. Fortunately my Sister chose to go into therapy, got lucky and found a very compassionate therapist who pretty much absolved my Sister of all her misplaced and inappropriate guilt feelings. He allowed my Sister to accept that it was NOT Sister's job to manage our nada's feelings for her; it was NOT Sister's job to make sure nada was happy. Sister and I agreed that we'd see that our nada had her material needs met, and fortunately nada herself had been good with money; she and dad had arranged so that nada would be provided for after his death. But nada wasn't a happy person and never had been; she was demanding, controlling, hyper-critical and perfectionistic. No matter how much of Sister's free time was spent going over to see nada, doing things for nada, Sister was subjected to relentless criticism, tears and drama from our nada. Sister told me that the only way she finally was able to manage was to completely (virtually totally) emotionally detach from our nada, as though in her heart our mother/nada had physically died, and that this person she was looking after was simply one of her clients. Sister was able to develop a compassionate but professional detachment in which Sister was able to interact with our mother/nada *without caring if nada was pleased with Sister or not.* I was totally in support of my Sister in this, as I had chosen to go totally No Contact with our mother/nada myself,\ due to her relentless criticism, emotional manipulation and the impact that had on me. (I also felt at the time that perhaps if our nada had only Sister to rely on, she might treat Sister better, but that didn't happen.) My suggestion to you is to read all you can about personality disorder, particularly the Cluster B pds. " Understanding The Borderline Mother " helped me a great deal. " Surviving a Borderline Parent " gets recommended here also. I also suggest books about overcoming co-dependency, such as " Co-dependent No More " , and books about setting and enforcing boundaries for yourself like " Stop Walking On Eggshells " and the newer editions of that book. And " Toxic Parents " . And " Bad Childhood, Good Life. " I've heard that depression is sometimes anger turned inward against the self, because for whatever reason you have not been allowed to express your anger. This makes a great deal of sense to me; it was very relevant in my own case. I suggest perhaps bringing this up with your therapist, who may think its healthy for you to figure out how to access your own anger, your righteous indignation over being used and sucked dry, and so become more proactive and assertive when someone is attempting to treat you like a doormat. I'll conclude this long response with this concept, that I hope you can take in: You did not cause your mother to have a personality disorder, you can't control her behaviors and you can't cure her. The only power you have is to change the way you, yourself, react to her behaviors. It will take a paradigm shift in your thinking, to realize that you were not put on this earth to be someone else's emotional punching bag, that its NOT your job to be your mother's mommy or her therapist, and that you deserve to have your own joyful adult life and family of your own. You and your husband and your kids deserve time for yourselves, you deserve your own home and your own family happiness. Your mother is responsible for her own feelings and taking care of her own need for happiness and companionship and getting therapy for herself if she is unhappy. Its not your job to manage her feelings for her. I hope that helps. -Annie > > I recently started treatment for depression as I was feeling trapped and hopeless about everything it didn't make sense as I have a supportive partner and 3 great kids and my mother lives with me. It wasn't until my 7th session with my psychologist that I had an AH HA moment I was going through my mothers issues and how I dealt with them when he said that sounds a " bit histrionic or borderline " I know both terms are different. So I looked for research the link between depression and a parent with BPD and nearly fell off my chair... There was a heap of stuff out there one particular book I read on the subject I started to cry it was how I felt most of my life and realised that it had a lot to do with how my mother interacted with me as a child and how I view the world today. > Another thing that hit me was 5 points that are prevalent in children of parent/s with BDP is that their more likely to have: > depression > low self esteem > attachment issues > initmacy issues and > suicidal ideation/attempts > I admit that I have 4/5, never ever thought of suicide personally. Is this true for everyone? > Don't get me wrong I do not blame her because I know I can not control her behaviours and I acknowlege it but I don't like it and the fact that she managed to move in with me because of my feelings of guilt when her and dad split up fell straight into me looking after her in her old age, > Her behaviours affect my relationship with my husband and it effects my kids and I feel as though I have let them down, by allowing her in. I am learning boundarIes but it's real difficult when she constantly oversteps them. > How can I make it easier for me to deal with my mothers behaviours and at the same time learn assertiveness which was ripped out of me when I was a kid? Does anyone have any ideas? > I am greatful that there is a support group for adult children with parents with BPD at least I don't feel so isolated anymore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hi Annie Thank you so much for sharing. You so have it in the bag. I never really thought about it until my therapist gave me an inkling of what I was up against and you are so right it will take a paradigm shift in thinking because it has so affected my life and my worklife. I noticed that I even pick friends who are either HPD or LPD in fact I have a sister in law who is a LPD and we do NC with her as advised by our therapist. She was originally my friend first then she met my BIL and thats when the roller coaster started. The funny things is I work as a nurse blitzed my MH courses and was blind to the fact that I lived with a Queen HPD all my life and I m only coming to grips that behaviour has shaped some pretty maladaptive behaviours in  me and how I interact with the world as I do. Thank you so much for your advice ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: New to the group. My mother is a high functioning BPD and she lives with me  Hi Archboldl, That is a very difficult position to be in, when you are fighting depression yet you are continually exposed to a major cause of your depression. I feel great sympathy for you; my younger Sister was in a similar situation. She had volunteered to be our nada's (bpd/npd mother's) part-time care-giver and Sister became more and more depressed as the years went on, because according to our nada nothing Sister did was ever good enough, done right, or done often enough to please our nada. I could hear how truly depressed my Sister was whenever I spoke with her, and it really scared me. Fortunately my Sister chose to go into therapy, got lucky and found a very compassionate therapist who pretty much absolved my Sister of all her misplaced and inappropriate guilt feelings. He allowed my Sister to accept that it was NOT Sister's job to manage our nada's feelings for her; it was NOT Sister's job to make sure nada was happy. Sister and I agreed that we'd see that our nada had her material needs met, and fortunately nada herself had been good with money; she and dad had arranged so that nada would be provided for after his death. But nada wasn't a happy person and never had been; she was demanding, controlling, hyper-critical and perfectionistic. No matter how much of Sister's free time was spent going over to see nada, doing things for nada, Sister was subjected to relentless criticism, tears and drama from our nada. Sister told me that the only way she finally was able to manage was to completely (virtually totally) emotionally detach from our nada, as though in her heart our mother/nada had physically died, and that this person she was looking after was simply one of her clients. Sister was able to develop a compassionate but professional detachment in which Sister was able to interact with our mother/nada *without caring if nada was pleased with Sister or not.* I was totally in support of my Sister in this, as I had chosen to go totally No Contact with our mother/nada myself,\ due to her relentless criticism, emotional manipulation and the impact that had on me. (I also felt at the time that perhaps if our nada had only Sister to rely on, she might treat Sister better, but that didn't happen.) My suggestion to you is to read all you can about personality disorder, particularly the Cluster B pds. " Understanding The Borderline Mother " helped me a great deal. " Surviving a Borderline Parent " gets recommended here also. I also suggest books about overcoming co-dependency, such as " Co-dependent No More " , and books about setting and enforcing boundaries for yourself like " Stop Walking On Eggshells " and the newer editions of that book. And " Toxic Parents " . And " Bad Childhood, Good Life. " I've heard that depression is sometimes anger turned inward against the self, because for whatever reason you have not been allowed to express your anger. This makes a great deal of sense to me; it was very relevant in my own case. I suggest perhaps bringing this up with your therapist, who may think its healthy for you to figure out how to access your own anger, your righteous indignation over being used and sucked dry, and so become more proactive and assertive when someone is attempting to treat you like a doormat. I'll conclude this long response with this concept, that I hope you can take in: You did not cause your mother to have a personality disorder, you can't control her behaviors and you can't cure her. The only power you have is to change the way you, yourself, react to her behaviors. It will take a paradigm shift in your thinking, to realize that you were not put on this earth to be someone else's emotional punching bag, that its NOT your job to be your mother's mommy or her therapist, and that you deserve to have your own joyful adult life and family of your own. You and your husband and your kids deserve time for yourselves, you deserve your own home and your own family happiness. Your mother is responsible for her own feelings and taking care of her own need for happiness and companionship and getting therapy for herself if she is unhappy. Its not your job to manage her feelings for her. I hope that helps. -Annie > > I recently started treatment for depression as I was feeling trapped and hopeless about everything it didn't make sense as I have a supportive partner and 3 great kids and my mother lives with me. It wasn't until my 7th session with my psychologist that I had an AH HA moment I was going through my mothers issues and how I dealt with them when he said that sounds a " bit histrionic or borderline " I know both terms are different. So I looked for research the link between depression and a parent with BPD and nearly fell off my chair... There was a heap of stuff out there one particular book I read on the subject I started to cry it was how I felt most of my life and realised that it had a lot to do with how my mother interacted with me as a child and how I view the world today. > Another thing that hit me was 5 points that are prevalent in children of parent/s with BDP is that their more likely to have: > depression > low self esteem > attachment issues > initmacy issues and > suicidal ideation/attempts > I admit that I have 4/5, never ever thought of suicide personally. Is this true for everyone? > Don't get me wrong I do not blame her because I know I can not control her behaviours and I acknowlege it but I don't like it and the fact that she managed to move in with me because of my feelings of guilt when her and dad split up fell straight into me looking after her in her old age, > Her behaviours affect my relationship with my husband and it effects my kids and I feel as though I have let them down, by allowing her in. I am learning boundarIes but it's real difficult when she constantly oversteps them. > How can I make it easier for me to deal with my mothers behaviours and at the same time learn assertiveness which was ripped out of me when I was a kid? Does anyone have any ideas? > I am greatful that there is a support group for adult children with parents with BPD at least I don't feel so isolated anymore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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