A couple of AA-critical(?) web pages

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I ran across this odd little page - it's hard to determine

whether the author is pro, anti, or just ambivalent about AA,

but it has some rather silly criticisms of a few of the alternatives

to AA:

http://www.geocities.com/mikofeline/alky.html>

Perhaps more pertinent is the link to this page, which appears

to have some well thought out comments on " substance abuse treatment " :

http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~btcarrol/skeptic/sat.html>

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[Guest guest]

Ben:

The second link " lead " me to SkepDic.com. Pretty cool stuff there.

Tons on Scientology; and I thought AA was dangerous....

Jan

> I ran across this odd little page - it's hard to determine

> whether the author is pro, anti, or just ambivalent about AA,

> but it has some rather silly criticisms of a few of the alternatives

> to AA:

> http://www.geocities.com/mikofeline/alky.html>

>

> Perhaps more pertinent is the link to this page, which appears

> to have some well thought out comments on " substance abuse

treatment " :

> http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~btcarrol/skeptic/sat.html>

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> http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

This guys sounds ambivalent abt AA, basically he seems to like it but

rejects its mythology. He would probably take to SOS or LSR with

relish - maybe in one of them already.

He obviously knows jack shit about Peele. An alcoholic in

denial???? If that doesnt show what complete horsehit that

accusation can be and the limited info it can be based on then I

don't know what does. The only even remotely plausible criticism

like this is " Peele is not an alcoholic and hence doesn't understand

alcoholism " . In fact Peele writes about the health-giving aspects of

alcohol and his difficulty in actually consuming enough to get up to

the optimum consumption for most beneficial effect!

Peele provides a wealth of advice on overcoming drink problems, and

not drinking in the same bar is in fact a perfectly good one. Much

of his work is devoted to the influence of social context of using

(something unfortunately that I never got to bash out with Steve).

made a very good point about an incident in her own life and

that Bush video where he looks like he may have been drinking. He

was at a party where ppl were drinking and having fun. He was

interviewed. What's he gonna do, look like he's a funeral director

on duty at someone's wedding reception? He's gonna jive with it, be

sarcastic, make jokes, be flamboyant, even to maybe swigging a non-

alcoholic drink in a nonchalant way. Tempting though it is, we can't

really conclude anything from that video other than that Shrub

appeared to be joining in with the atmosphere (and remember I'd love

to think otherwise). Addicts often report the urges caused by

familiar surroundings. Drinking in a different bar where you aren;t

known as a lush might well make a difference, not least as a rsult of

the way others treat you - note that this guy never said why Peele

said it might.

P.

> > I ran across this odd little page - it's hard to determine

> > whether the author is pro, anti, or just ambivalent about AA,

> > but it has some rather silly criticisms of a few of the

alternatives

> > to AA:

> > http://www.geocities.com/mikofeline/alky.html>

> >

> > Perhaps more pertinent is the link to this page, which appears

> > to have some well thought out comments on " substance abuse

> treatment " :

> > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~btcarrol/skeptic/sat.html>

> > ----------

> > http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

> I ran across this odd little page - it's hard to determine

> whether the author is pro, anti, or just ambivalent about AA,

> but it has some rather silly criticisms of a few of the

alternatives

> to AA:

> http://www.geocities.com/mikofeline/alky.html>

I'd say he is passive-aggressive about AA (and any other

abstinence/moderation groups), and who needs treatment from a

passive-agressive? I think he needs treatment! ;-)

> Perhaps more pertinent is the link to this page, which appears

> to have some well thought out comments on " substance abuse

treatment " :

> http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~btcarrol/skeptic/sat.html>

I didn't finish reading that, but appears to much more on target,

without pussyfooting around. The other topics at that site are also

interesting though not necessarily related to this list. Thank you,

Ben

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