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Hi all,

I used this article below to show the reproductive endocrinologist

that bc can cause damage to the estrogen receptors, and she said that

this isn't true because it says " Bouchard thinks " and is not

supported by hard data.

" Bouchard said that she thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on

receptors " in the vulvar tissue, causing the tissue to become " more

sensitive to irritating chemicals " and eventually painful to the

touch. "

What's the date on this? So my doctor said that this article is just

an opinion. IS there more?

SHannon

>

> 1.

> Contraception & Family Planning

>

> Researchers Find Possible Association Between Birth Control Pill,

Condition Causing Painful Sex

>

> Oral contraceptive use may be associated with vulvar

vestibulitis, a condition in which the tissue around the opening of

the vagina is inflamed, making sexual intercourse painful, Reuters

Health reports. The condition is most common in young women, and

medical treatment is " rarely " successful; most women must have the

sensitive tissue surgically removed in order to be free of pain

during intercourse. In a study appearing in the Aug. 1 issue of the

American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Celine Bouchard of the

Hopital du Saint-Sacrement in Quebec and colleagues interviewed 138

women with the condition and 309 women without it.

>

> The researchers found that women who had taken oral

contraceptives were almost 'seven times' as likely as women who had

never taken oral contraceptives to have vulvar vestibulitis.

Women who began using OCs before the age of 16 were more than nine

times as likely to develop the condition as women who had not taken

the pills by that age, and the chance of developing vulvar

vestibulitis increased further in women who had used OCs for up to

two to four years. Pills that contained higher doses of androgen

and progestin and lower amounts of estrogen were found to have the

highest correlation with the condition. Bouchard said that she

thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on receptors " in the vulvar

tissue, causing the tissue to become " more sensitive to irritating

chemicals " and eventually painful to the touch. However, Bouchard

noted that not all cases of vulvar vestibulitis are associated with

OC use, and she added that doctors should not stop prescribing

> birth control pills to young women.

>

> " Until our results are validated by another similar study with a

larger cohort of patients, I would be reluctant to suggest to

physicians to inform young girls about this association, " she said,

noting that oral contraceptives are " still the best method of

contraception to prevent undesired pregnancies. " However, she

said that doctors may want to discuss the link with young women

taking OCs for 'non'-contraceptive reasons

>

> (McCook, Reuters Health, 8/7).

>

> ==================================================

> 2. MEDSCAPE Article

> Use of oral contraceptive pills and vulvar vestibulitis: a case-

control

> study.

>

> When OCs were first used before age 16 years, the relative risk of

vulvar vestibulitis reached 9.3 (95 percent confidence interval: 3.2,

27.2) and increased with duration of OC use up to 2-4 years.

>

> The relative risk was higher when the pill used was of 'high'

progestogenic, high androgenic, and 'low' estrogenic potency.

>

> The possibility that OC use may contribute to the occurrence of

> vulvar vestibulitis needs to be evaluated carefully.

>

> =======================================

> 3. LIBIDO

>

> <CLIPPED> BY JOE GRAEDON (A PHARMACOLOGIST)

>

> Q: I am convinced that birth control pills have a negative

impact on sexual desire. When I asked my pharmacist, she insisted

that the levels of hormones are too low to interfere with libido. Is

that true? A friend who has had a similar problem suggested I try

DHEA: She said it helped her, but I am reluctant to take anything

without knowing much about it.

>

> A: According to Dr. Irwin Goldstein, one of the country's leading

experts on sexual issues, birth control pills can 'indeed' depress

desire.

>

> The dietary supplement DHEA is a precursor to both estrogen and

testosterone. While testosterone can be helpful for improving libido,

there is a risk that taking DHEA in combination with oral

contraceptives could result in excessive estrogen. "

> (Dee's note* 'because' DHEA does convert to E & E. and T converts

to estrogen. Also if one adds 'only' an estrogen as in HRT

replacement (without adding T) .. that will 'diminish' the T we do

have even further and even more of a cause for lack of libido.

>

> I do have that one study (can't find it right now) that showed

less T. with those w. vulvodynia as well as LS and why T can be added

topically for it's benefit as well as estrogen cream. AND..... by the

way they know that those with LS (lichen sclerosis) also have less or

no T. receptors shown via biopsy's and why T was used for so many

years previous to the steroids becoming a favorite.

>

> Our hormones MUST be balanced if one is taking any for HRT and

it's a delicate one and why those blood levels are SO important and

to be tested over and over until it's just right for the person

individually not collectively. (I mean for HRT here) not so much

topically because a younger persons blood levels may be fine but it

doesn't mean their hormone 'receptors' are ok. As both E & T are

quite beneficial for the V. skin used topically & regardless of the

hormone blood serum levels. DT

>

> ===============================

>

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Hi all,

I used this article below to show the reproductive endocrinologist

that bc can cause damage to the estrogen receptors, and she said that

this isn't true because it says " Bouchard thinks " and is not

supported by hard data.

" Bouchard said that she thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on

receptors " in the vulvar tissue, causing the tissue to become " more

sensitive to irritating chemicals " and eventually painful to the

touch. "

What's the date on this? So my doctor said that this article is just

an opinion. IS there more?

SHannon

>

> 1.

> Contraception & Family Planning

>

> Researchers Find Possible Association Between Birth Control Pill,

Condition Causing Painful Sex

>

> Oral contraceptive use may be associated with vulvar

vestibulitis, a condition in which the tissue around the opening of

the vagina is inflamed, making sexual intercourse painful, Reuters

Health reports. The condition is most common in young women, and

medical treatment is " rarely " successful; most women must have the

sensitive tissue surgically removed in order to be free of pain

during intercourse. In a study appearing in the Aug. 1 issue of the

American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Celine Bouchard of the

Hopital du Saint-Sacrement in Quebec and colleagues interviewed 138

women with the condition and 309 women without it.

>

> The researchers found that women who had taken oral

contraceptives were almost 'seven times' as likely as women who had

never taken oral contraceptives to have vulvar vestibulitis.

Women who began using OCs before the age of 16 were more than nine

times as likely to develop the condition as women who had not taken

the pills by that age, and the chance of developing vulvar

vestibulitis increased further in women who had used OCs for up to

two to four years. Pills that contained higher doses of androgen

and progestin and lower amounts of estrogen were found to have the

highest correlation with the condition. Bouchard said that she

thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on receptors " in the vulvar

tissue, causing the tissue to become " more sensitive to irritating

chemicals " and eventually painful to the touch. However, Bouchard

noted that not all cases of vulvar vestibulitis are associated with

OC use, and she added that doctors should not stop prescribing

> birth control pills to young women.

>

> " Until our results are validated by another similar study with a

larger cohort of patients, I would be reluctant to suggest to

physicians to inform young girls about this association, " she said,

noting that oral contraceptives are " still the best method of

contraception to prevent undesired pregnancies. " However, she

said that doctors may want to discuss the link with young women

taking OCs for 'non'-contraceptive reasons

>

> (McCook, Reuters Health, 8/7).

>

> ==================================================

> 2. MEDSCAPE Article

> Use of oral contraceptive pills and vulvar vestibulitis: a case-

control

> study.

>

> When OCs were first used before age 16 years, the relative risk of

vulvar vestibulitis reached 9.3 (95 percent confidence interval: 3.2,

27.2) and increased with duration of OC use up to 2-4 years.

>

> The relative risk was higher when the pill used was of 'high'

progestogenic, high androgenic, and 'low' estrogenic potency.

>

> The possibility that OC use may contribute to the occurrence of

> vulvar vestibulitis needs to be evaluated carefully.

>

> =======================================

> 3. LIBIDO

>

> <CLIPPED> BY JOE GRAEDON (A PHARMACOLOGIST)

>

> Q: I am convinced that birth control pills have a negative

impact on sexual desire. When I asked my pharmacist, she insisted

that the levels of hormones are too low to interfere with libido. Is

that true? A friend who has had a similar problem suggested I try

DHEA: She said it helped her, but I am reluctant to take anything

without knowing much about it.

>

> A: According to Dr. Irwin Goldstein, one of the country's leading

experts on sexual issues, birth control pills can 'indeed' depress

desire.

>

> The dietary supplement DHEA is a precursor to both estrogen and

testosterone. While testosterone can be helpful for improving libido,

there is a risk that taking DHEA in combination with oral

contraceptives could result in excessive estrogen. "

> (Dee's note* 'because' DHEA does convert to E & E. and T converts

to estrogen. Also if one adds 'only' an estrogen as in HRT

replacement (without adding T) .. that will 'diminish' the T we do

have even further and even more of a cause for lack of libido.

>

> I do have that one study (can't find it right now) that showed

less T. with those w. vulvodynia as well as LS and why T can be added

topically for it's benefit as well as estrogen cream. AND..... by the

way they know that those with LS (lichen sclerosis) also have less or

no T. receptors shown via biopsy's and why T was used for so many

years previous to the steroids becoming a favorite.

>

> Our hormones MUST be balanced if one is taking any for HRT and

it's a delicate one and why those blood levels are SO important and

to be tested over and over until it's just right for the person

individually not collectively. (I mean for HRT here) not so much

topically because a younger persons blood levels may be fine but it

doesn't mean their hormone 'receptors' are ok. As both E & T are

quite beneficial for the V. skin used topically & regardless of the

hormone blood serum levels. DT

>

> ===============================

>

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I have a related question. How much info is there on birth control

and how it interferes with v.v.? I've just made an appointment with a

doctor in the area who supposedly specializes in vulvar disorders.

Unfortunately, the earliest appointment I could get isn't until

October 22. I wanted to know if I should go ahead and go off my b.c.

since I don't want to further exacerbate the problem, and the nurse

practitioner I got to talk to said she'd never even heard of b.c.

being related to vulvar vestibulitis, and that I should ask my ob/gyn

about it.

The whole reason I'm going to this new doctor (instead of my ob/gyn)

is because he's supposed to know more about it than my ob/gyn, who

gave me lidocaine to apply just before intercourse and nothing else,

and didn't tell me about any other treatments other than

surgery--which he rejected. Should I be nervous about this new office

not knowing as much, or is b.c. really not a concern?

>

> Hi all,

> I used this article below to show the reproductive endocrinologist

> that bc can cause damage to the estrogen receptors, and she said that

> this isn't true because it says " Bouchard thinks " and is not

> supported by hard data.

>

> " Bouchard said that she thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on

> receptors " in the vulvar tissue, causing the tissue to become " more

> sensitive to irritating chemicals " and eventually painful to the

> touch. "

>

> What's the date on this? So my doctor said that this article is just

> an opinion. IS there more?

> SHannon

>

> >

> > 1.

> > Contraception & Family Planning

> >

> > Researchers Find Possible Association Between Birth Control Pill,

> Condition Causing Painful Sex

> >

> > Oral contraceptive use may be associated with vulvar

> vestibulitis, a condition in which the tissue around the opening of

> the vagina is inflamed, making sexual intercourse painful, Reuters

> Health reports. The condition is most common in young women, and

> medical treatment is " rarely " successful; most women must have the

> sensitive tissue surgically removed in order to be free of pain

> during intercourse. In a study appearing in the Aug. 1 issue of the

> American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Celine Bouchard of the

> Hopital du Saint-Sacrement in Quebec and colleagues interviewed 138

> women with the condition and 309 women without it.

> >

> > The researchers found that women who had taken oral

> contraceptives were almost 'seven times' as likely as women who had

> never taken oral contraceptives to have vulvar vestibulitis.

> Women who began using OCs before the age of 16 were more than nine

> times as likely to develop the condition as women who had not taken

> the pills by that age, and the chance of developing vulvar

> vestibulitis increased further in women who had used OCs for up to

> two to four years. Pills that contained higher doses of androgen

> and progestin and lower amounts of estrogen were found to have the

> highest correlation with the condition. Bouchard said that she

> thinks the hormones in OCs may " act on receptors " in the vulvar

> tissue, causing the tissue to become " more sensitive to irritating

> chemicals " and eventually painful to the touch. However, Bouchard

> noted that not all cases of vulvar vestibulitis are associated with

> OC use, and she added that doctors should not stop prescribing

> > birth control pills to young women.

> >

> > " Until our results are validated by another similar study with a

> larger cohort of patients, I would be reluctant to suggest to

> physicians to inform young girls about this association, " she said,

> noting that oral contraceptives are " still the best method of

> contraception to prevent undesired pregnancies. " However, she

> said that doctors may want to discuss the link with young women

> taking OCs for 'non'-contraceptive reasons

> >

> > (McCook, Reuters Health, 8/7).

> >

> > ==================================================

> > 2. MEDSCAPE Article

> > Use of oral contraceptive pills and vulvar vestibulitis: a case-

> control

> > study.

> >

> > When OCs were first used before age 16 years, the relative risk of

> vulvar vestibulitis reached 9.3 (95 percent confidence interval: 3.2,

> 27.2) and increased with duration of OC use up to 2-4 years.

> >

> > The relative risk was higher when the pill used was of 'high'

> progestogenic, high androgenic, and 'low' estrogenic potency.

> >

> > The possibility that OC use may contribute to the occurrence of

> > vulvar vestibulitis needs to be evaluated carefully.

> >

> > =======================================

> > 3. LIBIDO

> >

> > <CLIPPED> BY JOE GRAEDON (A PHARMACOLOGIST)

> >

> > Q: I am convinced that birth control pills have a negative

> impact on sexual desire. When I asked my pharmacist, she insisted

> that the levels of hormones are too low to interfere with libido. Is

> that true? A friend who has had a similar problem suggested I try

> DHEA: She said it helped her, but I am reluctant to take anything

> without knowing much about it.

> >

> > A: According to Dr. Irwin Goldstein, one of the country's leading

> experts on sexual issues, birth control pills can 'indeed' depress

> desire.

> >

> > The dietary supplement DHEA is a precursor to both estrogen and

> testosterone. While testosterone can be helpful for improving libido,

> there is a risk that taking DHEA in combination with oral

> contraceptives could result in excessive estrogen. "

> > (Dee's note* 'because' DHEA does convert to E & E. and T converts

> to estrogen. Also if one adds 'only' an estrogen as in HRT

> replacement (without adding T) .. that will 'diminish' the T we do

> have even further and even more of a cause for lack of libido.

> >

> > I do have that one study (can't find it right now) that showed

> less T. with those w. vulvodynia as well as LS and why T can be added

> topically for it's benefit as well as estrogen cream. AND..... by the

> way they know that those with LS (lichen sclerosis) also have less or

> no T. receptors shown via biopsy's and why T was used for so many

> years previous to the steroids becoming a favorite.

> >

> > Our hormones MUST be balanced if one is taking any for HRT and

> it's a delicate one and why those blood levels are SO important and

> to be tested over and over until it's just right for the person

> individually not collectively. (I mean for HRT here) not so much

> topically because a younger persons blood levels may be fine but it

> doesn't mean their hormone 'receptors' are ok. As both E & T are

> quite beneficial for the V. skin used topically & regardless of the

> hormone blood serum levels. DT

> >

> > ===============================

> >

>

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,

Drs. infuriate me sometimes. Even if they say your hormones are fine,

they may not be - it's a very relative thing. And if you just use

estrace topically (not inserted in the vagina, but just on the opening)

it's not absorbed systemically so it doesn't matter!

I am 26, use estrace daily. I am not currently having sex but hope to

have sex and babies in the next few years! I will decide what to do

about the estrace then. But for right now, it wouldn't hurt you at all,

I don't think. A few very sensitive people can't use it even just

topically but most of us don't have a problem. You definitely need to

get to a better doctor who knows more. I know that feeling of the tight

muscle at the opening that you can't get past - PT should really help!

I am doing weekly PT and dilators and I am getting much better.

Melinda

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Read the literature (patient insert) inside your BC pills. I b elieve it says right in there that vulvar or vaginal (maybe both) irritation or dryness can occur.Eva wrote: I have a related question. How much info is there on birth controland how it interferes with v.v.? I've just made an appointment with adoctor in the area who supposedly specializes in vulvar disorders. Unfortunately, the earliest appointment I could get isn't untilOctober 22. I wanted to know if I should go ahead and go off my b.c.since I don't want to further exacerbate the problem, and the nursepractitioner I got to talk to said she'd never even heard of b.c.being related to vulvar vestibulitis, and that I should ask my ob/gynabout it.The whole reason I'm going to this new doctor (instead of

my ob/gyn)is because he's supposed to know more about it than my ob/gyn, whogave me lidocaine to apply just before intercourse and nothing else,and didn't tell me about any other treatments other thansurgery--which he rejected. Should I be nervous about this new officenot knowing as much, or is b.c. really not a concern?>> Hi all,> I used this article below to show the reproductive endocrinologist > that bc can cause damage to the estrogen receptors, and she said that > this isn't true because it says "Bouchard thinks" and is not > supported by hard data. > > "Bouchard said that she thinks the hormones in OCs may "act on > receptors" in the vulvar tissue, causing the tissue to become "more > sensitive to irritating chemicals" and eventually painful to the > touch. "> > What's the date

on this? So my doctor said that this article is just > an opinion. IS there more?> SHannon> > > > > 1. > > Contraception & Family Planning > > > > Researchers Find Possible Association Between Birth Control Pill, > Condition Causing Painful Sex> > > > Oral contraceptive use may be associated with vulvar > vestibulitis, a condition in which the tissue around the opening of > the vagina is inflamed, making sexual intercourse painful, Reuters > Health reports. The condition is most common in young women, and > medical treatment is "rarely" successful; most women must have the > sensitive tissue surgically removed in order to be free of pain > during intercourse. In a study appearing in the Aug. 1 issue of the > American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Celine Bouchard of the > Hopital du

Saint-Sacrement in Quebec and colleagues interviewed 138 > women with the condition and 309 women without it. > > > > The researchers found that women who had taken oral > contraceptives were almost 'seven times' as likely as women who had > never taken oral contraceptives to have vulvar vestibulitis. > Women who began using OCs before the age of 16 were more than nine > times as likely to develop the condition as women who had not taken > the pills by that age, and the chance of developing vulvar > vestibulitis increased further in women who had used OCs for up to > two to four years. Pills that contained higher doses of androgen > and progestin and lower amounts of estrogen were found to have the > highest correlation with the condition. Bouchard said that she > thinks the hormones in OCs may "act on receptors" in the vulvar > tissue, causing the

tissue to become "more sensitive to irritating > chemicals" and eventually painful to the touch. However, Bouchard > noted that not all cases of vulvar vestibulitis are associated with > OC use, and she added that doctors should not stop prescribing> > birth control pills to young women. > > > > "Until our results are validated by another similar study with a > larger cohort of patients, I would be reluctant to suggest to > physicians to inform young girls about this association," she said, > noting that oral contraceptives are "still the best method of > contraception to prevent undesired pregnancies." However, she > said that doctors may want to discuss the link with young women > taking OCs for 'non'-contraceptive reasons > > > > (McCook, Reuters Health, 8/7). > > > > ==================================================> > 2. MEDSCAPE Article> > Use of oral contraceptive pills and vulvar vestibulitis: a case-> control> > study. > > > > When OCs were first used before age 16 years, the relative risk of > vulvar vestibulitis reached 9.3 (95 percent confidence interval: 3.2, > 27.2) and increased with duration of OC use up to 2-4 years.> > > > The relative risk was higher when the pill used was of 'high' > progestogenic, high androgenic, and 'low' estrogenic potency. > > > > The possibility that OC use may contribute to the occurrence of> > vulvar vestibulitis needs to be evaluated carefully.> > > > =======================================> > 3. LIBIDO> > > > BY JOE GRAEDON (A PHARMACOLOGIST) > > > > Q: I am convinced that birth control pills have a negative > impact on sexual desire. When I asked my pharmacist, she insisted > that the levels of hormones are too low to interfere with libido. Is > that true? A friend who has had a similar problem suggested I try > DHEA: She said it helped her, but I am reluctant to take anything > without knowing much about it. > > > > A: According to Dr. Irwin Goldstein, one of the country's leading > experts on sexual issues, birth control pills can 'indeed' depress > desire. > > > > The dietary supplement DHEA is a precursor to both estrogen and > testosterone. While testosterone can be helpful for improving libido, > there is a risk that taking DHEA in combination with oral > contraceptives could result in excessive estrogen." > > (Dee's note* 'because' DHEA does convert to E & E. and T

converts > to estrogen. Also if one adds 'only' an estrogen as in HRT > replacement (without adding T) .. that will 'diminish' the T we do > have even further and even more of a cause for lack of libido. > > > > I do have that one study (can't find it right now) that showed > less T. with those w. vulvodynia as well as LS and why T can be added > topically for it's benefit as well as estrogen cream. AND..... by the > way they know that those with LS (lichen sclerosis) also have less or > no T. receptors shown via biopsy's and why T was used for so many > years previous to the steroids becoming a favorite. > > > > Our hormones MUST be balanced if one is taking any for HRT and > it's a delicate one and why those blood levels are SO important and > to be tested over and over until it's just right for the person > individually not collectively. (I

mean for HRT here) not so much > topically because a younger persons blood levels may be fine but it > doesn't mean their hormone 'receptors' are ok. As both E & T are > quite beneficial for the V. skin used topically & regardless of the > hormone blood serum levels. DT> > > > ===============================> >>**IF REPLYING TO THIS POST, PLEASE REMOVE ORIGINAL POST, Thanks for your cooperation! *****

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Melinda,

Has the estrace raised your overall hormone levels at all?

What type of doctor did you go to?

Where do you live?

My pain is on the inside of the vaginal opening. It's like a ring of

muscle that won't relax. Would topical estrace on the outside help

this, even though the muscle is on the inside?

Did you use any articles to try to get your doctor to prescribe

estrace, and if so, what were they?

Thanks

shannon

>

> ,

> Drs. infuriate me sometimes. Even if they say your hormones are

fine,

> they may not be - it's a very relative thing. And if you just use

> estrace topically (not inserted in the vagina, but just on the

opening)

> it's not absorbed systemically so it doesn't matter!

> I am 26, use estrace daily. I am not currently having sex but hope

to

> have sex and babies in the next few years! I will decide what to do

> about the estrace then. But for right now, it wouldn't hurt you at

all,

> I don't think. A few very sensitive people can't use it even just

> topically but most of us don't have a problem. You definitely need

to

> get to a better doctor who knows more. I know that feeling of the

tight

> muscle at the opening that you can't get past - PT should really

help!

> I am doing weekly PT and dilators and I am getting much better.

> Melinda

>

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Melinda,

Has the estrace raised your overall hormone levels at all?

What type of doctor did you go to?

Where do you live?

My pain is on the inside of the vaginal opening. It's like a ring of

muscle that won't relax. Would topical estrace on the outside help

this, even though the muscle is on the inside?

Did you use any articles to try to get your doctor to prescribe

estrace, and if so, what were they?

Thanks

shannon

>

> ,

> Drs. infuriate me sometimes. Even if they say your hormones are

fine,

> they may not be - it's a very relative thing. And if you just use

> estrace topically (not inserted in the vagina, but just on the

opening)

> it's not absorbed systemically so it doesn't matter!

> I am 26, use estrace daily. I am not currently having sex but hope

to

> have sex and babies in the next few years! I will decide what to do

> about the estrace then. But for right now, it wouldn't hurt you at

all,

> I don't think. A few very sensitive people can't use it even just

> topically but most of us don't have a problem. You definitely need

to

> get to a better doctor who knows more. I know that feeling of the

tight

> muscle at the opening that you can't get past - PT should really

help!

> I am doing weekly PT and dilators and I am getting much better.

> Melinda

>

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I don't believe the estrace has raised my hormone levels at all, as I

only use it topically, not really internally (except maybe just a tiny

bit inside at the vestibule). I see Dr. , the vulvovaginal

specialist who wrote The V Book. I also just saw a vulvar

dermatologist. Anyway, I don't know if the estrace would help you - I

know it has made my opening more elastic and stretchable, so it theory,

it could. I didn't have to use articles to get the estrace, but my dr.

FLAT OUT refuses to ever prescribe testosterone topically, which I

really want to add. She may eventually prescribe for sex drive -

whatever it takes to get it, I guess! Anyway, from the way you describe

your symptoms, I really think you need to get into a well-trained

pelvic floor PT. That is what has helped me more than anything else.

Melinda

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