Guest guest Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm the adult daughter of a mother who I believe has BPD. For years, it seemed like she was normal and sweet and compassionate maybe 90% of the time. But her rages made me feel emotionally unsafe, and contributed to generalized anxiety that I still deal with at work and in intimate relationships. (Since it was impossible to predict what would trigger my mother's anger, I became and remain hypervigilant and constantly worried about letting down supervisors, screwing up projects, etc. In most areas of my life, I realize I believe on a gut level that if I make an honest mistake, I will have emotional hell to pay.) During my mother's rages, she alternates between being aggressively mean and loud, and giving the silent treatment. These episodes can last for several days. She says hateful things that she doesn't apologize for; she becomes vindictive; she makes a very focused effort to punish the target of her anger. She reverts to a victim/martyr mentality. It was only recently I suspected she might have BPD, and reading `Surviving the Borderline Parent' has been extremely helpful. But while I process this, I find myself resenting my father's role in all of this. My parents are still married, and growing up, my father was around just as much as my mother was. I know that my mother's anger responses have always been this way, so for several years before I was born, my father was dealing with these horrific episodes. I was subjected to this kind of cruel treatment at a very young age – I remember it happening when I was three or four, and continuing all through my childhood. My father himself had a very fearful childhood and grew up in an abusive home. He believes he developed PTSD from watching his father beat the other kids. As a result, my father vowed he would be a loving, compassionate father – and he is. He's accessible. But I never remember him interceding when my mother was emotionally abusive to me. I remember feeling like an awful child, getting yelled at for tiny infractions, and sobbing alone in my room. Sometimes I would become physically ill when my mother yelled at me. I truly believed that this was how all children had it. My father (perhaps not wanting to be the target of my mother's wrath) would act as a sort of go-between, but wasn't terribly sympathetic – he'd often seem cold, too. Sometimes he would even say " You screwed up. " It wasn't until I was about 12 that my father explained to me a bit more about how my mother was – how she lost control of herself when she was angry and said things she didn't mean. How I couldn't take it too personally. How I was a good kid. I resent him for not saying this to me much, much earlier. I resent him for not protecting me more from my mother's damaging behavior. Due to financial issues, I've temporarily moved in with my parents again. My mother's BPD (as I believe it to be) seems worse. My father and I have been going through hell – she expects us to fulfill all her social needs, so it's easy to let her down. I work hard and am planning to move out soon, so I've been distancing myself from this awful situation. I avoid seeing my mother when she's " having an episode. " But I'll often get emails from my father giving me advice about how to " handle " my mother – emails that basically instruct me to appease her manipulative behavior. When she attempts to punish me for some imagined wrong, he'll tell me to give in to it. Because she feels abandoned, he thinks I should make an effort to be home more. I've explained to him how it still takes a toll on my physical health to be in this constant state of tension when she's like this; he argues that I can't " resolve " things with my mother if I'm not around. It's amazing to me that he thinks this way. He knows exactly what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment, and he knows her responses are never rational. I believe that at some point, he made the decision to stay with her and because of that, acts in survival mode. That means not standing up for himself or me, and I know he will never tell her to seek professional help. He and I have had a few emotional conversations about this situation in the past couple weeks. I've been able to tell him honestly how my mother's behavior has made me a fearful adult. What I haven't been able to say is how disappointed I am that he didn't do more to help me, or at least comfort me, when I was too young to know what was going on. Even now, it's not that I need him to protect me – I just want to know that my sense of self-worth, and my dignity, is worth something to him. I feel like my father's reality and my own are diverging: I can see my mother's mental illness and would like for her to get help but, short of that, I would like me and my father to stand up for ourselves and stop appeasing this destructive behavior. My father, however, sees this as his lot. He doesn't think she'll ever change. As I prepare to leave home again, I am seriously considering the more stringent boundaries I'll have to establish with my mother. I don't think my father realizes how much I need to distance myself from our little family. So I have a couple of questions: 1) How do you deal with a complicit (even enabling) parent? 2) Should I tell my father what I believe, that my mother likely suffers from BPD? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 you might want to check into UTBM- Lawsons book, Understanding the Borderline Mother. It talks about the types of BPD mothers and the types of men they partner with and how over and over the child is sacrificed emotionally and physically to the demands of the BPD mother. To address at least part of what you said, YES your father is complicite in your abuse. He allowed it and did little to nothing to protect you and yes, you have EVERY right to be angry at him as well. C > > I'm the adult daughter of a mother who I believe has BPD. For years, it seemed like she was normal and sweet and compassionate maybe 90% of the time. But her rages made me feel emotionally unsafe, and contributed to generalized anxiety that I still deal with at work and in intimate relationships. (Since it was impossible to predict what would trigger my mother's anger, I became and remain hypervigilant and constantly worried about letting down supervisors, screwing up projects, etc. In most areas of my life, I realize I believe on a gut level that if I make an honest mistake, I will have emotional hell to pay.) > > During my mother's rages, she alternates between being aggressively mean and loud, and giving the silent treatment. These episodes can last for several days. She says hateful things that she doesn't apologize for; she becomes vindictive; she makes a very focused effort to punish the target of her anger. She reverts to a victim/martyr mentality. > > It was only recently I suspected she might have BPD, and reading `Surviving the Borderline Parent' has been extremely helpful. > But while I process this, I find myself resenting my father's role in all of this. My parents are still married, and growing up, my father was around just as much as my mother was. I know that my mother's anger responses have always been this way, so for several years before I was born, my father was dealing with these horrific episodes. I was subjected to this kind of cruel treatment at a very young age – I remember it happening when I was three or four, and continuing all through my childhood. > > My father himself had a very fearful childhood and grew up in an abusive home. He believes he developed PTSD from watching his father beat the other kids. As a result, my father vowed he would be a loving, compassionate father – and he is. He's accessible. But I never remember him interceding when my mother was emotionally abusive to me. > I remember feeling like an awful child, getting yelled at for tiny infractions, and sobbing alone in my room. Sometimes I would become physically ill when my mother yelled at me. I truly believed that this was how all children had it. My father (perhaps not wanting to be the target of my mother's wrath) would act as a sort of go-between, but wasn't terribly sympathetic – he'd often seem cold, too. Sometimes he would even say " You screwed up. " > > It wasn't until I was about 12 that my father explained to me a bit more about how my mother was – how she lost control of herself when she was angry and said things she didn't mean. How I couldn't take it too personally. How I was a good kid. > > I resent him for not saying this to me much, much earlier. I resent him for not protecting me more from my mother's damaging behavior. > Due to financial issues, I've temporarily moved in with my parents again. My mother's BPD (as I believe it to be) seems worse. My father and I have been going through hell – she expects us to fulfill all her social needs, so it's easy to let her down. > > I work hard and am planning to move out soon, so I've been distancing myself from this awful situation. I avoid seeing my mother when she's " having an episode. " But I'll often get emails from my father giving me advice about how to " handle " my mother – emails that basically instruct me to appease her manipulative behavior. When she attempts to punish me for some imagined wrong, he'll tell me to give in to it. Because she feels abandoned, he thinks I should make an effort to be home more. I've explained to him how it still takes a toll on my physical health to be in this constant state of tension when she's like this; he argues that I can't " resolve " things with my mother if I'm not around. > > It's amazing to me that he thinks this way. He knows exactly what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment, and he knows her responses are never rational. > > I believe that at some point, he made the decision to stay with her and because of that, acts in survival mode. That means not standing up for himself or me, and I know he will never tell her to seek professional help. > > He and I have had a few emotional conversations about this situation in the past couple weeks. I've been able to tell him honestly how my mother's behavior has made me a fearful adult. What I haven't been able to say is how disappointed I am that he didn't do more to help me, or at least comfort me, when I was too young to know what was going on. > > Even now, it's not that I need him to protect me – I just want to know that my sense of self-worth, and my dignity, is worth something to him. > > I feel like my father's reality and my own are diverging: I can see my mother's mental illness and would like for her to get help but, short of that, I would like me and my father to stand up for ourselves and stop appeasing this destructive behavior. My father, however, sees this as his lot. He doesn't think she'll ever change. > As I prepare to leave home again, I am seriously considering the more stringent boundaries I'll have to establish with my mother. I don't think my father realizes how much I need to distance myself from our little family. > > So I have a couple of questions: > > 1) How do you deal with a complicit (even enabling) parent? > > 2) Should I tell my father what I believe, that my mother likely suffers from BPD? > Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Thank you so much for the book recommendation -- it sounds perfect. Also, thank you for the validation about my anger at my father. It truly is a comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I could've written this post myself...I get angry with my father. And then I realize he's been trapped in her web of lies, manipulation, and alternate reality for close to forty years. He doesn't have the capacity to see through the FOG. I have to tell myself that over and over to keep the anger with him at bay. I don't suppose that's helpful to you. Just know that you aren't alone. > > I'm the adult daughter of a mother who I believe has BPD. For years, it seemed like she was normal and sweet and compassionate maybe 90% of the time. But her rages made me feel emotionally unsafe, and contributed to generalized anxiety that I still deal with at work and in intimate relationships. (Since it was impossible to predict what would trigger my mother's anger, I became and remain hypervigilant and constantly worried about letting down supervisors, screwing up projects, etc. In most areas of my life, I realize I believe on a gut level that if I make an honest mistake, I will have emotional hell to pay.) > > During my mother's rages, she alternates between being aggressively mean and loud, and giving the silent treatment. These episodes can last for several days. She says hateful things that she doesn't apologize for; she becomes vindictive; she makes a very focused effort to punish the target of her anger. She reverts to a victim/martyr mentality. > > It was only recently I suspected she might have BPD, and reading `Surviving the Borderline Parent' has been extremely helpful. > But while I process this, I find myself resenting my father's role in all of this. My parents are still married, and growing up, my father was around just as much as my mother was. I know that my mother's anger responses have always been this way, so for several years before I was born, my father was dealing with these horrific episodes. I was subjected to this kind of cruel treatment at a very young age – I remember it happening when I was three or four, and continuing all through my childhood. > > My father himself had a very fearful childhood and grew up in an abusive home. He believes he developed PTSD from watching his father beat the other kids. As a result, my father vowed he would be a loving, compassionate father – and he is. He's accessible. But I never remember him interceding when my mother was emotionally abusive to me. > I remember feeling like an awful child, getting yelled at for tiny infractions, and sobbing alone in my room. Sometimes I would become physically ill when my mother yelled at me. I truly believed that this was how all children had it. My father (perhaps not wanting to be the target of my mother's wrath) would act as a sort of go-between, but wasn't terribly sympathetic – he'd often seem cold, too. Sometimes he would even say " You screwed up. " > > It wasn't until I was about 12 that my father explained to me a bit more about how my mother was – how she lost control of herself when she was angry and said things she didn't mean. How I couldn't take it too personally. How I was a good kid. > > I resent him for not saying this to me much, much earlier. I resent him for not protecting me more from my mother's damaging behavior. > Due to financial issues, I've temporarily moved in with my parents again. My mother's BPD (as I believe it to be) seems worse. My father and I have been going through hell – she expects us to fulfill all her social needs, so it's easy to let her down. > > I work hard and am planning to move out soon, so I've been distancing myself from this awful situation. I avoid seeing my mother when she's " having an episode. " But I'll often get emails from my father giving me advice about how to " handle " my mother – emails that basically instruct me to appease her manipulative behavior. When she attempts to punish me for some imagined wrong, he'll tell me to give in to it. Because she feels abandoned, he thinks I should make an effort to be home more. I've explained to him how it still takes a toll on my physical health to be in this constant state of tension when she's like this; he argues that I can't " resolve " things with my mother if I'm not around. > > It's amazing to me that he thinks this way. He knows exactly what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment, and he knows her responses are never rational. > > I believe that at some point, he made the decision to stay with her and because of that, acts in survival mode. That means not standing up for himself or me, and I know he will never tell her to seek professional help. > > He and I have had a few emotional conversations about this situation in the past couple weeks. I've been able to tell him honestly how my mother's behavior has made me a fearful adult. What I haven't been able to say is how disappointed I am that he didn't do more to help me, or at least comfort me, when I was too young to know what was going on. > > Even now, it's not that I need him to protect me – I just want to know that my sense of self-worth, and my dignity, is worth something to him. > > I feel like my father's reality and my own are diverging: I can see my mother's mental illness and would like for her to get help but, short of that, I would like me and my father to stand up for ourselves and stop appeasing this destructive behavior. My father, however, sees this as his lot. He doesn't think she'll ever change. > As I prepare to leave home again, I am seriously considering the more stringent boundaries I'll have to establish with my mother. I don't think my father realizes how much I need to distance myself from our little family. > > So I have a couple of questions: > > 1) How do you deal with a complicit (even enabling) parent? > > 2) Should I tell my father what I believe, that my mother likely suffers from BPD? > Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Difficulty accepting non-BPD parent’s complicityHey- I hope I respond correctly to this post- it's my first time not lurking. I just had to say this is SO eerily similar. Not everything on here strikes a chord- but this is really frightningly like my situation. Secondly- I thought I'd throw in there that you might be surprised- when I suggested to my Dad that my nada might have BPD- he blew my mind by agreeing with me- and then telling me that HIS therapist had told him that at least 15 years ago- and had refused to continue seeing him if he remained in what she considered an abusive relationship. He remained- and obviously stopped seeing this (or any other) therapist, and didn't really see the need to ever share that encounter with me- even when my mom was calling me every other day when I went away to college. Whew. But seriously- I would break your suspicion to your family- it'll probably be at least a relief to you- may be a relief to them, but in my case all it did was confirm that my Dad's been living in FOG for almost 30 + years. He was trying to find a good therapist over the summer (specifically a BPD one, for her) but that kind of petered out. So anyway- give it a go- it's generally less worse than you expect, especially when YOU take the initiative. Best, Jess On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM, thenogoodchild stpmomspeechbbl@...>wrote: > ** > > > I could've written this post myself...I get angry with my father. And then > I realize he's been trapped in her web of lies, manipulation, and alternate > reality for close to forty years. He doesn't have the capacity to see > through the FOG. I have to tell myself that over and over to keep the anger > with him at bay. > > I don't suppose that's helpful to you. Just know that you aren't alone. > > > > > > > I'm the adult daughter of a mother who I believe has BPD. For years, it > seemed like she was normal and sweet and compassionate maybe 90% of the > time. But her rages made me feel emotionally unsafe, and contributed to > generalized anxiety that I still deal with at work and in intimate > relationships. (Since it was impossible to predict what would trigger my > mother's anger, I became and remain hypervigilant and constantly worried > about letting down supervisors, screwing up projects, etc. In most areas of > my life, I realize I believe on a gut level that if I make an honest > mistake, I will have emotional hell to pay.) > > > > During my mother's rages, she alternates between being aggressively mean > and loud, and giving the silent treatment. These episodes can last for > several days. She says hateful things that she doesn't apologize for; she > becomes vindictive; she makes a very focused effort to punish the target of > her anger. She reverts to a victim/martyr mentality. > > > > It was only recently I suspected she might have BPD, and reading > `Surviving the Borderline Parent' has been extremely helpful. > > But while I process this, I find myself resenting my father's role in > all of this. My parents are still married, and growing up, my father was > around just as much as my mother was. I know that my mother's anger > responses have always been this way, so for several years before I was > born, my father was dealing with these horrific episodes. I was subjected > to this kind of cruel treatment at a very young age – I remember it > happening when I was three or four, and continuing all through my childhood. > > > > My father himself had a very fearful childhood and grew up in an abusive > home. He believes he developed PTSD from watching his father beat the other > kids. As a result, my father vowed he would be a loving, compassionate > father – and he is. He's accessible. But I never remember him interceding > when my mother was emotionally abusive to me. > > I remember feeling like an awful child, getting yelled at for tiny > infractions, and sobbing alone in my room. Sometimes I would become > physically ill when my mother yelled at me. I truly believed that this was > how all children had it. My father (perhaps not wanting to be the target of > my mother's wrath) would act as a sort of go-between, but wasn't terribly > sympathetic – he'd often seem cold, too. Sometimes he would even say " You > screwed up. " > > > > It wasn't until I was about 12 that my father explained to me a bit more > about how my mother was – how she lost control of herself when she was > angry and said things she didn't mean. How I couldn't take it too > personally. How I was a good kid. > > > > I resent him for not saying this to me much, much earlier. I resent him > for not protecting me more from my mother's damaging behavior. > > Due to financial issues, I've temporarily moved in with my parents > again. My mother's BPD (as I believe it to be) seems worse. My father and I > have been going through hell – she expects us to fulfill all her social > needs, so it's easy to let her down. > > > > I work hard and am planning to move out soon, so I've been distancing > myself from this awful situation. I avoid seeing my mother when she's > " having an episode. " But I'll often get emails from my father giving me > advice about how to " handle " my mother – emails that basically instruct me > to appease her manipulative behavior. When she attempts to punish me for > some imagined wrong, he'll tell me to give in to it. Because she feels > abandoned, he thinks I should make an effort to be home more. I've > explained to him how it still takes a toll on my physical health to be in > this constant state of tension when she's like this; he argues that I can't > " resolve " things with my mother if I'm not around. > > > > It's amazing to me that he thinks this way. He knows exactly what it's > like to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment, and he knows her > responses are never rational. > > > > I believe that at some point, he made the decision to stay with her and > because of that, acts in survival mode. That means not standing up for > himself or me, and I know he will never tell her to seek professional help. > > > > He and I have had a few emotional conversations about this situation in > the past couple weeks. I've been able to tell him honestly how my mother's > behavior has made me a fearful adult. What I haven't been able to say is > how disappointed I am that he didn't do more to help me, or at least > comfort me, when I was too young to know what was going on. > > > > Even now, it's not that I need him to protect me – I just want to know > that my sense of self-worth, and my dignity, is worth something to him. > > > > I feel like my father's reality and my own are diverging: I can see my > mother's mental illness and would like for her to get help but, short of > that, I would like me and my father to stand up for ourselves and stop > appeasing this destructive behavior. My father, however, sees this as his > lot. He doesn't think she'll ever change. > > As I prepare to leave home again, I am seriously considering the more > stringent boundaries I'll have to establish with my mother. I don't think > my father realizes how much I need to distance myself from our little > family. > > > > So I have a couple of questions: > > > > 1) How do you deal with a complicit (even enabling) parent? > > > > 2) Should I tell my father what I believe, that my mother likely suffers > from BPD? > > Thank you. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.