Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Annie, Do you know the percentage of BPD suffers in the U.S? or world-wide? I am assuming it affects females more so? If this is true does anyone know why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 When first researching bpd, i read that 4% of population has it, which seemed unbelievable. That would mean 4 out of every 100 people. Then I read that 4% are bipolar so that makes 8 out of 100 w/ serious mental illness. I guess stats don't lie but it is hard to grasp. Have read that 75% of bpd are female but also said that males aren't as likely to be diagnosed/etc. I think I got these figures from swoe? Twyla resultsmayvary6@...> wrote: >Annie, > > > >Do you know the percentage of BPD suffers in the U.S? or world-wide? > > > >I am assuming it affects females more so? If this is true does anyone know >why? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 According to both the NIMH and the organization NAMI, " BPD is estimated to affect between 1% and 2% of Americans. More females are diagnosed with bpd than males by a ratio of about 3 to 1, though some clinicians suspect that males are under diagnosed. " But as Randi Kreger has pointed out, statistics are based on those who are actually formally diagnosed with bpd and are in treatment; they are " in the system " and therefor known and counted. Additional complicating factors: NAMI reports that borderline pd is often misdiagnosed, and NIMH reports that bpd often co-occurs with other mental illnesses. So I personally feel that the statistics are probably wildly inaccurate; they can't count those who never go in for treatment or who get misdiagnosed. The high-functioning ones like my nada was (for most of her life) who rarely if ever seek treatment for themselves don't get counted in official statistics. Here is the link to a page about bpd stats, with footnotes/sources and links to further reading: http://bpd.about.com/od/understandingbpd/p/BPDStats.htm -Annie > > Annie, > > > > Do you know the percentage of BPD suffers in the U.S? or world-wide? > > > > I am assuming it affects females more so? If this is true does anyone know > why? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Nightsquirrel thenightsquirrel@...>wrote: > ** > > > Have read that 75% of bpd are female but also said that males aren't as > likely to be diagnosed/etc. > There's a large argument about the gender bias seen in BPD diagnoses. The best analysis I've seen suggests that the actual prevalence is about equally male and female, but the way that the disorder shows up -- and most importantly the societal reaction to it -- is very different due to gender roles and expectations. In a series of lectures I listened to on abnormal psychology presented by a psychologist who'd worked for years in the Pennsylvania prison system, the lecturer indicated that he met a large number of men in prison that were, as far as he could tell, completely BPD, but had not been diagnosed as such. Many of these men were in for assault or for wife battery, a few for homicide. Think about it. What in women is a terrifying emotional outburst quickly becomes a dangerous crime when it happens in a man who has been socialized to believe that it's acceptable to strike out -- HARD -- when you are enraged. A BPD woman who flips out at her boyfriend in a bar and starts screaming at and slapping him will probably get hustled into a cab and sent home by the bouncer, but a man who flips out at his girlfriend and starts punching her in the face is going to jail (we can hope!) Similarly, women who are beaten by BPD male partners are likely to report it; men who are hit by BPD partners are NOT likely to report it, as it's embarrassing as hell to admit that your woman beat you up. Plus, of course, most women have less mass, less muscle, and less familiarity with physical attacks, so when they do get violent, they do less damage. The upshot of this is, it may well be the case that BPD men go to jail, while BPD women are allowed to roam free and inflict damage, many on their helpless kids. Every time I hear of a horrific case of child abuse by a woman, I think " Wow, I wonder if she's BPD. " Take this recent horrific case: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/1013/Mother-gets-99-years-for-beating-\ gluing-daughter-Has-the-US-had-it-with-bad-parents This woman has all the signs of BPD. If she had been a man, she might have been Josh , who murdered his wife and his two boys. Instead, the little girl survived the attack. I don't think the girl would have survived if her father had beaten her this badly. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if all of those men who shoot their wives and kids and then kill themselves are BPDs who, not satisfied with just killing themselves, insist on killing everyone they claim to love as well. And then there's a rage disorder that's diagnosed almost exclusively in men called " Intermittent Explosive Disorder " -- I wouldn't be surprised if that's how BPD presents in men, too. Part of the problem may also be that classic low-functioning BPD is usually diagnosed on the basis of emotional instability (easier to spot in women as they are " allowed " to express emotions, whereas men are not), unstable relationships (men with multiple broken relationships might be consider " players " ), and self-harm (boys do this, but they don't admit it as easily, and since they usually don't wear revealing clothes it's a lot easier to hide the scars.) Anyway, I would be very interested in seeing someone do a study to determine if emotional instability is being judged and diagnosed similarly in male and female populations, as I strongly suspect that it really isn't, and we won't be able to see if there's any real gender bias until we have better measurement tools. -- Jen H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Thank you Annie. From: WTOAdultChildren1 [mailto:WTOAdultChildren1 ] On Behalf Of anuria67854 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 06:00 PM To: WTOAdultChildren1 Subject: Re: % of BPD in USA According to both the NIMH and the organization NAMI, " BPD is estimated to affect between 1% and 2% of Americans. More females are diagnosed with bpd than males by a ratio of about 3 to 1, though some clinicians suspect that males are under diagnosed. " But as Randi Kreger has pointed out, statistics are based on those who are actually formally diagnosed with bpd and are in treatment; they are " in the system " and therefor known and counted. Additional complicating factors: NAMI reports that borderline pd is often misdiagnosed, and NIMH reports that bpd often co-occurs with other mental illnesses. So I personally feel that the statistics are probably wildly inaccurate; they can't count those who never go in for treatment or who get misdiagnosed. The high-functioning ones like my nada was (for most of her life) who rarely if ever seek treatment for themselves don't get counted in official statistics. Here is the link to a page about bpd stats, with footnotes/sources and links to further reading: http://bpd.about.com/od/understandingbpd/p/BPDStats.htm -Annie > > Annie, > > > > Do you know the percentage of BPD suffers in the U.S? or world-wide? > > > > I am assuming it affects females more so? If this is true does anyone know > why? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 This is powerful information. Thanks . From: WTOAdultChildren1 [mailto:WTOAdultChildren1 ] On Behalf Of Hawthorne Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 06:10 PM To: WTOAdultChildren1 Subject: Re: % of BPD in USA On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Nightsquirrel thenightsquirrel@... >wrote: > ** > > > Have read that 75% of bpd are female but also said that males aren't as > likely to be diagnosed/etc. > There's a large argument about the gender bias seen in BPD diagnoses. The best analysis I've seen suggests that the actual prevalence is about equally male and female, but the way that the disorder shows up -- and most importantly the societal reaction to it -- is very different due to gender roles and expectations. In a series of lectures I listened to on abnormal psychology presented by a psychologist who'd worked for years in the Pennsylvania prison system, the lecturer indicated that he met a large number of men in prison that were, as far as he could tell, completely BPD, but had not been diagnosed as such. Many of these men were in for assault or for wife battery, a few for homicide. Think about it. What in women is a terrifying emotional outburst quickly becomes a dangerous crime when it happens in a man who has been socialized to believe that it's acceptable to strike out -- HARD -- when you are enraged. A BPD woman who flips out at her boyfriend in a bar and starts screaming at and slapping him will probably get hustled into a cab and sent home by the bouncer, but a man who flips out at his girlfriend and starts punching her in the face is going to jail (we can hope!) Similarly, women who are beaten by BPD male partners are likely to report it; men who are hit by BPD partners are NOT likely to report it, as it's embarrassing as hell to admit that your woman beat you up. Plus, of course, most women have less mass, less muscle, and less familiarity with physical attacks, so when they do get violent, they do less damage. The upshot of this is, it may well be the case that BPD men go to jail, while BPD women are allowed to roam free and inflict damage, many on their helpless kids. Every time I hear of a horrific case of child abuse by a woman, I think " Wow, I wonder if she's BPD. " Take this recent horrific case: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/1013/Mother-gets-99-years-for-beat ing-gluing-daughter-Has-the-US-had-it-with-bad-parents This woman has all the signs of BPD. If she had been a man, she might have been Josh , who murdered his wife and his two boys. Instead, the little girl survived the attack. I don't think the girl would have survived if her father had beaten her this badly. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if all of those men who shoot their wives and kids and then kill themselves are BPDs who, not satisfied with just killing themselves, insist on killing everyone they claim to love as well. And then there's a rage disorder that's diagnosed almost exclusively in men called " Intermittent Explosive Disorder " -- I wouldn't be surprised if that's how BPD presents in men, too. Part of the problem may also be that classic low-functioning BPD is usually diagnosed on the basis of emotional instability (easier to spot in women as they are " allowed " to express emotions, whereas men are not), unstable relationships (men with multiple broken relationships might be consider " players " ), and self-harm (boys do this, but they don't admit it as easily, and since they usually don't wear revealing clothes it's a lot easier to hide the scars.) Anyway, I would be very interested in seeing someone do a study to determine if emotional instability is being judged and diagnosed similarly in male and female populations, as I strongly suspect that it really isn't, and we won't be able to see if there's any real gender bias until we have better measurement tools. -- Jen H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Due to the gender bias mentioned earlier in one of the posts, most men are diagnosed with NPD while women are diagnosed with BPD. Proposed changes for the DSM V (Diagnosis Manual) is that NPD, HPD will be eliminated as their own diagnosis and collapsed into BPD. Personality disorders are probably under diagnoses as the person wold have to see the therapist, most people with personality disorders do not think they have a problem and their is a stigma within the mental health community in giving someone this diagnosis. Most teenage boys and girls respond differently to trauma which could account for the different diagnoses giving. It is thought that one cause of BPD is traumatic experiences in childhood so where most boys externalize their behavior, girls internalize. As they develop in to adults it is not until the girls begin externalizing that someone feels their is a problem. It will be interesting to see how the changes in the DSM effect the number of people beng diagnosed with BPD. > > > ** > > > > > > Have read that 75% of bpd are female but also said that males aren't as > > likely to be diagnosed/etc. > > > > There's a large argument about the gender bias seen in BPD diagnoses. The > best analysis I've seen suggests that the actual prevalence is about > equally male and female, but the way that the disorder shows up -- and most > importantly the societal reaction to it -- is very different due to gender > roles and expectations. > > In a series of lectures I listened to on abnormal psychology presented by a > psychologist who'd worked for years in the Pennsylvania prison system, the > lecturer indicated that he met a large number of men in prison that were, > as far as he could tell, completely BPD, but had not been diagnosed as > such. Many of these men were in for assault or for wife battery, a few for > homicide. > > Think about it. What in women is a terrifying emotional outburst quickly > becomes a dangerous crime when it happens in a man who has been socialized > to believe that it's acceptable to strike out -- HARD -- when you are > enraged. A BPD woman who flips out at her boyfriend in a bar and starts > screaming at and slapping him will probably get hustled into a cab and sent > home by the bouncer, but a man who flips out at his girlfriend and starts > punching her in the face is going to jail (we can hope!) Similarly, women > who are beaten by BPD male partners are likely to report it; men who are > hit by BPD partners are NOT likely to report it, as it's embarrassing as > hell to admit that your woman beat you up. Plus, of course, most women > have less mass, less muscle, and less familiarity with physical attacks, so > when they do get violent, they do less damage. > > The upshot of this is, it may well be the case that BPD men go to jail, > while BPD women are allowed to roam free and inflict damage, many on their > helpless kids. Every time I hear of a horrific case of child abuse by a > woman, I think " Wow, I wonder if she's BPD. " Take this recent horrific > case: > > http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/1013/Mother-gets-99-years-for-beat > ing-gluing-daughter-Has-the-US-had-it-with-bad-parents > > This woman has all the signs of BPD. If she had been a man, she might have > been Josh , who murdered his wife and his two boys. Instead, the > little girl survived the attack. I don't think the girl would have > survived if her father had beaten her this badly. It wouldn't surprise me > in the slightest if all of those men who shoot their wives and kids and > then kill themselves are BPDs who, not satisfied with just killing > themselves, insist on killing everyone they claim to love as well. > > And then there's a rage disorder that's diagnosed almost exclusively in men > called " Intermittent Explosive Disorder " -- I wouldn't be surprised if > that's how BPD presents in men, too. > > Part of the problem may also be that classic low-functioning BPD is usually > diagnosed on the basis of emotional instability (easier to spot in women as > they are " allowed " to express emotions, whereas men are not), unstable > relationships (men with multiple broken relationships might be consider > " players " ), and self-harm (boys do this, but they don't admit it as easily, > and since they usually don't wear revealing clothes it's a lot easier to > hide the scars.) > > Anyway, I would be very interested in seeing someone do a study to > determine if emotional instability is being judged and diagnosed similarly > in male and female populations, as I strongly suspect that it really isn't, > and we won't be able to see if there's any real gender bias until we have > better measurement tools. > > -- Jen H. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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