TEMPORARY HELP SUGGESTIONS for a Flare up..

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Wow! That's a lot! I'll keep those in mind.

One question, though: generally speaking, isn't it a bad idea to put

anything containing sugar (in this case, the honey) down there because

it can lead to a yeast infection?

This is something I've put

together over time with suggestions from others and things I've tried

myself, so maybe something here will strike you that will help. I

hope so.

> Hugs hon

> Dee~

>

>

>

> TEMPORARY RELIEF by Dee

>

> Not a real 'cure' perse' but certainly can help with those flare

ups for quick relief (hopefully).

>

> Antihistamine's:

>

> Over the counter antihistamines can help combat inflammation like

Actifed, or Sudafed, (orals) or Benedyrl oral OR the gel especially

can be a great help when applied topically or even Nasalcrom nose

spray but sprayed on the genital area. A prescription like Atarax

(oral) is an antihistamine and great for hives and itchies as well as

inflammation but can make you sleepy, but may really help in a severe

flare up and besides we heal when we sleep.

>

>

> I even used an Atarax (prescription antihistamine) when left with

severe inflammation with a bad yeast infection and it helped

tremendously to calm things down. The yeast infection itself was gone

but I still was left with that inflammation. (not that the yeast

wasn't cleared up, it definitely was). I find too often we 'think' we

still have a yeast infection but it's the inflammation that won't stop

(an overactive immune system) and we assume that yeast is the problem

when it isn't far too often and we mistakenly treat over and over

again for yeast.

>

> I recently found this out..... the most effective are those older

type antihistamines that DO make you sleepy for some reason, so keep

that in mind.

>

>

> Another one that can be quite beneficial is Doxepin cream, brand

names of ZONALON OR PRUDOXIN. (both prescriptions). I have a study

that states this.....

>

> " Doxepin cream has been found to control the pruritus (itchiness)

inflammation and pain of atopic dermatitis, eczema, and urticaria -

(all histamine, *cytokine; etc. induced) - with results ''superior''

to the use of any steroid cream or oral antihistamines. " (In fact 10

X's better)

>

> " Topical Doxepin provided as a five-percent cream has been shown

to be extremely effective in controlling the itch, burning pain and

inflammation caused by a number of types of dermatitis "

>

> Some studies (Drs. Ledger, Witkins, Willems, Nyjersey, etc)

suggest that over 52% of us 'may' have an autoimmune genetic trigger

(gene) that can set off vulvar pain by over producing too much

histamine and other inflammatory cytokines,(basophiles TNF etc.)

without us ever knowing the 'trigger' or cause, it's idiopathic, no

known cause, sometimes yes, sometimes no, that's why the

antihistamines can really help to reduce that inflammation, pain and

itch.

>

> Remember that Protopic or Elidel (topical prescription

immunomodulators for worse case scenarios) also halt that output of

histamine, mast cells, basophils, etc. (cytokines) hopefully 'before'

they can come out (degranulation) they suppress the immune system, and

antihistamines and steroids can help afterwards to revert those back.

(hopefully)

>

> Vinegar:.......

>

> On a damp cloth held in the area, to restore pH levels, or a

vinegar soak. Helps with the sting and itch, especially helps with

inflammation from a yeast infection. (Remember how we put vinegar on

a bad sunburn as a kid?) That's why, and it doesn't usually

sting... didn't me anyway (tho I was a bit scared to try it) but it

may someone else. So test it out first.

>

> CORN STARCH........

>

> In a sitz soak of warm water or on a dampened cloth, I always

found soothing. Remember moms using it on babies for bad diaper rash?

I don't have a specific sitz bath or pan, but using a large basin I

used to sit on the floor with towels and then set it in front of the

TV while I sit in it, legs akimbo outside, I lived alone back then so

it was easy. LOL There are some made that sit on the commode and

relatively inexpensive.. I used about a cup in a small basin. I've

seen some soak a menstrual pad in it to hold against themselves for

relief.

>

> HONEY:

> *Update*.....You'll never think of it as 'just honey' again as it

does have healing powers.

> Honey has been known to help with yeast/thrush infections and is

an excellent wound healer. To read of it's many benefits

> try this link.

>

http://www.healthliesexposed.com/articles/article_2006_07_14_2651.shtml

>

> Honey has been known to help with yeast/thrush infections and is

an excellent wound healer. ''Raw honey is exceptionally effective

internally against bacteria and parasites. Plus, raw honey contains

natural antibiotics, which help kill microbes directly. Raw honey,

when applied topically, speeds the healing of tissues damaged by

infection and/or trauma. It contains vitamins, minerals and enzymes,

as well as sugars, all of which aid in the healing of wounds. "

>

> BAKING SODA.....sitz, or bath-soak some have luck with that, but

it burned and irritated me severely. It has a higher pH level which

may irritate as do sperm and blood which also have higher pH levels in

case you didn't know that. Again, we're all different but some find it

soothing.

>

> BALNEOL LOTION: This was recently mentioned as excellent for itch

and is available OTC. I've not used it but it had high reviews.

>

> THE 'CAINES' .......like Lidocaine, EMLA, ELA-MAX, benzocaine,

prilocaine etc. used topically. From several technical studies that

I've seen, those 'caine's' also help reduce histamine, cytokines,

basophils etc. from the Mast cells (as mentioned above and why we use

antihistamines) which causes that inflammation or itch, as well as

it's a numbing agent for help with that pain. A recent report of

using Lidocaine on a cotton ball at night, set into the vestibule for

up to 7 weeks nightly has shown some improvement with women with

Vulvodynia (painful vulva).

>

> A clip from one report.....

>

> CONCLUSIONS: " Our results indicate that lidocaine directly

inhibits histamine release from both rodent mast cells and human

basophils in vitro, an allergic reaction caused by direct effect of

lidocaine seems to be impossible. "

>

>

> Not saying it's a cure perse' but for possible relief ''but'' I

have definitely seen some few women say they were allergic to it so

be careful of not overusing it. Listen to your body and initially I

would only try one tiny small spot to see how YOU react, in fact

that's so with any of these meds.

>

> EPSOM SALTS .......soaks or sitz bath for soothing and healing

also great for drawing infections out. To use in the tub I'd suggest a

couple of cups full, (maybe half a cup in a small basin or sitz) great

for aching muscles too as it adds Magnesium < click> to our bodies.

>

>

> Also I try to take extra oral Magnesium < click it's a different

site> as well, up to 800-1,000 mgs a day. Magnesium also reduces

histamine. It's wonderful for how good it is for us in many ways and

Magnesium helps reduce inflammation and pain as does estrogen help

quell those painful nerve endings called nociceptors or pain pathway .

Don't use Epsom salt soaks too often or it may dry the tissue but I

would incorporate Magnesium orally. Ocean salt water and Sea Salt

works well too in a sitz bath.

>

> CHAMOMILE.... tea bags soaked and then pressed on the vulva may

help for pain relief as it's supposed to soothe but I've not tried

that personally but some members claimed relief.

>

> ALMOND & PEPPERMINT OIL .....We've had several members approve of

this and they claim it works quite well for a pleasant cooling relief.

> 1oz. of almond oil with 2 to 3 drops (ONLY) of peppermint oil.

> Be sure to mix it up and keep in a dark container to keep its

strength.Don't use more than those 'few' drops, it did severely

irritate one member but others really like it. It may feel a little

warm initially I hear. Beware of Tea tree oil, that has been reported

to extremely irritate unless immensely diluted but apparently good for

a yeast infection.

>

> EMU OIL... 'More' than a few members really like/love this product

(OTC) often ordered 'on line' claiming it helped quite a bit for the

itch or inflammtion and was very soothing. It supposedly has no taste

or odor (some do, some don't) and can be used even as a lubricant.

Suggested use is 4X's a day. One of the more often mentioned brands &

well researched by one of our members is by Laid in Montana .

>

> It may also be very helpful for burns, cuts, arthritis,

Fibromyalgia, joint paint, thickens the skin and so much more from the

sites I've seen. (With some legitimate studies) and even used for burn

or radiation patients.

>

> I ordered some (not that I need it now with being well) as I

wanted to know about it, and it's an extremely light type of oil and

very gentle, only a few drops are needed and it may be an excellent

compounding 'base' to use with some compounded meds as a carrier for

deeper penetration of the main medication. But do be careful of using

it 'with' a steroid (if you do) as it may penetrate too deeply as it

is a 'carrier' or penetrator, some 'few' members have been bothered

with that combination others have no problem. It is somewhat

expensive but those who use it say it's well worth it.

>

> AQUAFORE ....Another topical for soothing, some swear by this as

an aid for relief. I tried this myself just recently for chapped hands

& lips and it's very similar to Vaseline but I liked it better,

BUT..... Nothing is more pure than plain ol' Vaseline as far as not

having other ingredients that may irritate.

>

> EGG WHITES ? Yes, someone suggested this as it was suggested by

her physician to give it a try and she said it truly helped with her

flare up, I doubt it would hurt you and might be soothing.

>

>

> BABY DIAPER RASH CREAMS.... like A & D or Desitin, or Balmex,

used for soothing. It's suggested that the more Zinc in them the

better as zinc is good for tissue healing. I believe Desitin has the

highest amt. of zinc at 40%.

>

> BURTS BEES DIAPER OINTMENT ...A member suggests Burts Bee's Diaper

Ointment and says this... ''it's wonderful stuff, it's all natural,

has healing herbs, is a powerful barrier, smooth as silk and smells

GREAT to boot''.

>

> CRISCO or a vegetable type of oil, especially Olive oil and

another is Cocoanut oil:

> Those have been suggested by some physicians as well as in some

articles, and definitely by patients to be very soothing or to even

use as a lubrication and this too can be used as compounding 'base'

Careful though if using a condom they may weaken it.

>

> VASELINE... Is always a good standby for severe irritation,

especially in those cheeky butt cracks or anal area or to protect the

vulva from urine or blood irritation. Sometimes we just need to take

a break from all of those chemicals and protect the inflammed tissue

without using anything that might be 'harsher'. Most Physicians agree

with using it, a few others don't, so it's a matter of opinion, but

I've used it quite successfully and never had a problem. Another one

not be used with a condom.

>

> VANICREAM... This is available OTC, (Wal-Mart's) and fairly

inexpensive even by the tub. I've seen some patients rave about this

as a soothing type cream. Not a real 'fix', but when we need daily

relief they claim it truly helps and is suggested by some

dermatologists as well. I've not tried it myself and a few said it

irritated but others seem to love it.

>

> VICKS ...diluted with Vaseline has helped some as well. 3-4 to 1

ratio. (less Vicks) I know of one woman who swears by Noxzema as well

for relief of itching. It was a little too 'stingy' for me though and

it may act similar to the 'Almond & Peppermint oil mixture' with that

menthol cooling effect. One member used ONLY the Vicks and it helps

her tremendously. As for me I personally don't like that menthol

effect it feels too burny for 'me'.

>

> MILK... soaks or compresses I've also seen recommended as

soothing. So did Cleopatra. *smile* and milk truly can take the sting

out of things. Recently I suggested it to a member who was in a

severe flare up and she was amazed it gave her almost instant relief

when nothing else did. *smile*..Try it on a menstrual pad and hold

against yourself for one idea, or perhaps sit in a small sitz bath

with some.

>

>

> BUTT PASTE http://www.buttpaste.com/ Yes that's it's name, and

some members claim this is great for soothing relief as well.

>

> UDDER CREAM... is another & used for cows' teats but works for us

as well.

>

>

>

> AVEENO SOAKS, ...or creams, lotions, or a compress made with it

purchase that OTC, or you can make up your own by grinding up Oatmeal

or Mothers oats, (same ingredient) some find this very soothing but

might clog up your tub if you don't put it in a nylon sock. *smile*

>

>

> ICE PACKS ...Try a bag of Frozen Peas, it's malleable. This can

give some relief. Wrap carefully in a cloth to not freeze or damage

the tissue, the peas move easily to form.

>

> A recipe a member gave is: 2 cups water 1/3 cup (80%) alcohol -

rubbing alcohol, vodka, etc. combine ingredients & pour into a vacuum

Seal Bag or Ziploc baggie, just seal & freeze & then double bag. The

alcohol keeps it from freezing solid and creates a gel-like ice pack.

>

> Popcorn Kernels are another suggestion since those mold to the

shape. Just put in a cloth bag and pop into the freezer (definitely

not the microwave *chuckle*).

>

> DERMOPLAST:... A pain relieving spray with benzocaine (a numbing

agent) and menthol in it. When in a severe flare up this may help.

It's also been suggested to use after having a biopsy done for pain

relief. I read of a woman who's doctor told her to spray Dermoplast

on her pad after the delivery of her baby or apply it with a cotton

ball and said it really helped with her burning & itching. One woman

said the red can (an antibacterial spray) was devastating to her, so

be careful not to get that one. Always try the smallest amt. of

anything first to see how 'you' react.

>

> I hope some of those are able to help and so sorry you're in this

position but hang in there and try to take it a day at a time.. it

will pass.

> Hugs

> Dee~

>

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Dee

What would you recommend using for a yeast infection and a bv infection? I don't have one, but I took clindamyacin in the past and I think that started this whole thing for me

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DeeTroll wrote: This is something I've put together over time with suggestions from others and things I've tried myself, so maybe something here will strike

you that will help. I hope so. Hugs hon Dee~ TEMPORARY RELIEF by Dee Not a real 'cure' perse' but certainly can help with those flare ups for quick relief (hopefully). Antihistamine's: Over the counter antihistamines can help combat inflammation like Actifed, or Sudafed, (orals) or Benedyrl oral OR the gel especially can be a great help when applied topically or even Nasalcrom nose spray but sprayed on the genital area. A prescription like Atarax (oral) is an antihistamine and great for hives and itchies as well as inflammation but can make you sleepy, but may really help in a severe flare up and besides we heal when we sleep. I even used an Atarax (prescription antihistamine) when left with severe inflammation with a bad yeast infection and it helped tremendously to calm things down. The yeast infection itself was gone but I still was left with that inflammation. (not that the yeast wasn't cleared up, it definitely was). I find too often we 'think' we still have a yeast infection but it's the inflammation that won't stop (an overactive immune system) and we assume that yeast is the problem when it isn't far too often and we mistakenly treat over and over again for yeast. I recently found this out..... the most effective are those older type antihistamines that DO make you sleepy for some reason, so keep that in mind. Another one that can be quite beneficial is Doxepin cream, brand names of ZONALON OR PRUDOXIN. (both prescriptions). I have a study that states this..... "Doxepin cream has been found to control the pruritus (itchiness) inflammation and pain of atopic dermatitis, eczema, and urticaria - (all histamine, *cytokine; etc. induced) - with results ''superior'' to the use of any steroid cream or oral antihistamines." (In fact 10 X's better) "Topical Doxepin provided as a five-percent cream has been shown to

be extremely effective in controlling the itch, burning pain and inflammation caused by a number of types of dermatitis" Some studies (Drs. Ledger, Witkins, Willems, Nyjersey, etc) suggest that over 52% of us 'may' have an autoimmune genetic trigger (gene) that can set off vulvar pain by over producing too much histamine and other inflammatory cytokines,(basophiles TNF etc.) without us ever knowing the 'trigger' or cause, it's idiopathic, no known cause, sometimes yes, sometimes no, that's why the antihistamines can really

help to reduce that inflammation, pain and itch. Remember that Protopic or Elidel (topical prescription immunomodulators for worse case scenarios) also halt that output of histamine, mast cells, basophils, etc. (cytokines) hopefully 'before' they can come out (degranulation) they suppress the immune system, and antihistamines and steroids can help afterwards to revert those back. (hopefully) Vinegar:....... On a damp cloth held in the area, to restore pH levels, or a vinegar soak. Helps with the

sting and itch, especially helps with inflammation from a yeast infection. (Remember how we put vinegar on a bad sunburn as a kid?) That’s why, and it doesn't usually sting... didn't me anyway (tho I was a bit scared to try it) but it may someone else. So test it out first. CORN STARCH........ In a sitz soak of warm water or on a dampened cloth, I always found soothing. Remember moms using it on babies for bad diaper rash? I don't have a specific sitz bath or pan, but using a large basin I used to sit on the floor with towels and then set it in front of the TV while I sit in it, legs akimbo outside, I lived alone back then so it was easy. LOL There are some made that sit on the commode and relatively inexpensive.. I used about a cup in a small basin. I've seen some soak a menstrual pad in it to hold against themselves for relief. HONEY: *Update*.....You'll never think of it as 'just honey' again as it does have healing powers. Honey has been known to help with yeast/thrush infections and is an excellent wound healer. To read of it's many benefits try this link. http://www.healthliesexposed.com/articles/article_2006_07_14_2651.shtml Honey has been known to help with yeast/thrush infections and is an excellent wound healer. ''Raw honey is exceptionally effective internally against bacteria and parasites.

Plus, raw honey contains natural antibiotics, which help kill microbes directly. Raw honey, when applied topically, speeds the healing of tissues damaged by infection and/or trauma. It contains vitamins, minerals and enzymes, as well as sugars, all of which aid in the healing of wounds." BAKING SODA.....sitz, or bath-soak some have luck with that, but it burned and irritated me severely. It has a higher pH level which may irritate as do sperm and blood which also have higher pH levels in case you didn't know that. Again, we're all different but some find it soothing. BALNEOL LOTION: This was recently mentioned as excellent for itch and is available OTC. I've not used it but it had high reviews. THE 'CAINES' .......like Lidocaine, EMLA, ELA-MAX, benzocaine, prilocaine etc. used topically. From several technical studies that I've seen, those 'caine's' also help reduce histamine, cytokines, basophils etc. from the Mast cells (as mentioned above and why we use antihistamines) which causes that inflammation or itch, as well as it's a numbing agent for help with that pain. A recent report of using Lidocaine on a cotton ball at night, set into the vestibule for up to 7 weeks nightly has shown some improvement with women with Vulvodynia (painful vulva). A clip from one report..... CONCLUSIONS: "Our results indicate that lidocaine directly inhibits histamine release from both rodent mast cells and human basophils in vitro, an allergic reaction caused by direct effect of lidocaine seems to be impossible."

Not saying it's a cure perse' but for possible relief ''but'' I have definitely seen some few women say they were allergic to it so be careful of not overusing it. Listen to your body and initially I would only try one tiny small spot to see how YOU react, in fact that's so with any of these meds. EPSOM SALTS .......soaks or sitz bath for soothing and healing also great for drawing infections out. To use in the tub I'd suggest a couple of cups full, (maybe half a cup in a small basin or sitz) great for aching muscles too as it adds Magnesium < click> to our bodies. Also I try to take extra oral Magnesium < click it's a different site> as well, up to 800-1,000 mgs a day. Magnesium also reduces histamine. It's wonderful for how good it is for us in many ways and Magnesium helps reduce inflammation and pain as does estrogen help quell those painful nerve endings called nociceptors or pain pathway . Don't use Epsom salt soaks too often or it may dry the tissue but I would incorporate Magnesium orally. Ocean salt water and Sea Salt works well too in a sitz bath. CHAMOMILE.... tea bags soaked and then pressed on the vulva may help for pain relief as it's supposed to soothe but I've not tried that personally but some members claimed relief. ALMOND & PEPPERMINT OIL .....We've had several members approve of this and they claim it works quite well for a pleasant cooling relief. 1oz. of almond oil with 2 to 3 drops (ONLY) of peppermint oil. Be sure to mix it up and keep in a dark container to keep its strength.Don't use more than those 'few' drops, it did severely irritate one member but others really like it. It may feel a little warm initially I hear. Beware of Tea tree oil, that has been reported to extremely irritate unless immensely diluted but apparently good for a yeast infection. EMU OIL... 'More' than a few members really like/love this product (OTC) often ordered 'on line' claiming it helped quite a bit for the itch or inflammtion and was very soothing. It supposedly has no taste or odor (some do, some don't) and can be used even as a lubricant. Suggested use is 4X's a day. One of the more often mentioned brands & well researched by one of our members is by Laid in Montana . It may also be very helpful for burns, cuts, arthritis, Fibromyalgia, joint paint, thickens the skin and so much more from the sites I've seen. (With some legitimate studies) and even used for burn or radiation patients. I ordered some (not that I need it now with being

well) as I wanted to know about it, and it's an extremely light type of oil and very gentle, only a few drops are needed and it may be an excellent compounding 'base' to use with some compounded meds as a carrier for deeper penetration of the main medication. But do be careful of using it 'with' a steroid (if you do) as it may penetrate too deeply as it is a 'carrier' or penetrator, some 'few' members have been bothered with that combination others have no problem. It is somewhat expensive but those who use it say it's well worth it. AQUAFORE ....Another topical for soothing, some swear by this as an aid for relief. I tried this myself just recently for chapped hands & lips and it's very similar to Vaseline but I liked it better, BUT..... Nothing is more pure than plain ol' Vaseline as far as not having other ingredients that may irritate. EGG WHITES ? Yes, someone suggested this as it was suggested by her physician to give it a try and she said it truly helped with her flare up, I doubt it would hurt you and might be soothing. BABY DIAPER RASH CREAMS.... like A & D or Desitin, or Balmex, used for soothing. It's suggested that the more Zinc in them the better as zinc is good for tissue healing. I believe Desitin has the highest amt. of zinc at 40%. BURTS BEES

DIAPER OINTMENT ...A member suggests Burts Bee's Diaper Ointment and says this... ''it's wonderful stuff, it's all natural, has healing herbs, is a powerful barrier, smooth as silk and smells GREAT to boot''. CRISCO or a vegetable type of oil, especially

Olive oil and another is Cocoanut oil: Those have been suggested by some physicians as well as in some articles, and definitely by patients to be very soothing or to even use as a lubrication and this too can be used as compounding 'base' Careful though if using a condom they may weaken it. VASELINE... Is always a good standby for severe irritation, especially in those cheeky butt cracks or anal area or to protect the vulva from urine or blood irritation. Sometimes we just need to take a break from all of those chemicals and protect the inflammed tissue without using anything that might be 'harsher'. Most Physicians agree

with using it, a few others don't, so it's a matter of opinion, but I've used it quite successfully and never had a problem. Another one not be used with a condom. VANICREAM... This is available OTC, (Wal-Mart’s) and fairly inexpensive even by the tub. I've seen some patients rave about this as a soothing type cream. Not

a real 'fix', but when we need daily relief they claim it truly helps and is suggested by some dermatologists as well. I've not tried it myself and a few said it irritated but others seem to love it. VICKS ...diluted with Vaseline has helped some as well. 3-4 to 1 ratio. (less Vicks) I know of one woman who swears by Noxzema as well for relief of itching. It was a little too 'stingy' for me though and it may act similar to the 'Almond & Peppermint oil mixture' with that menthol cooling effect. One member used ONLY the Vicks and it helps her tremendously. As for me I personally don't like that menthol effect it feels too burny for 'me'. MILK... soaks or compresses I've also seen recommended as soothing. So did Cleopatra. *smile* and milk truly can take the sting out of things. Recently I suggested it to a member who was in a severe flare up and she was amazed it gave her almost instant relief when nothing else did. *smile*..Try it on a menstrual pad and hold against yourself for one idea, or perhaps sit in a small sitz bath

with some. BUTT PASTE http://www.buttpaste.com/ Yes that's it's name, and some members claim this is great for soothing relief as well. UDDER CREAM... is another & used for cows’ teats but works for us as well.

AVEENO SOAKS, ...or creams, lotions, or a compress made with it purchase that OTC, or you can make up your own by grinding up Oatmeal or Mothers oats, (same ingredient) some find this very soothing but might clog up your tub if you don't put it in a nylon sock. *smile* ICE PACKS ...Try a bag of Frozen Peas, it's malleable. This can give some relief. Wrap carefully in a cloth to not freeze or damage the tissue, the peas move easily to form. A recipe a member

gave is: 2 cups water 1/3 cup (80%) alcohol - rubbing alcohol, vodka, etc. combine ingredients & pour into a vacuum Seal Bag or Ziploc baggie, just seal & freeze & then double bag. The alcohol keeps it from freezing solid and creates a gel-like ice pack. Popcorn Kernels are another suggestion since those mold to the shape. Just put in a cloth bag and pop into the freezer (definitely not the microwave *chuckle*).

DERMOPLAST:... A pain relieving spray with benzocaine (a numbing agent) and menthol in it. When in a severe flare up this may help. It's also been suggested to use after having a biopsy done for pain relief. I read of a woman who's doctor told her to spray Dermoplast on her pad after the delivery of her baby or apply it with a cotton ball and said it really helped with her burning & itching. One woman said the red can (an antibacterial spray) was devastating to her, so be careful not to get that one. Always try the smallest amt. of anything first to see how 'you' react. *Since some have found this helpful, I decide to add it... Chelle CALENDULA ointment - you can buy this at a health food store. I hope some of those are able to help and so sorry you're in this position but hang in there and try to take it a day at a time.. it will pass. Hugs Dee~