Re: Clitoris includes the vagina?? What????

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that is because Clitoris is another word like Vagina that a lot of people are afraid of and afraid to say.Pretty sad. Like you said, you think the gyns would be experts in this!

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Now that I have read that article that was posted

today about masturbation and female anatomy and

realize that the clitoris really includes the vagina I

am feeling very lucky that my clitoral nerve pain

didn't continue to spread to the inside and include

the vagina. So, I am wondering as I am sure many are,

if so much of the pain that is suffered by the people

on this list is actually clitoral pain--and maybe not

what they say--something about pelvic floor problems>

or pudendal nerve problems (I don't know where the

pudendal nerve is in relation to the vagina

--clitoris). Does make me wonder.

I also wonder why it has taken me seven or eight years

or more (time goes fast when having fun), my time on

this and other lists, to read about this. Do our

doctors not know that the vagina is just the extension

of the clitoris? If they don't even understand the

anatomy of our frilly parts no wonder they make up

stuff with fancy names. No wonder they have nothing

much to offer except pain killers or one sort or

another. Not happy here.

I think this is really a revelation--the exact

definition and description of the clitoris is I think

one of the most important things I have heard from

this list and others about these pain problems. It

seems like the beginning finally. Maybe we at least

have found the elusive and mysterious clitoris.

Criminy, I certainly hope so.

Is this for real? What is going on?

Jabberwocked!

Arline

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I have found this topic really interesting. Before I had my hysterectomy the

GYN's NP and I were discussing my problems with painful intercourse and some

sexual issues my husband & I were experiencing. She told me that if

intercourse didn't result in a climax that it increased tension and could

lead to pain problems. She stated pretty emphatically that it was a

necessity to achieve orgasm after intercourse even if it meant self

masturbation to do so.

This sure reinforces what she taught! It’s just too bad that more GYN

professionals don’t help to teach us these things!

Marcia

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" that is because Clitoris is another word like Vagina that a lot of people

are afraid of and afraid to say.

Pretty sad. Like you said, you think the gyns would be experts in this!

Blueeberri "

I have been following this group for just a few weeks and I was really

compelled to come out of hiding and respond to this.

Last fall I was frightened by a lump I found in the outer labia. My GYN was

on maternity leave and I saw her sub. He took a look and assured me that the

lump was nothing, probably a small cyst or something and that I shouldn't

worry.

Then, of all things, he made the comment that he couldn't believe that women

actually paid money to have him look at their bottoms! I was so put off by

this comment that I will never go back to this pompous ass! I really get

angry when I go to a gyn and instead of calling parts what they are they

refer to what they are looking at as my bottom! It certainly is not my

bottom!

If even GYNs are embarrassed to call parts by their proper names then who is

supposed to teach us to feel comfortable with our parts!

Marcia

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That NP was exercising her right to free speech. People can say anything they

want to in our great country but that doesn't make it correct. She didn't know

what to advise you so she made up something which she thought you might believe.

Ora

> She told me that if

>intercourse didn't result in a climax that it increased tension and could

>lead to pain problems. She stated pretty emphatically that it was a

>necessity to achieve orgasm after intercourse even if it meant self

>masturbation to do so.

>Marcia

>

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I hope you told your gyn what that guy said. He probably graduated at the

bottom of his class.

Ora

>Last fall I was frightened by a lump I found in the outer labia. My GYN was

>on maternity leave and I saw her sub. He took a look and assured me that the

>lump was nothing, probably a small cyst or something and that I shouldn't

>worry.

>

>Then, of all things, he made the comment that he couldn't believe that women

>actually paid money to have him look at their bottoms! I was so put off by

>this comment that I will never go back to this pompous ass! I really get

>angry when I go to a gyn and instead of calling parts what they are they

>refer to what they are looking at as my bottom! It certainly is not my

>bottom!

>

>If even GYNs are embarrassed to call parts by their proper names then who is

>supposed to teach us to feel comfortable with our parts!

>

>

>Marcia

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Marcia,

I think the guy was so bamboozled by your beauty he

had a temporary (I hope) brain infarction.

Glad you were annoyed. Idiots abound!! Boys shouldn't

ever be put in charge of messing around with something

they know nothing about.

Arline

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>

> " that is because Clitoris is another word like

> Vagina that a lot of people

> are afraid of and afraid to say.

> Pretty sad. Like you said, you think the gyns would

> be experts in this!

>

> Blueeberri "

>

>

> I have been following this group for just a few

> weeks and I was really

> compelled to come out of hiding and respond to this.

>

>

> Last fall I was frightened by a lump I found in the

> outer labia. My GYN was

> on maternity leave and I saw her sub. He took a look

> and assured me that the

> lump was nothing, probably a small cyst or something

> and that I shouldn't

> worry.

>

> Then, of all things, he made the comment that he

> couldn't believe that women

> actually paid money to have him look at their

> bottoms! I was so put off by

> this comment that I will never go back to this

> pompous ass! I really get

> angry when I go to a gyn and instead of calling

> parts what they are they

> refer to what they are looking at as my bottom! It

> certainly is not my

> bottom!

>

> If even GYNs are embarrassed to call parts by their

> proper names then who is

> supposed to teach us to feel comfortable with our

> parts!

>

>

> Marcia

>

>

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On this matter of semantics:Recently i read the book, The Dance of Deception: Pretending and Truth-Tellingin Women's Lives, by the psychologist Harriet Goldhor Lerner. In it she made a very interesting point about the insidious nature of not naming female anatomy properly. In a chapter titled, " A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Orifice, " she gives the example of how, when a little little girl points to a boy's penis and asks her mother or father what it is, she's usually told (if the parent doesn't use ephemisms), " That's his penis. " But when the little girl asks what SHE has, the parent almost inevitably would reply, " You have a vagina, " when, in fact, what really should be said is, " You have a vulva, which includes your clitoris and labia. " Lerner goes on to note how the parents she's interviewed informally about this who DO know what the accurate terms are come up with all sorts of " imaginative " reasons why they don't use them, ranging from " Telling my daughter about herclitoris is like telling her to go masturbate " to " Vulva is a medical term, and I don'twant to burden her with words that her friends don't know " to " She'll spread thenews to her classmates and how will we deal with that? " Lerner writes: " What does it mean for a little girl to discover her clitoris as the prime sourceof sexual stimulation and gratification, but have no label for or validation of thisreality? ( " Only boys have something on the 'outside' " ). . . . " " It is not simply that prvileged men, the creators and codifiers of language, havenamed women in accordance with their own unconscious wishes, fears, andfantasies. It is also that we are not yet able to muster the clarity and courageto say 'vulva' when that is what we mean and to say 'vagina' when that is whatwe mean. This is not just a matter of linguistic precision, but rather of the deepestlevels of truth-telling. If we cannot tell our daughters what they have, we areinviting each new generation of women to pretend -- too blur language, sensation,and thought. " This matter of linguistics when it comes to sexuality is a subject that's alwaysinterested me and i like to think i have a pretty sophisticated knowledge of anatomical terms. But when i stopped and really thought about it, i realized i'vebeen guilty of this untrue equation of penis with vagina, too.All very thought-provoking.Hollis " that is because Clitoris is another word like Vagina that a lot of people are afraid of and afraid to say. Pretty sad. Like you said, you think the gyns would be experts in this! Blueeberri " I have been following this group for just a few weeks and I was really compelled to come out of hiding and respond to this. Last fall I was frightened by a lump I found in the outer labia. My GYN was on maternity leave and I saw her sub. He took a look and assured me that the lump was nothing, probably a small cyst or something and that I shouldn't worry. Then, of all things, he made the comment that he couldn't believe that women actually paid money to have him look at their bottoms! I was so put off by this comment that I will never go back to this pompous ass! I really get angry when I go to a gyn and instead of calling parts what they are they refer to what they are looking at as my bottom! It certainly is not my bottom! If even GYNs are embarrassed to call parts by their proper names then who is supposed to teach us to feel comfortable with our parts! Marcia

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Because doctors are, for the most part, idiots. :-) Seriously, makes me glad I didn't get that vestibulectomy that my male ob-gyn insisted was just removing "extra skin." Especially because for the past three weeks I have had ZERO PAIN...Ive worn pants, had sex, and sat all day at work, too. Lindsey

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Marcia...I look at it this way...if it wasn't for women paying ob-gyns to look "at their bottoms" most of those nerds wouldn't see/get any at all. I remember seeing one ob-gyn resident who was so embarrassed I just told him to forget about the pelvic exam. He was the type of guy that would've tried buying me a drink at a bar but then totally blow it when it came down to talking to me. Just because he was wearing a lab coat didn't mean I was going to trust my body to him. L

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You funny, Lindsey! ;O)

Glad your pain is gone. Hope you can figure out how to

never let it back in.

I can't tell you how grateful I am to have been a

geriatric case before I knew where my clitoris was!

Life is funny that way. I wonder what else I have

missed.

Arline

> Because doctors are, for the most part, idiots. :-)

> Seriously, makes me glad I didn't get that

> vestibulectomy that my male ob-gyn insisted was just

> removing " extra skin. " Especially because for the

> past three weeks I have had ZERO PAIN...Ive worn

> pants, had sex, and sat all day at work, too.

> Lindsey

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