Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I haven't posted in a long time. But I need to now. My BPD Mom has thrown a letter over into our house (rang door bell and ran away but I sensed it was her) signed " do-gooder " . The gist of it was a rant about how my mother-in-law, who I'm close to, is a witch, that she casts spells on people, about how my mother in law has been talking badly about me behind my back for the past year, and that she said she wished she had never married her son to me...basically, a rant against my mother in law, signed " do-gooder " . But I knew it was her. I knew it. I know her handwriting. I haven't been speaking to her lately. My brother hasn't either. My two sisters are out of town. My Dad has been under her spell for a long time, he is too afraid to come and see me unless Mom is out of the country. I showed him the letter, and he said, you're sure it's her? I said Dad, this is definite, I'm thinking of taking it to the police, or to the psychiatrist, because this is " harrassment " and " tarnishing others' reputations with no evidence. " So my Dad's concern is, please don't go to the police, and if you go to the psychiatrist tell him not to make his diagnosis part of Mom's permanent record! The nerve my Dad had saying that. He's dying of fear that others' know how nuts she is. My Dad is well-known in my country, was in the government for a long time, so he basically wants to avoid looking bad. I tried calling the psychiatrist but can't get an appointment till Jan 2nd. Do you out there have any advice to me about what to do next? How does one respond to such a psychotic letter? Is this letter representative of psychosis or neurosis? I've been thinking about this for a week since I got it, and I'm really sick of her overstepping my boundaries. Thanks all and Merry Christmas! N > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I think that you will find that, unless she makes threats against your mother-in-law or you in the letter that the police won't take this letter seriously. A psychiatrist with experience dealing with BPD might find it to be a serious boundary violation. I hope that your mother has a psychiatrist you can talk to. If they don't have experience with BPD then they will just chalk it up to a desperate act to get you, her daughter, to come running to her mother for comfort after these dastardly revalations about your mother-in-law. If you think that your BPD mother really believes this nonsence she has written, then there might be a problem. I know that BPD people can convince themselves of some pretty outlandish things. C > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 What I'd do is put that letter away, along with a written record of what happened. Apart from that I'd ignore it. Responding to it would be playing right into her desire for attention and drama. Either she knows the stuff she wrote is untrue and is trying to get a rise out of you or she's seriously delusional and thinks it is true. When people with BPD are delusional, it is generally because they want to believe their delusions so you're not going to talk her out of them. Letting this letter bother you is letting her win to some degree. Remember, boundaries are for you, not her. If you don't want to read letters that she throws into your home, then don't read them. Put them in a box unread if you want to accumulate evidence of her behavior. Otherwise you can throw them away or burn them without ever looking at them. You can't control what she does but you can control how you react to it. I wonder what you expect the police or a psychiatrist to do with that letter? You may be hoping for something unrealistic. In order for the police to do anything there usually has to be some law-breaking involved, or at least a threat of law-breaking. I don't know where you are, but saying unpleasant and untrue things about a third party in a private letter generally isn't breaking the law in the US. Ringing the doorbell and leaving a non-threatening letter behind probably doesn't violate any law here either, at least not as a one-time event. That type of thing may become harassment or stalking if it happens repeatedly though. Are there laws that this behavior breaks wherever you are? Is the psychiatrist you're thinking of showing it to treating you or her? If he's treating her, it might be useful for him to see it but don't count on him doing anything about it. If she's fooling a psychiatrist, an unsigned letter is probably not going to convince him that she has a problem because she'll probably deny having anything to do with it. If he's treating you, it provides good evidence of the kind of things she does. Either way, I have a hard time imagining a competent doctor making a diagnosis based on one unsigned letter so your dad's comments about not letting him make his diagnosis part of her record seem overblown. You need to do what is right for you, not for him. He's made the choice to stay with her and thus he'll have to deal with any consequences that arise from that decision. At 10:30 AM 12/20/2012 N wrote: >I haven't posted in a long time. But I need to now. My BPD Mom >has thrown a letter over into our house (rang door bell and ran >away but I sensed it was her) signed " do-gooder " . The gist of >it was a rant about how my mother-in-law, who I'm close to, is >a witch, that she casts spells on people, about how my mother >in law has been talking badly about me behind my back for the >past year, and that she said she wished she had never married >her son to me...basically, a rant against my mother in law, >signed " do-gooder " . But I knew it was her. I knew it. I know >her handwriting. > >I haven't been speaking to her lately. My brother hasn't >either. My two sisters are out of town. My Dad has been under >her spell for a long time, he is too afraid to come and see me >unless Mom is out of the country. I showed him the letter, and >he said, you're sure it's her? I said Dad, this is definite, >I'm thinking of taking it to the police, or to the >psychiatrist, because this is " harrassment " and " tarnishing >others' reputations with no evidence. " So my Dad's concern is, >please don't go to the police, and if you go to the >psychiatrist tell him not to make his diagnosis part of Mom's >permanent record! The nerve my Dad had saying that. He's dying >of fear that others' know how nuts she is. My Dad is well-known >in my country, was in the government for a long time, so he >basically wants to avoid looking bad. > >I tried calling the psychiatrist but can't get an appointment >till Jan 2nd. Do you out there have any advice to me about what >to do next? How does one respond to such a psychotic letter? Is >this letter representative of psychosis or neurosis? I've been >thinking about this for a week since I got it, and I'm really >sick of her overstepping my boundaries. > >Thanks all and Merry Christmas! >N > -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Thanks so much for your support C! Yes, I feel better already, knowing I have a community who understand. You're right, the police are not going to take this seriously. I do have a psychiatrist who she has seen in the past and who diagnosed her as BPD. I think that this is whom I should contact. First appointment Jan 2nd, so I guess I'll wait. If she does believe what she's written, do you think she has crossed into neurosis or psychosis? Any input from anyone who this has happened to? Thanks all! N > I think that you will find that, unless she makes threats against your mother-in-law or you in the letter that the police won't take this letter seriously. A psychiatrist with experience dealing with BPD might find it to be a serious boundary violation. I hope that your mother has a psychiatrist you can talk to. If they don't have experience with BPD then they will just chalk it up to a desperate act to get you, her daughter, to come running to her mother for comfort after these dastardly revalations about your mother-in-law. If you think that your BPD mother really believes this nonsence she has written, then there might be a problem. I know that BPD people can convince themselves of some pretty outlandish things. > > C > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Or you could mail it to her with a note, look what my husband got, and what they're saying about you! Just for kicks I'm sorry. very long day I " m going to go lock myself away from the whole world. To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: Received Letter from BPD Mom Thanks so much for your support C! Yes, I feel better already, knowing I have a community who understand. You're right, the police are not going to take this seriously. I do have a psychiatrist who she has seen in the past and who diagnosed her as BPD. I think that this is whom I should contact. First appointment Jan 2nd, so I guess I'll wait. If she does believe what she's written, do you think she has crossed into neurosis or psychosis? Any input from anyone who this has happened to? Thanks all! N > I think that you will find that, unless she makes threats against your mother-in-law or you in the letter that the police won't take this letter seriously. A psychiatrist with experience dealing with BPD might find it to be a serious boundary violation. I hope that your mother has a psychiatrist you can talk to. If they don't have experience with BPD then they will just chalk it up to a desperate act to get you, her daughter, to come running to her mother for comfort after these dastardly revalations about your mother-in-law. If you think that your BPD mother really believes this nonsence she has written, then there might be a problem. I know that BPD people can convince themselves of some pretty outlandish things. > > C > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hi Katrina, I agree that the best thing to do at this point is to keep the letter but do not respond to it at all. Ignore it. However, if you wish to go permanently No Contact with your nada, and you wish to have a restraining order taken out against her, there is a specific protocol you need to follow in order to gain enough evidence to make that possible. There are many anti-stalking/anti-harassment websites that will detail the protocol (it begins with you or your lawyer issuing a formal, written cease-and-desist all contact notice by registered/certified mail) and after she receives it, you must document any and all further attempts at contact. Its good to have a lawyer to help you with this, because different states have different laws regarding what constitutes stalking or harassment. The states that have anti-stalking laws are the easiest to get a restraining order. Some states require there to be an act of violence or acts of vandalism, death threats, etc. Acts of slander or libel (verbal or written defamation of character, intended to destroy another person's good name) require documentation also, so keep that letter, it may be useful as evidence later. Its sad when a parent becomes so toxic and dangerous that the adult child needs a restraining order to protect him or her, but, that situation crops up pretty often here at this Group. -Annie > > What I'd do is put that letter away, along with a written record > of what happened. Apart from that I'd ignore it. Responding to > it would be playing right into her desire for attention and > drama. Either she knows the stuff she wrote is untrue and is > trying to get a rise out of you or she's seriously delusional > and thinks it is true. When people with BPD are delusional, it > is generally because they want to believe their delusions so > you're not going to talk her out of them. Letting this letter > bother you is letting her win to some degree. Remember, > boundaries are for you, not her. If you don't want to read > letters that she throws into your home, then don't read them. > Put them in a box unread if you want to accumulate evidence of > her behavior. Otherwise you can throw them away or burn them > without ever looking at them. You can't control what she does > but you can control how you react to it. > > I wonder what you expect the police or a psychiatrist to do with > that letter? You may be hoping for something unrealistic. In > order for the police to do anything there usually has to be some > law-breaking involved, or at least a threat of law-breaking. I > don't know where you are, but saying unpleasant and untrue > things about a third party in a private letter generally isn't > breaking the law in the US. Ringing the doorbell and leaving a > non-threatening letter behind probably doesn't violate any law > here either, at least not as a one-time event. That type of > thing may become harassment or stalking if it happens repeatedly > though. Are there laws that this behavior breaks wherever you > are? Is the psychiatrist you're thinking of showing it to > treating you or her? If he's treating her, it might be useful > for him to see it but don't count on him doing anything about > it. If she's fooling a psychiatrist, an unsigned letter is > probably not going to convince him that she has a problem > because she'll probably deny having anything to do with it. If > he's treating you, it provides good evidence of the kind of > things she does. Either way, I have a hard time imagining a > competent doctor making a diagnosis based on one unsigned letter > so your dad's comments about not letting him make his diagnosis > part of her record seem overblown. You need to do what is right > for you, not for him. He's made the choice to stay with her and > thus he'll have to deal with any consequences that arise from > that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 N, my mother is all about direct manipulation and confrontation. I gotta say, she has never tried to pull any kind if stunt like this. I do know that mine convinces herself of some pretty ridiculous stuff that just leave me shaking my head. C > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! I love it! > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Thank you all for your support! I took some advice from a cousin who said: " confront her with it and say it's unacceptable. " I followed it by calling her. She responded by stating my sister's name, when I said yes, she said, oh, the number on the phone says " unknown number " so I didn't know it was you. So I proceeded to tell her that the letter she threw into my home with my Dad's letterhead is " unacceptable. " She of course said: " which letter? " I said, the one you wrote. She proceeded to try to say something else. I blocked her and said I'm only calling you to tell you this, and that this is unacceptable behavior. She shut the phone in my face at that point. I called her back, she picked up without saying a word, just listening, so I repeated the same thing. She shut the phone in my face again,, I called back, and this time the number did not go through, so she may have shut her phone. I felt GREAT after that, it was finally out, I finally confronted her. Now SHE can sit there thinking oh gosh, they know it's me. She has been delusional before, stating that her dead father is at the door with groceries. She has pulled pretend " epileptic seizures " , she has pretended she doesn't " know who we are, doesn't recognize us. " But the minute I tell her that I'm about to call emergency services to take her to hospital, she " snaps out of it " and says, no, don't call the hospital. You get what type of person she is now. But I feel great with the calm confrontation I had with her. I don't think she expected me to bring it up, because it's so unlike me to confront her. I just stop talking to her, avoid her, but never really seek confrontation. Thanks all, what do you think of the result? N > BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! I love it! > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think that's great. And more importantly you feel great about how you handled it. Have a great holiday without her  To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:51 AM Subject: Re: Received Letter from BPD Mom Thank you all for your support! I took some advice from a cousin who said: " confront her with it and say it's unacceptable. " I followed it by calling her. She responded by stating my sister's name, when I said yes, she said, oh, the number on the phone says " unknown number " so I didn't know it was you. So I proceeded to tell her that the letter she threw into my home with my Dad's letterhead is " unacceptable. " She of course said: " which letter? " I said, the one you wrote. She proceeded to try to say something else. I blocked her and said I'm only calling you to tell you this, and that this is unacceptable behavior. She shut the phone in my face at that point. I called her back, she picked up without saying a word, just listening, so I repeated the same thing. She shut the phone in my face again,, I called back, and this time the number did not go through, so she may have shut her phone. I felt GREAT after that, it was finally out, I finally confronted her. Now SHE can sit there thinking oh gosh, they know it's me. She has been delusional before, stating that her dead father is at the door with groceries. She has pulled pretend " epileptic seizures " , she has pretended she doesn't " know who we are, doesn't recognize us. " But the minute I tell her that I'm about to call emergency services to take her to hospital, she " snaps out of it " and says, no, don't call the hospital. You get what type of person she is now. But I feel great with the calm confrontation I had with her. I don't think she expected me to bring it up, because it's so unlike me to confront her. I just stop talking to her, avoid her, but never really seek confrontation. Thanks all, what do you think of the result? N > BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! I love it! > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 If it (whatever course of action you choose) works and gets you the result you want, then its good. I would just caution you that IF your bpd mother is anything like mine, be prepared for her to engage in revenge behaviors. Possibly, your bpd mother (or " nada " ) may now feel justified in escalating her behaviors or retaliating against you for daring to confront her directly. Being mentally/emotionally prepared for that possibility (having a safety plan or plan of action in place) is just a precaution, sort of like being prepared in case there is an earthquake. I'm only mentioning this because my family's situation RE confronting our nada. When my Sister (and I, indirectly) confronted our nada and gave her a major ultimatum (the gist of the ultimatum was: " Your behavior is unacceptable; if you go into therapy and show some improvement then we will consider resuming contact with you " ), our nada DID go into therapy. After a few months of therapy our nada did seem to undergo a near-miraculous epiphany of personal insight; nada did cease being verbally abusive to Sister, but it only lasted a brief time because nada was doing the emotional equivalent of " walking on her hands " , and she couldn't keep it up indefinitely. It took only a mild frustration (Sister was a little late picking up nada for an appointment) for nada to have a spectacular, volcanic shrieking rage-tantrum meltdown, in which nada screamed that their was nothing wrong with her (with nada), that Sister and I were the hateful, insane ones, that we had lied about her, that nada had always been the perfect mother to us, didn't need any therapy, and she had only gone to see the psychologist to learn how to " deal with " us. Sister's plan was to simply initiate another period of No Contact when our nada behaved badly; Sister and nada went in and out of No Contact with each other up until our nada (whose final diagnosis was senile dementia/Alzheimer's) passed away last year. Thumb's up of encouragement from me; I hope your method of handling your nada's behaviors will work for you long-term, & wishing you all the strength and courage you need. -Annie > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Dear Annie, Yes, I can see how she would take " revenge " . She already has, in many ways, because whenever I go NC with her, she goes around talking to everyone about how bad a daughter I am, trying to turn family against me, not allowing my father to call me or visit, talking badly about me to Dad - who at this point is fuzzy about reality because he lives with her. But you know what? Because I've been exposing her insanity to family by showing them the letter she sent, but telling them why i can't come to a family gathering that she is at, they see my side of it, and you know what? No family has cut contact with me or found me to be at fault. I'm actually surprised by that, knowing that my Mom can be very convincing. So I guess it must say something about the way I handle things - Im never the one to complain about Mom, or say bad things, until word comes to me that she has said or done something bad, afterwhich I give my side of the story. In other words, I guess they see that I'm not out there to get her, but she on the other hand has exhausted everyone by going on and on about me, and they are all exasperated. But yes, I will be on my guard from her revenge attack. My sister is coming from out of town with her husband. I don't think I'll join the family get together - nothing good can come of it. I'll see Sis on my own. What makes it harder is that there are children involved, I can't have my kids witness her sudden attacks of venom. Thanks Annie and thank you all for your replies and support! N > If it (whatever course of action you choose) works and gets you the result you want, then its good. > > I would just caution you that IF your bpd mother is anything like mine, be prepared for her to engage in revenge behaviors. Possibly, your bpd mother (or " nada " ) may now feel justified in escalating her behaviors or retaliating against you for daring to confront her directly. Being mentally/emotionally prepared for that possibility (having a safety plan or plan of action in place) is just a precaution, sort of like being prepared in case there is an earthquake. > > I'm only mentioning this because my family's situation RE confronting our nada. > > When my Sister (and I, indirectly) confronted our nada and gave her a major ultimatum (the gist of the ultimatum was: " Your behavior is unacceptable; if you go into therapy and show some improvement then we will consider resuming contact with you " ), our nada DID go into therapy. After a few months of therapy our nada did seem to undergo a near-miraculous epiphany of personal insight; nada did cease being verbally abusive to Sister, but it only lasted a brief time because nada was doing the emotional equivalent of " walking on her hands " , and she couldn't keep it up indefinitely. > > It took only a mild frustration (Sister was a little late picking up nada for an appointment) for nada to have a spectacular, volcanic shrieking rage-tantrum meltdown, in which nada screamed that their was nothing wrong with her (with nada), that Sister and I were the hateful, insane ones, that we had lied about her, that nada had always been the perfect mother to us, didn't need any therapy, and she had only gone to see the psychologist to learn how to " deal with " us. > > Sister's plan was to simply initiate another period of No Contact when our nada behaved badly; Sister and nada went in and out of No Contact with each other up until our nada (whose final diagnosis was senile dementia/Alzheimer's) passed away last year. > > Thumb's up of encouragement from me; I hope your method of handling your nada's behaviors will work for you long-term, & wishing you all the strength and courage you need. > > -Annie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 N- good for you using direct confrontation. When my Nada does something new, I try to keep in mind she is doing it for attention or for a reaction. I have noticed if she is feeling ignored her hypochondria goes into full gear, she picks a fight, she has a new revelation, etc. It reminds me of people with Munchausen Syndrome, which BPD is a known risk factor. It seems like your mother's aim was to have you contact her. Then when she twice hung up and you called back she had validation you did care enough to keep calling. Twisted but so is there inner barometer for acceptable behavior. Based on what you have written it doesn't sound like she had a new psychotic break or neurosis but got a new trick for her bag... Peace and Blessings, MyReality > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Dear MyReality, You are So right! I actually visited her psychiatrist today and he said the same thing. He said he wouldn't have replied to her at all, she was seeking attention, it isn't neurosis, just her feeling left out and wanting to feel like she's back in the game. Confrontation though made me feel better. I guess to me I felt that I have the courage to face her. Maybe this will deter her from pulling stuff like this in the future. Regarding the doc, he said that I should have 6 sessions of cognitive therapy, to snap out of my old modes of thinking, so that any such behavior by my Mom will not trigger such an emotional reaction by me. He thinks I overreact to things she does. He is right, I sure do, but I've got lots of baggage and history concerning her, so I guess it's only natural. Let's see how these sessions go, who knows? In addition, he suggested that " Hoffman " in England, gives one week therapy sessions. Any one heard of those? N > N- good for you using direct confrontation. When my Nada does something new, I try to keep in mind she is doing it for attention or for a reaction. I have noticed if she is feeling ignored her hypochondria goes into full gear, she picks a fight, she has a new revelation, etc. It reminds me of people with Munchausen Syndrome, which BPD is a known risk factor. > > It seems like your mother's aim was to have you contact her. Then when she twice hung up and you called back she had validation you did care enough to keep calling. Twisted but so is there inner barometer for acceptable behavior. > > Based on what you have written it doesn't sound like she had a new psychotic break or neurosis but got a new trick for her bag... > > Peace and Blessings, > > MyReality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Hi N, .....What really amazes me, is that WE have to go into therapy for THEIR mental illness.... I've been through many years (afraid to count) of therapy...and I think that cognitive therapy may have been part of it (not sure). Â For me, therapy and working on my 'self' has helped tremendously in life. But, I will be in some sort of therapy for the rest of my life. Six sessions just won't do it... - ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Received Letter from BPD Mom Dear MyReality, You are So right! I actually visited her psychiatrist today and he said the same thing. He said he wouldn't have replied to her at all, she was seeking attention, it isn't neurosis, just her feeling left out and wanting to feel like she's back in the game. Confrontation though made me feel better. I guess to me I felt that I have the courage to face her. Maybe this will deter her from pulling stuff like this in the future. Regarding the doc, he said that I should have 6 sessions of cognitive therapy, to snap out of my old modes of thinking, so that any such behavior by my Mom will not trigger such an emotional reaction by me. He thinks I overreact to things she does. He is right, I sure do, but I've got lots of baggage and history concerning her, so I guess it's only natural. Let's see how these sessions go, who knows? In addition, he suggested that " Hoffman " in England, gives one week therapy sessions. Any one heard of those? N > N- good for you using direct confrontation. When my Nada does something new, I try to keep in mind she is doing it for attention or for a reaction. I have noticed if she is feeling ignored her hypochondria goes into full gear, she picks a fight, she has a new revelation, etc. It reminds me of people with Munchausen Syndrome, which BPD is a known risk factor. > > It seems like your mother's aim was to have you contact her. Then when she twice hung up and you called back she had validation you did care enough to keep calling. Twisted but so is there inner barometer for acceptable behavior. > > Based on what you have written it doesn't sound like she had a new psychotic break or neurosis but got a new trick for her bag... > > Peace and Blessings, > > MyReality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been waiting for it. . . my brother was supportive when I 1st went no contact with my nada because he knows she has big issues but he won't admit what they are or get interested in learning about BPD. He has a lot more fleas than I do because he's never married and been dependent on them a lot longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I finally go the e-mail today about how terrible it was that I was considering not allowing my nada to see the kids for Christmas. (Him being anti-Christmas and not making a big deal about it otherwise.) He said I was " taking this too far " . I expected it, knew it was coming, but still hate to see it. My brother and I have never been close, by nada's design, so I'm not really all that hurt by it but was hoping he would not become her flying monkey. I'm sure both nada and fada have been filling his ears about how terrible I was, but it is disappointing that he now believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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