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, NSIP is a form of PF!!! There is

fibrosis in the lung ..

..so it's PF in form that may be responsive to more therapies

like Predisone but it's still fibrosis!!!!

You may need O2, you may be SOB you may cough!!!

You may need another opinion!!!!

Z fibriotic NSIP/05

Z 64, fibriotic NSIP/o5/PA

And “mild” PH/10/07 and Reynaud’s

too!!

No, NSIP was not self-inflicted…I never smoked!

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Hi all,

I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did in

fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not turn

into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

the "wait & see" road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident

about

his evaluation.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and possibly

Dermatomyositis

125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

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Well, its an excellent place to go but NSIP is a form of PF. Sure he

didn't say it was not going to turn into IPF or UIP? Regardless, with an

autoimmune (a myositis to be more precise) and NSIP then your prognosis

is much better than if you had UIP. Imuran and Prednisone is the normal

treatment and often effective with that combination. Did a pathologist

there look at your biopsy slides also?

Overall sounds like good news.

>

> Hi all,

>

> I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

> vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

> and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

> UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did in

> fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not turn

> into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

> Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

> the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident about

> his evaluation.

>

> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

>

>

> 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and possibly

> Dermatomyositis

> 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

>

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You're right that he may need another opinion but I suspect its

confusion over the term PF versus IPF. uses IPF in his subject and

PF in the body. Many use them interchangeably but a pulmonologist there

wouldn't likely do so. If his believe is that its NSIP caused by the

Myositis or other known causes then its PF but its not Idiopathic. Now

the other way the term IPF is often used is to just represent a subset

of UIP-that is, UIP with no identifiable cause. So, NSIP would not turn

into that either.

Oh what tangled issue with all these words. But you do need to get the

misunderstanding cleared . I'd call but also your written report

should be specific when you get it, unless like my rheumatologist its

typed by someone for whom English is not a first or good language and

the doctor doesn't review it.

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

> > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

> > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

> > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did in

> > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not turn

> > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

> > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

> > the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident

about

> > his evaluation.

> >

> > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

> >

> >

> > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and possibly

> > Dermatomyositis

> > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

> >

> >

> >

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8/12/2008 4:59 PM

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> >

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HELP! This newbie is quite confused with some of the terminology and

abbreviations used.

Can someone simply post a list of abbreviations with their meaning.

I do not need a full definition just simple one. for instance, PF =

Pulmonary Fibrosis, etc. I do know that the " I " in " IPF " stands for

Idiopathic (or Idiotpathic because the researchers just do not have

the knowledge, yet. LOL) Also, from what I have read, IPF can be the

most insidious variety, right?

Obviously mine is related to my Still's Disease and related Sjrogrens

(similar to RA or Lupus). But, what are my abbreviations?

Tom from PA

>

>

>

>

> You're right that he may need another opinion but I suspect its

> confusion over the term PF versus IPF. uses IPF in his

subject and

> PF in the body.

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Unless this UCLA doc has GOD written after his title somewhere, I

would remember that even with all their training and expertise, all

the docs in the world are only going with their best guess. He has

no way of predicting the future. Hopes are he would be correct and

you would not develop fibrosis.

Hi !

S, Lubbock, TX

NSIP w/PF et al

>

> Hi all,

>

> I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

> vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

> and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

> UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did

in

> fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not

turn

> into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

> Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

> the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident

about

> his evaluation.

>

> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

>

>

> 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and

possibly

> Dermatomyositis

> 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

>

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Tom

Can't completely break the confusion. There are layman uses and technical medical uses and then those in between.

First, these are all called Interstitial Lung Diseases (ILD). That is all these various forms of Fibrosis. Pulmonary Fibrosis (PF) then is used to designate all forms of the diseases causing fibrosis or scarring to the lungs. Now, the most confusing term is IPF or Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. We'd actually be better off not using it as confused as we've made it. Many times its used as a substitute for PF. Even PFF (Pulmonary Fibrosis Foundation) and CPF (Coalition for Pulmonary Fibrosis and IPFNet.org, the site for the 13 Centers of Excellence does this. Now, there is some logic behind calling all PF Idiopathic because in reality even when we think we have a probable known cause, do we really know? Now, lets look from a more technical and pathophysiology standpoint.

http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/pulmonary/idiopathic/idiopathic.htm#table1

Here we see the actual breakdowns of UIP (Usual Interstitial Pneumonitis), NSIP (Nonspecific Interstitial Pneumonitis, BOOP, RP-ILD, DIP, LIP, and AIP which are the primary out of over 200 forms identified right now. These are what your surgeon is looking to identify with a biopsy or your pulmonologist tries to from the CT.

So the safest way is to think of the group as ILD's or PF's and these as the specific forms. Sometimes IPF is used interchangeably with UIP while other times used interchangeably with PF. So, its sort of lost its real definition. One may have UIP and it not be IPF if the doctors believe they know the cause. UIP caused by an autoimmune disease is no longer Idiopathic by truer definition. But then who knows cause and effect.

Now why is any breakdown between the types even important? Because UIP, NSIP, BOOP, RP-ILD, DIP, LIP, and AIP are among those that have been identified as having different appearances and characteristics, different prognosis generally in terms of the course and speed and different responses to medications such as Imuran and Prednisone.

Here is a table showing how they differ in appearance.

http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/pulmonary/idiopathic/table1.htm

Here is a table showing the signs and prognosis.

http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/pulmonary/idiopathic/table2.htm

Note that even that table is just one doctor's table. Everyone would have a different one. Also, who really knows which form. How many are yet undefined. How many subsets of UIP or NSIP. Honestly in many cases I think the form has been retroactively redefined based on its course.

> >> > > > > > > > You're right that he may need another opinion but I suspect its> > confusion over the term PF versus IPF. uses IPF in his > subject and> > PF in the body.>

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Hi all,

My understanding was PF stands for Pulmonary Fibrosis (meaning the

fibrosis came from smoking..for example) whereas, IPF stands for

Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis (meaning an unknown reason for the

fibrosis).

This pulmonologist at UCLA was saying that I only have NSIP (a form of

pneumonia) due to an autoimmune condition which will not go into a

fibrosing process. I believe one of the reasons he was saying this

was because the lung biopsy report mentioned there is " not significant

chronic scarring " and the pathologist would classify this as NSIP and

suggests further testing for Polymyositis/Dermatomyositis.

Thanks for all your help,

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

> > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

> > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

> > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did

> in

> > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not

> turn

> > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

> > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

> > the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident

> about

> > his evaluation.

> >

> > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

> >

> >

> > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and

> possibly

> > Dermatomyositis

> > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

> >

>

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the NSIP w/PF can also come from some unknown source, such an

an autoimmune that has not presented itself. It is not necessarily

identifiable as to cause either.

There are several of us on this board that are not and have not been

smokers, did not inhale asbestos or work in coal mines. Who know

where it comes from and it does not matter. It is what it is. I

have decided it really does not matter. I just try to protect

myself from environmentals as much as possible. I pulled the carpet

out of my bedroom, cleaned the air ducts and did all kinds of stuff

to my house and absolutely nothing changed. I still flare up for no

obvious reason.

Hang in there. It is daunting in the world you are in now.

Fortunately there is lots of good info you will find on this board.

S, Lubbock, TX

NSIP w/PF 12/2006 et al

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4

week

> > > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their

grandparents

> > > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an

appointment at

> > > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I

did

> > in

> > > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will

not

> > turn

> > > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on

this.

> > > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always

taken

> > > the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was

confident

> > about

> > > his evaluation.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

> > >

> > >

> > > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> > > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and

> > possibly

> > > Dermatomyositis

> > > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg

Niaspan

> > >

> >

>

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NSIP is a form of Pulmonary Fibrosis. It comes under the heading. If he

is using the term " IPF " to mean " UIP " as is often done, then it is a

different form.

Your advantage at this point is you have NSIP and a probable cause from

a myositis. Beth is on the road but she has very similar with NSIP

and an " undifferentiated connective tissue disease " . I have UIP and may

or may not have an autoimmune depending on the doctor of the day.

In your case the news sounds all good as there is not yet significant

scarring. I would have suspected such just based on what you're able to

do as the leakage appears to be causing more problems than the disease

right now.

As to the testing for Polymyositis and Dermatomyositis, I have been

through lots of that and am seeing a rheumatologist here in addition to

what was done at U of Chicago.

Why he says it isn't likely to progress is that he is assuming the

myositis to be the cause and if its progression is controlled then the

NSIP would stabilize.

UIP, NSIP and the others are all forms of pneumonitis.

In a biopsy of NSIP the most visible thing generally is prominent

interstitial inflammation. In UIP there is very little. Fibroblast

proliferation is also rare in NSIP, while prominant in UIP. Honeycombing

is rare in NSIP but exists in UIP.

To me the greatest value of the biopsy is differentiating UIP and NSIP

since they are so very different. So, while I wouldn't call any

Interstitial Lung Disease good, you do have as favorable one as

possible. This does put a high emphasis on controlling the myositis and

your rheumatologist will rise to the forefront of your treatment. The

other emphasis is monitoring and protecting other organs as it can, if

not adequately controlled, affect organs other than the lungs such as

the kidneys.

Oh, and welcome home. I know why you really went to LA. To avoid as many

100 degree days as you could here....lol

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week

> > > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents

> > > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at

> > > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did

> > in

> > > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not

> > turn

> > > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.

> > > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken

> > > the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was confident

> > about

> > > his evaluation.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

> > >

> > >

> > > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> > > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and

> > possibly

> > > Dermatomyositis

> > > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan

> > >

> >

>

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,

I have worked in commercial printing companies all my career (21 yrs).

Although I never worked directly with printing presses the

environment could have been a factor but cannot be proven. I went to

Los Angeles to see if a change in environment would help but it did

not. I do the same that you are doing...try to be in the best

environment, eat properly, take my meds and walk when I can. Those

seem to be the only things I can control. It has been a long road so

far and I still am not sure if anyone knows what I have or don't have.

They all agree that I'm on the right meds.

Thanks again,

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4

> week

> > > > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their

> grandparents

> > > > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an

> appointment at

> > > > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I

> did

> > > in

> > > > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will

> not

> > > turn

> > > > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on

> this.

> > > > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always

> taken

> > > > the " wait & see " road. This pulmonologist at UCLA was

> confident

> > > about

> > > > his evaluation.

> > > >

> > > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS

> > > > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and

> > > possibly

> > > > Dermatomyositis

> > > > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg

> Niaspan

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I have been on Remicade since Sept 2005 (I am due for my annual TB

test

soon).

It worked somewhat for my AOSD but did not last till the next dose.

Over time we increased the dose and decreased the time between

doses.

I am currently at the max dose and every 6 weeks instead of 8 weeks.

Of course then I was off due to the scalp surgery and follow up

infections......Hopefully I will be back on track. The first dose

only lasted about 4 weeks before I got my arthritis symptoms coming

back, waiting to see how this second dose will hold.

I have a co worker (I used to be his boss in a previous life) who has

sarcoidosis and ILD. He is now on Remicade and prednisone. I not

sure what else. I think they just started the Remicade start up

dosing

recently with him.

Cost.....expensive. Luckily I have good insurance.....I cringe when

I see the EOB (Explanation of Benefits) and see what it would cost

otherwise.

I had not seen it being used for your autoimmune conditions before.

But, it is an TNF Alpha blocker and that is involved in most of the

inflammatory cascade events our bodies deal with. So do not see why

not. At least as well as anything. AOSD is not an " approved "

disease for Remicade, but we are so similar to RA that it is

frequently used. What is the incidnece of your autoimmune disease?

AOSD is about 1 in 100,000.

Keep in touch.

Tom

>

> Tom,

>

> I am curious about what you think about Remicade. I am on

Prednisone

> & Imuran and someone suggested I ask about Remicade. Isn't that

> expensive? Do you have any serious side effects?

>

>

>

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Just popping in hear briefly to further add to the confusion. Within NSIP there are three distince subtypes. Fibrotic (which is what I have), Cellular and mixed. Cellular NSIP usually shows very little scarring and fibrosis. Fibrotic obviously shows significant scarring and mixed shows some qualities of each. This is of course a pretty basic description but as I understand it, cellular NSIP typically does not develop into full blown fibrosis. This may be what 's doctor was speaking of.

I'm sitting in bed right now watching "America's Best Dance Crew" on MTV (Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd write) with my 14 year old nephew. My son and I arrived this afternoon and I've been having way too much fun with the kids. I have a video that I will torture some of you with of my 6 year old nephew Jack singing "Build me up buttercup". He learned it at camp. Jack wants me to stay "how about maybe 22 days Aunt Mare?" It's nice to be loved.

Logan is too cute to even write about and he smells delicious!! I want to squeeze him till he pops!

I'll check in as I can.

Love to all!

Beth

Age 48 Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 UCTD 07/08

Change everything. Love and Forgive

Re: NSIP & IPF

NSIP is a form of Pulmonary Fibrosis. It comes under the heading. If heis using the term "IPF" to mean "UIP" as is often done, then it is adifferent form.Your advantage at this point is you have NSIP and a probable cause froma myositis. Beth is on the road but she has very similar with NSIPand an "undifferentiated connective tissue disease". I have UIP and mayor may not have an autoimmune depending on the doctor of the day.In your case the news sounds all good as there is not yet significantscarring. I would have suspected such just based on what you're able todo as the leakage appears to be causing more problems than the diseaseright now.As to the testing for Polymyositis and Dermatomyositis, I have beenthrough lots of that and am seeing a rheumatologist here in addition towhat was done at U of Chicago.Why he says it isn't likely to progress is that he is

assuming themyositis to be the cause and if its progression is controlled then theNSIP would stabilize.UIP, NSIP and the others are all forms of pneumonitis.In a biopsy of NSIP the most visible thing generally is prominentinterstitial inflammation. In UIP there is very little. Fibroblastproliferation is also rare in NSIP, while prominant in UIP. Honeycombingis rare in NSIP but exists in UIP.To me the greatest value of the biopsy is differentiating UIP and NSIPsince they are so very different. So, while I wouldn't call anyInterstitial Lung Disease good, you do have as favorable one aspossible. This does put a high emphasis on controlling the myositis andyour rheumatologist will rise to the forefront of your treatment. Theother emphasis is monitoring and protecting other organs as it can, ifnot adequately controlled, affect organs other than the lungs such asthe kidneys.Oh,

and welcome home. I know why you really went to LA. To avoid as many100 degree days as you could here....lol> > >> > > Hi all,> > >> > > I live in the Dallas area and just got back from spending a 4 week> > > vacation in Los Angeles. I took the kids to see their grandparents> > > and friends. While I was there I was able to get an appointment at> > > UCLA-Pulmonary & Critical Care. The pulmonologist said that I did> > in> > > fact have Dermatomyositis and NSIP. He said that this will not> > turn> > > into Pulmonary Fibrosis. I'm looking for any opinions on this.> > > Sounds too good to be true. My pulmonologist here has always taken> > > the "wait & see" road. This

pulmonologist at UCLA was confident> > about> > > his evaluation.> > >> > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated,> > > > > >> > > 40/Tx: IPF, NSIP dx 09/2007 VATS> > > Pneumomediastinum, Atrial Fibrillations, Hiatal Hernia, and> > possibly> > > Dermatomyositis> > > 125mg Imuran / 10mg Prednisone / 25mg Metoprolol / 1,000mg Niaspan> > >> >>

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