Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is "barbaric" when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. Becky Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is "barbaric" when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. Becky Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is "barbaric" when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. Becky Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I had an epidural with my youngest and in my opinion that is the only way to go. Mine wore off several times before he was actually born but they kept giving me more. The doctor was very sympathetic. Until afterwards when they did the tubal ligation. He said the epidural would take care of the pain of the second procedure but it didn't. I was immobilized and could barely speak and they went ahead with the procedure. So I felt all of it. Maybe it should have worked but it didn't. Now whenever I plan any kind of surgical procedure I emphasize strongly that they have to be sure I am not going to have any pain because I have had enough during my life. If I start to feel it, they knock me out. Ora On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT), Becky Thorn wrote: ><<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I had an epidural with my youngest and in my opinion that is the only way to go. Mine wore off several times before he was actually born but they kept giving me more. The doctor was very sympathetic. Until afterwards when they did the tubal ligation. He said the epidural would take care of the pain of the second procedure but it didn't. I was immobilized and could barely speak and they went ahead with the procedure. So I felt all of it. Maybe it should have worked but it didn't. Now whenever I plan any kind of surgical procedure I emphasize strongly that they have to be sure I am not going to have any pain because I have had enough during my life. If I start to feel it, they knock me out. Ora On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT), Becky Thorn wrote: ><<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I had an epidural with my youngest and in my opinion that is the only way to go. Mine wore off several times before he was actually born but they kept giving me more. The doctor was very sympathetic. Until afterwards when they did the tubal ligation. He said the epidural would take care of the pain of the second procedure but it didn't. I was immobilized and could barely speak and they went ahead with the procedure. So I felt all of it. Maybe it should have worked but it didn't. Now whenever I plan any kind of surgical procedure I emphasize strongly that they have to be sure I am not going to have any pain because I have had enough during my life. If I start to feel it, they knock me out. Ora On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT), Becky Thorn wrote: ><<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists only this year came out with a strongly worded statement to confirm what women have known for a long time - that routine episiotomy (in the absence of fetal distress and an urgent need to get the baby out faster) harms women, in the short term, through a more painful recovery and in the long term, by permanently changing the pelvic floor musculature, causing painful sex, chronic pain, and overtightness or weakness of the muscles, potentially leading to a whole host of other problems. Episiotomy is by definition a cut into the pelvic floor muscle. Wish I'd known enough to steer clear of my scissors happy OB/GYN 10 years ago. When the second baby came, I did. I went to a midwife, I was allowed to have my perineum stretch as the midwife assisted it through massage and I had only a small tear and a much easier recovery, all this while delivering a baby a pound larger than my first. Simply put, there is rarely a justification for this barbaric procedure. Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is "barbaric" when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. Becky Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists only this year came out with a strongly worded statement to confirm what women have known for a long time - that routine episiotomy (in the absence of fetal distress and an urgent need to get the baby out faster) harms women, in the short term, through a more painful recovery and in the long term, by permanently changing the pelvic floor musculature, causing painful sex, chronic pain, and overtightness or weakness of the muscles, potentially leading to a whole host of other problems. Episiotomy is by definition a cut into the pelvic floor muscle. Wish I'd known enough to steer clear of my scissors happy OB/GYN 10 years ago. When the second baby came, I did. I went to a midwife, I was allowed to have my perineum stretch as the midwife assisted it through massage and I had only a small tear and a much easier recovery, all this while delivering a baby a pound larger than my first. Simply put, there is rarely a justification for this barbaric procedure. Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is "barbaric" when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. Becky Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 After hearing about the twisted ways that male ob-gyns described cutting women's genitals from a female ob-gyn...there are very few male ob-gyns I would trust. Yes, there are some (and some females that I wouldn't trust) men I would trust...but sometimes I think Dr. Freud would have a field day with the whole episotomy procedure...cutting women's vaginas for no good reason. It's pretty upsetting to me. Lindsey > > The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists only this year came out with a strongly worded statement to confirm what women have known for a long time - that routine episiotomy (in the absence of fetal distress and an urgent need to get the baby out faster) harms women, in the short term, through a more painful recovery and in the long term, by permanently changing the pelvic floor musculature, causing painful sex, chronic pain, and overtightness or weakness of the muscles, potentially leading to a whole host of other problems. Episiotomy is by definition a cut into the pelvic floor muscle. Wish I'd known enough to steer clear of my scissors happy OB/GYN 10 years ago. When the second baby came, I did. I went to a midwife, I was allowed to have my perineum stretch as the midwife assisted it through massage and I had only a small tear and a much easier recovery, all this while delivering a baby a pound larger than my first. > > Simply put, there is rarely a justification for this barbaric procedure. > > > Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth > > > > <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 After hearing about the twisted ways that male ob-gyns described cutting women's genitals from a female ob-gyn...there are very few male ob-gyns I would trust. Yes, there are some (and some females that I wouldn't trust) men I would trust...but sometimes I think Dr. Freud would have a field day with the whole episotomy procedure...cutting women's vaginas for no good reason. It's pretty upsetting to me. Lindsey > > The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists only this year came out with a strongly worded statement to confirm what women have known for a long time - that routine episiotomy (in the absence of fetal distress and an urgent need to get the baby out faster) harms women, in the short term, through a more painful recovery and in the long term, by permanently changing the pelvic floor musculature, causing painful sex, chronic pain, and overtightness or weakness of the muscles, potentially leading to a whole host of other problems. Episiotomy is by definition a cut into the pelvic floor muscle. Wish I'd known enough to steer clear of my scissors happy OB/GYN 10 years ago. When the second baby came, I did. I went to a midwife, I was allowed to have my perineum stretch as the midwife assisted it through massage and I had only a small tear and a much easier recovery, all this while delivering a baby a pound larger than my first. > > Simply put, there is rarely a justification for this barbaric procedure. > > > Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth > > > > <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 After hearing about the twisted ways that male ob-gyns described cutting women's genitals from a female ob-gyn...there are very few male ob-gyns I would trust. Yes, there are some (and some females that I wouldn't trust) men I would trust...but sometimes I think Dr. Freud would have a field day with the whole episotomy procedure...cutting women's vaginas for no good reason. It's pretty upsetting to me. Lindsey > > The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists only this year came out with a strongly worded statement to confirm what women have known for a long time - that routine episiotomy (in the absence of fetal distress and an urgent need to get the baby out faster) harms women, in the short term, through a more painful recovery and in the long term, by permanently changing the pelvic floor musculature, causing painful sex, chronic pain, and overtightness or weakness of the muscles, potentially leading to a whole host of other problems. Episiotomy is by definition a cut into the pelvic floor muscle. Wish I'd known enough to steer clear of my scissors happy OB/GYN 10 years ago. When the second baby came, I did. I went to a midwife, I was allowed to have my perineum stretch as the midwife assisted it through massage and I had only a small tear and a much easier recovery, all this while delivering a baby a pound larger than my first. > > Simply put, there is rarely a justification for this barbaric procedure. > > > Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth > > > > <<I had the same experience with my first baby. But I think that it is " barbaric " when they do it without warning and with no anesthesia. They had plenty of time to do anesthesia but just cut me and that really hurt. I still remember the pain 50 years later. And it took months for the stitches to heal. >> > > I think that's really awful what happened to you, Ora. I'm so sorry. > > It totally depends on the doctor how they go about it. I've heard really bad, fear-inspiring stories. For example, my best friend's epidural had worn off by the time she was through pushing. And she was literally screaming while the doctor was SEWING up her episiotomy afterwards. > > I think they must just get so calloused because they see it many times over every single day. I could never do that job, watching all those women in so much pain and knowing that they just had to get through it, hopefully with a working epidural (some of my friends' epidurals didn't work at all!). And just think about those forceps deliveries! Birth itself seems barbaric (brutal) to me any way you go about it! (UGH!) The least the doctors could do is warn you they're about to slice your most tender tissues and try to numb it if they have time. > > Becky > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Chelle, My daughters were born in 62 and 64 – pre “dark ages”. One was 9lbs even and the other was 9-14. I had the EXACT same experience as your MIL. You are bringing back such memories … I was so young – I didn’t know any better. nne From: VulvarDisorders [mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of Chelle Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:23 AM To: VulvarDisorders Subject: [sPAM] Re: Ora/Surgeons/Birth My mother in law refers to the time when she gave birth ('68 & '71) as " the dark ages " . It was certainly WHACK from the way she has described things. They waited until her first baby's head was crowning, gave her a whiff of " twilight sleep " then delivered by forceps....is that CRAZY or what???? I mean, by that time she had already suffered the most of the pain. That lovely delivery left her with a tear all the way to the rectum! When my MIL needed to be checked for how far she had progressed during labor, the nurse waited until the height of a " contraction " then checked her rectally...NUTS!!! I think Becky mentioned her friend being sewed up and FEELING it. Same thing happened to my MIL after she had my husband. She said she literally FELT every stitch! When my doc was sewing my first episiotomy I felt the very last stitch, I let him know and he said that was it! But he did numb me first, though. I only 'know' one person who made it through childbirth with no episiotomy and no tear! ~Chelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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