RE: What could be causing anxiety/agitation? (a little long...sorry)

January 23, 2008

Your FT4 is at the low end of the range, but your FT3 is in the top half of

the range. I think that may indicate that you don't have enough cortisol so

your body can't use the T3 in your bloodstream. If that is the case, then

you may have problems taking the Armour until you get your cortisol levels

up. The RT3 also looks like it's high to me, but I don't know the formula to

see what the ratio is. I'm sure Val will weigh in and give you an idea about

that. Do you have your numbers from your cortisol testing? If you do, could

you post them?

Cherie

Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you

learn.--C.S.

> I am on 60 mg of Armour first thing in the morning. About 1/2

> hour later, I take some

> other meds including Prozac (for anxiety) and Adreset (for

> adrenal support). I also drink

> some coffee, but it is only half caffeinated. About 1 to 3 hours

> after taking the Armour, I

> sometimes feel hyper and agitated and become impatient and

> irritable quickly. I also feel

> like my pulse is more rapid and I get out of breath more easily.

> The feelings then come

> and go throughout the day. I was like this before I ever took SSRI's, so

> I'm not sure why it's resurfacing. I know Prozac is bad, but I

> have been on SSRI's for the

> past 12 years for anxiety disorder (I have tried many of them,

> unfortunately).

>

> I'm wondering if I'm taking something I shouldn't, if I'm on too

> high a dose of Armour, or

> if I need to add something to feel calm and normal. Any

> thoughts? In case it helps, here

> are my most recent labs:

>

> TSH 0.16 (0.30 - 5.00 uIU/mL)

> FT4 0.6 (0.6 - 1.6 ng/dL)

> FT3 3.33 (2.30 - 4.20 pg/mL)

> Reverse T3 251 (90 - 350 pg/mL)

>

> I have normal serum DHEA, but low saliva DHEA. My saliva

> cortisol tests were all in the

> low end of normal, but the late night number was very low. My

> DHEA/Cortisol ratio was

> low,

> too.

>

> Thanks so much in advance!

>

> Jodi

>

January 24, 2008

TSH 0.16 (0.30 - 5.00 uIU/mL)

> FT4 0.6 (0.6 - 1.6 ng/dL)

> FT3 3.33 (2.30 - 4.20 pg/mL)

> Reverse T3 251 (90 - 350 pg/mL)

Ther eis a real bad RT3 problem here in that it is ODD with you having T4 this

low to have RT3 this high. Thsi indicates to me a very BIG problemwith

conversion. Either Cortiosl is WAY high or something is very wrong, but at any

rate to start wiht I would go on T3 only for a time to clear out the RT3. Are

you on HC? How much and how low were your labs when you started it?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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January 24, 2008

Constant hyper usually comes before fatigue because it is an adrenaline

compensation for low cortisol. I was like that for years, then I started a

combo of hyper and fatigue, then I completely crashed to all fatigue. Your

two morning labs are low on the cortisol even though within range. Your DHEA

is very low for the range. Both indicate to me adrenal fatigue. What is the

person helping you giving you for your adrenals?

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Thanks everyone for trying to help me. I don't like being fatigued, but

this constant hyper

feeling is really weird.

Maybe getting the

Pravachol out of my system has me metabolizing the other meds differently?

Thanks again for all your help!

Jodi

.

January 24, 2008

0.49 (range 0.27 - 1.18 mcg/dl) 7 - 9 a.m.

0.23 (range 0.10 - 0.41) 11 a.m - 1 p.m.

0.13 (range 0.05 - 0.27) 3 - 5 p.m.

<0.03 (range 0.03 - 0.14) 10 p.m. - 12 a.m.

DHEA 7 - 9 a.m. - 74 (range 71 - 640 pg/ml)

DHEA: Cortisol Ratio/10,000 - 151 (115 - 1,188)

UGH I hate this lab's ranges, btu what I ussually do when I have them is this:

*AM I liek to see at the very top if it's range, yours is less than HALF.. WAY

too low, Noon I liek to see close to the top as well, Here yours is too low as

well; 4PM I like to see at least mid range, yuors is OK here barely. Night time

midrange, yours is in the dirt. I do nto believe anythign less thna HC will work

for you and I think you need it pretty badly. The lwo DHEA shoes adrenal

exhaustion as it has given up tyring to compensate even with that. If it were me

I would get on HC pronto with or wihtout a doc's help. Your thyroid situationn

ill not improve nor will you be able to tolerate thyroid until you get the

adrneals in better shape.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

January 25, 2008

>

> I am on 60 mg of Armour first thing in the morning. About 1/2 hour

later, I take some

> other meds including Prozac (for anxiety) and Adreset (for adrenal

support). I also drink

> some coffee, but it is only half caffeinated. About 1 to 3 hours after

taking the Armour, I

> sometimes feel hyper and agitated and become impatient and irritable

quickly. I also feel

> like my pulse is more rapid and I get out of breath more easily. The

feelings then come

> and go throughout the day. I was like this before I ever took SSRI's,

so

> I'm not sure why it's resurfacing. I know Prozac is bad, but I have

been on SSRI's for the

> past 12 years for anxiety disorder (I have tried many of them,

unfortunately).

>

> I'm wondering if I'm taking something I shouldn't, if I'm on too high

a dose of Armour, or

> if I need to add something to feel calm and normal. Any thoughts? In

case it helps, here

> are my most recent labs:

>

> TSH 0.16 (0.30 - 5.00 uIU/mL)

> FT4 0.6 (0.6 - 1.6 ng/dL)

> FT3 3.33 (2.30 - 4.20 pg/mL)

> Reverse T3 251 (90 - 350 pg/mL)

>

> I have normal serum DHEA, but low saliva DHEA. My saliva cortisol

tests were all in the

> low end of normal, but the late night number was very low. My

DHEA/Cortisol ratio was

> low,

> too.

>

> Thanks so much in advance!

>

> Jodi

Hi Jodi,

Have you had a Urine Hormone Panel done? I had horrible racing

thoughts, anxiety, obessive & fixated thoughts and was driving my

friends crazy. Through a hormone test I found out that my Estrone

level was very high and all of my hormones were out of wack making me

estrogen dominant which is common with Adrenal dysfunction. I took an

anti-depressant for a while and it did nothing. Curing the problem is

really what needs to be done to stop the symptoms. I read somewhere

that almost all emotional illnesses have a physical cause as the root

problem. Hope this helps.... Gail

January 28, 2008

How does the Cymbalta work for you? My major issue is the anxiety and

I have, unfortunately, been on most of the SSRIs out there over the

past 12 years.

Jodi

> That's what has been happening to me. While I feel like I have more

> energy than normal, I'm starting to realize that's it's coming in

> bursts and then I'm pretty beat after. Seeing now that this is a sign

> of my problem. I get antsy feeling but not tired at all then an hour

or

> two later...BOOM! I'm also taking Cymbalta for anxiety/depression.

>

January 28, 2008

No, I haven't had a Urine Hormone Panel. What does that involve? I

believe that emotional illnesses have physical causes too. Guess my

challenge lies in finding out what's causing my issues. Thanks, Gail!

> Have you had a Urine Hormone Panel done? I had horrible racing

> thoughts, anxiety, obessive & fixated thoughts and was driving my

> friends crazy. Through a hormone test I found out that my Estrone

> level was very high and all of my hormones were out of wack making me

> estrogen dominant which is common with Adrenal dysfunction. I took

an

> anti-depressant for a while and it did nothing. Curing the problem

is

> really what needs to be done to stop the symptoms. I read somewhere

> that almost all emotional illnesses have a physical cause as the root

> problem. Hope this helps.... Gail

>

January 28, 2008