Val Harley - Can you please help me out with my Adrenal Fatigue?

January 25, 2008

Hi Val!

I was recommended to you by pmgamer18, he told me you are very good

and you helped him out a great deal with his adrenal/thyroid problems.

I havent had any luck at all getting help from any doctors or endo's

and not too much luck on the net either.

I beleive i have adrenal fatigue from stress and using stimulants,

because i crashed BIG time once i stopped using them, and i have a TON

of side effects since, and even though my thyroid levels appear

normal, i have all the symptoms of hypothyroid, like fatigue, my face

is puffy, and i gained 12 pounds despite not changing anything in my

lifestyle. I think its mostly water and a little bit of fat/muscle.

Ive been suffering from this since May/07 when i crashed. I am a 23

year old male and i live in Canada. Ive had my DHEA-S tested a few

times in AUG/SEPT/OCT/07, and they all came up very low aswell. I also

had a 24 hour Urine Cortisol Test which came up normal. I can posts

those results if you want.

Here are my most recent labs.

01/14/2008 ( ZRT Labs USA )

DHEAS (saliva) 4.6L ng/ml 7-23 (Age 16 - 30)

Cortisol Morning (saliva) 2.6L ng/ml 3.7-9.5

Cortisol Noon (saliva) 3.4H ng/ml 1.2-3.0

Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

Cortisol Night (saliva) 0.7 ng/ml 0.4-1.0

Nov/30/07 ( Tests ordered by my Endo Canada )

Testosterone = 20.5 (Ref 7.3 - 23.5)

Free Testosterone = 54.0 (Ref 31.0 - 94.0)

Androstenedione = 7.3 (Ref 2.2 - 10.2)

FSH = 2 (Ref 2 - 8)

LH = 6 (Ref 2 - 6)

Estradiol = 195 (Ref UP TO 206)

Total Prolactin = 8 (Ref 2 - 18)

DHEA-S = 5.4 LO (Ref 7.6 - 17.4)

TSH = 1.48 (Ref 0.35 - 5.00)

Free T3 = 5.9 (Ref 3.5 - 6.5)

Free T4 = 15 (Ref 9 - 23)

Sodium = 140 (Ref 135 - 147)

Potassium = 3.7 (Ref 3.5 - 5.2)

Glucose - Random = 4.3 (Ref 3.6 - 6.9)

I feel and look horrible because of this, and it doesnt seem to be

getting any better on its own. I have to do a phyical job and its very

hard for me to keep up.

If you could please help me out to get my adrenals/thyroid back to

normal again i would really appreciate it. This has taken a huge toll

on my life.

Thanks!

January 25, 2008

Looks lie your AM cortios is VERY low and the noon high is a rebound

effect, btu that is good in a way as it shows your adrneals CAN rebound,

btu they won;t keep doingthis forever. You need ot get some adrnela

support started ASAP to build theyir strength. This is one time I would

dose per your labs and suggest AM only cortisol supplenmentation. Taking

2-4 Isocort pellets first thing inthe morning and 25mmg DHEA migh tdo

the trick for oyu. Then getting thyroid labs redone in a month on this

to see if the T3 is then too low. It may be as it will hep your body

utilise the T3 better and thus show it's true status an may be a little

on the low side, b ut maybe not, just have to recheck and see.

Ashwaganda, unrefined sea salt (lots of it as your sodium is low) and

some high potassium foods such as bananas and ornage juice shouldhelp

those levels come up better.

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January 25, 2008

>

> Looks lie your AM cortios is VERY low and the noon high is a

rebound

> effect, btu that is good in a way as it shows your adrneals CAN

rebound,

> btu they won;t keep doingthis forever. You need ot get some

adrnela

> support started ASAP to build theyir strength. This is one time I

would

> dose per your labs and suggest AM only cortisol supplenmentation.

Taking

> 2-4 Isocort pellets first thing inthe morning and 25mmg DHEA migh

tdo

> the trick for oyu. Then getting thyroid labs redone in a month on

this

> to see if the T3 is then too low. It may be as it will hep your

body

> utilise the T3 better and thus show it's true status an may be a

little

> on the low side, b ut maybe not, just have to recheck and see.

> Ashwaganda, unrefined sea salt (lots of it as your sodium is low)

and

> some high potassium foods such as bananas and ornage juice

shouldhelp

> those levels come up better.

>

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>

Thank you VERY much Val, for your help, i really appreciate it.

Okay, so i'll follow that regimen and i'll get my Free T3 and T4 re-

tested in 1 month, and report back to you. I have some time release

DHEA 25mg already, so i'll order the Isocort asap.

If i notice anything weird or side effects wise i'll probabbly ask

about it, if you dont mind.

Lastly, do you think its okay for me to use Propecia, for hairloss?

I take this on and off and i dont know if its effecting my thyroid

or adrenals, it reduces DHT.

Thanks so much for your help Val!

January 25, 2008

>

> Do you take propecia orally on topically? I read a website a few

weeks back

> where the guy was saying cortisol supplementation with Propecia

helped his

> hair growth. Not sure if it did long term or if there were side

effects.

>

> Cheri

Hi Cheri, i take it orally off and on, but when applying it

topically, it is said to have pretty large systematic absorption,

thats why pregnant woman arent supposed to touch broken Finesteride

tablets.

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Thank you VERY much Val, for your help, i really appreciate it.

>

> Okay, so i'll follow that regimen and i'll get my Free T3 and T4

re-

> tested in 1 month, and report back to you. I have some time

release

> DHEA 25mg already, so i'll order the Isocort asap.

>

> If i notice anything weird or side effects wise i'll probabbly

ask

> about it, if you dont mind.

>

> Lastly, do you think its okay for me to use Propecia, for

hairloss?

> I take this on and off and i dont know if its effecting my

thyroid

> or adrenals, it reduces DHT.

>

> Thanks so much for your help Val!

> .

>

January 26, 2008

> >

> > >>Lastly, do you think its okay for me to use Propecia, for

> hairloss?

> > I take this on and off and i dont know if its effecting my

thyroid

> > or adrenals, it reduces DHT.<<

> >

> > I just did a quick search and could not find that it affects

> thyroid or cortios levels so I would just lok up any side effects

> listed adn see if oyu are having any.

>

> Okay Val, Thank you VERY much for helping me out, i really

> appreciate it.

>

> I ordered some Isocort and Ashwaganda, and will report back in

> around 1 month when i get my Thyroid retested, and to report how i

> feel,ect.

>

> I guess i should order another Adrenal Stress Profile saliva kit

> test, so when needed i can retest the adrenals aswell.

>

> Thanks again Val!

> >

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

Hi Val, i just got to thinking something, and was wondering if you

could help me out with a question.

Im going to follow your advice like i was saying, and re-check my

thyroid levels after 1 month, but even as it stands right now, my T3

levels dont seem totally optimal, as in they're not at the top of

the range or slightly higher, which is where id like them to be

ideally.

So lets say my T3 levels come back the same number or a bit lower,

would using something like Cytomel, at a lower dose, be a bad idea

to get my T3 at the top of the range? Would this be bad for my

adrenals as they are fatigued? My T4 levels look fine right?

I just want to have my steady energy back and want my puffy/bloated

cheeks to go away because ive never had these in my life before, ive

always been naturally lean and muscular, with a slim face. I also

eat well and stay pretty active.

Thanks for the help Val.

January 27, 2008

I'm not Val either, but I don't think there is a quick fix. The best thing

you can do is keep working on getting all your levels right and then the

symptoms should start clearing up.

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> I have had this ugly puffy/bloated face since this whole thing

> started in May/07, so thats like 9 months, so i hope i dont have

> permanent damage.

>

> Do you know why my face is puffy and bloated, especially the

> absolute worst in the morning?

>

> I really need to get rid of this asap.

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7:44 PM

January 27, 2008

>

> >>Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i

>

> want to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and

bodybuilding

>

> people use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals

are probabbly fine, as mine are not.

> My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is

concerned T3 is all that matters correct?

> If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?<<

>

> Which adrenal support you would bneed depoends on how bad your

adrenals are can you post saliv labs? Taking T3 does NOT lower T4.

Too high a T4 level usually indicates a conversion problem if it is

accompanied by low T3. In that case you should check RT3 and also

look for high cortiosl.

>

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January 27, 2008

I would not add T3 untikl the adrenals are in MUCH better shape and then

only if labs or temps being too low warrant it. Once on the adrenal

suppor you should graph your temps following the method described at

www.drrind.com and if your daily average is below 98.6 THEN yes it woul

be fine ot add in T3. I would not start at 25mcg though with any adrenal

weakness oyu will need to start lower say 12.5mcg and split that into 2

doses AM and noon thne in a week or so if temps remain stable, you coul

dincrease by 12.5mcg eqch week till temps are normal. If your temps do

not show hypo I would NOT add T3 just to lose weight as you risk

depleting the adrenlas even worse.

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January 27, 2008

>

> I would not add T3 untikl the adrenals are in MUCH better shape

and then

> only if labs or temps being too low warrant it. Once on the

adrenal

> suppor you should graph your temps following the method described

at

> www.drrind.com and if your daily average is below 98.6 THEN yes it

woul

> be fine ot add in T3. I would not start at 25mcg though with any

adrenal

> weakness oyu will need to start lower say 12.5mcg and split that

into 2

> doses AM and noon thne in a week or so if temps remain stable, you

coul

> dincrease by 12.5mcg eqch week till temps are normal. If your

temps do

> not show hypo I would NOT add T3 just to lose weight as you risk

> depleting the adrenlas even worse.

>

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Hi Val, okay will do, i will follow your advice.

Im going to check out that website so i can track my temps, and i'll

keep you updated on my situation.

I cant thank you enough for your help, i really appreciate it.

Thanks!

>

February 1, 2008

> Not really. It is always easier to break something than to fix it.

> Especially if no one wants to tell you how to fix it and makes it

> hard to

> get the tools yourself along with a do it yourself manual. :-)

>

Or if nobody seems to realize things can get broken (sub-clinically,

that is) in the first place - the general lack of awareness about

degrees of AF between 0 and 8 (or would it be 7 and 8 would be

death?) Or tell you how to avoid getting things broken.

Jim

February 3, 2008

>

> Adrena;s are pokey to heal. 10 months to 2 years! Sorry no better

news!

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Hi Val, sorry to bother you again, im just waiting on my Isocort and

in the meantime a few questions have been on my mind.

My Test results showed very low morning Cortisol, and high Afternoon

Cortisol, but normal evening and midnight cortisol.

Now if my evening and night Cortisol is normal, why is my face still

puffy 24 hours a day? Shouldnt my thyroid hormones be getting into

the cells when my Cortisol is normal, or even when its high in the

afternoon?

Also, ever since this whole thing started, ive had dark circles

under both of my eyes, and under my eyes look a bit more sunken in

from the rest of my facial skin.

What is causing this and once i get my adrenals supported and my

thyroid optimal, will this go away? I guess these are the veins

under the eyes causing this?

Lastly, i tend to get some muscle ache's on the side of my hip, and

lower leg sometimes, they come and go. Is this a symptom of low

Cortisol?

My hands and feet also fall asleep and get pins and needles a LOT

more easily than normal. I dont know what is up with this, mabye its

thw water retention? I dont even have to put too much pressure on

them for too long, and i get this.

Sorry for all the additional questions Val, im just very curious and

upset at whats going on with my body right now.

Thanks.

February 3, 2008

You are describing alot of hypothyroid symptoms. I odo not htink high

cortils later in the day makes up for low AM cortils as far as gettign

enough thyroid to the cells to work, it juts doesn;t seem to work that way.

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February 3, 2008

>

> You are describing alot of hypothyroid symptoms. I odo not htink

high

> cortils later in the day makes up for low AM cortils as far as

gettign

> enough thyroid to the cells to work, it juts doesn;t seem to work

that way.

>

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WV

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

Thanks for the help Val, i hope these symptoms go away because i

look like i have been punched in the nose or something with these

dark wrings under my eyes, definetly doesnt look attractive. Mabye

its the water retention in my face making the veins more pronounced.

I should get my Isocort this week, but im also going to order some

Cortef, and Armour Thyroid just in case i need it, because i want to

get atleast my puffy face under control asap. I look like a

different person and i cant stand it, its absolutely ridiculous. Im

holding atleast 10 pounds of fluid.

When my facial puffyness goes away then i know im doing the right

thing.

What do you think about using Dr.s Adrenal Rebuilder, Super

Adrenal Stress Formula, and Adrenal C Formula, in conjuntion with

IsoCort or Cortef? Would this help speed up the recovery of my

adrenal glands?

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/adrenal_rebuilder.php

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/super_adrenal_formula.php

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/adrenal_c_formula.php

Thanks again Val!

February 3, 2008

Be sure and give it time. HC and/or Armour are not magic pills that work

immediately. You have to go slowly until you get to the correct dose for

YOU. You may feel worse before you feel better. Many times when you start HC

you start having more hypoT symptoms.

If any of those are just vitamins, they should be fine. You want to stay

away from anything that has adrenal gland or things like liqorice in it

though. The first one has glandulars in it so you woldn't want to use it

along with Isocort or HC. The other two look like just vitamins.

I know it is really tempting to try to go faster with all of thsis than is

advised but that usually ends up with the person having to backtrack even

farther than they started and ends up taking much long to get better. :-)

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> When my facial puffyness goes away then i know im doing the right

> thing.

>

> What do you think about using Dr.s Adrenal Rebuilder, Super

> Adrenal Stress Formula, and Adrenal C Formula, in conjuntion with

> IsoCort or Cortef? Would this help speed up the recovery of my

> adrenal glands?

>

> http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/adrenal_rebuilder.php

> http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/super_adrenal_formula.php

> http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/adrenal_c_formula.php

>

> Thanks again Val!

>

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9:09 AM

February 8, 2008

>

> I am not a huge fan of Dr . I think his products are over

priced

> for what they are whihc is vitamins. Maybe the rebuilder as it

contians

> the glands, but Isocort is already a glandular. I do nto think

doubling

> up on glandulars is needed. And you cn buy vitamins separately a

whole

> lot cheaper.

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>

Hi Val, i am STILL waiting on my Isocort, and was hoping to get it

today before the weekend.

Im also waiting for my new credit card, so i can order some Cortef

and Armour, and some more T3, just in case i need it.

But today i was at Wal-Mart, and i saw they had Cortef Cream with

Aloe there, it was 0.5% Hydrocortisone, so i picked up a couple

tubes just incase.

Could i use this stuff untill my Isocort comes? Bad idea? If so how

much and where do i rub it in? Should i apply it in the morning as

you suggested with my IsoCort?

If not i wont touch it, i just hope that the IsoCort is enough to

fix my adrenal fatigue and get them healed and working normal again,

because they havent healed yet since last May/07, and my face has

been puffy ever since, along with it looking like ive aged 7 years

and im fatigued and just dont feel good. I just checked my blood

pressure again at Wal-Mart and its high again. Its basically ruining

my life and putting it on hold, when i cant afford to lose this time.

I also do a physical job 2-3 days per week so that probabbly doesnt

help my adrenal fatigue.

I strongly think my T3 levels could use a boost aswell, but my

adrenals cant handle it without support.

Anyways, i was just wondering.

Thanks Val!

February 8, 2008