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Hi--

I am new to the group and started doing research on Armour for my son

who is 11 y.o., hypo and has Down syndrome. He just began using the

Armour about a month ago. I think that I have thyroid/adrenal issues

of my own and just about 4 days ago began taking ACE. I read about it

on an Autism-Mercury group that I belong to for my other son who has

autism. It was recommended that he try it because of OCD, anxiety and

sensory issues. To make a long story short---I just got my period and

it is about a week early (I am usually very regular). My question is,

could this be from the ACE? I have only been taking 1/4 cap a day to

acclimate myself. I am a little nervous about it, especially since I

just started my son (with autism) on it Saturday. Please help!!

Laurie

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It could. How much cortisol does ACE have in it? My periods changed for a

few months as I was ramping up my cortisol until I got the right dose and

now it appears they are normal again.

Cheri

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Hi--

I am new to the group and started doing research on Armour for my son

who is 11 y.o., hypo and has Down syndrome. He just began using the

Armour about a month ago. I think that I have thyroid/adrenal issues

of my own and just about 4 days ago began taking ACE. I read about it

on an Autism-Mercury group that I belong to for my other son who has

autism. It was recommended that he try it because of OCD, anxiety and

sensory issues. To make a long story short---I just got my period and

it is about a week early (I am usually very regular). My question is,

could this be from the ACE? I have only been taking 1/4 cap a day to

acclimate myself. I am a little nervous about it, especially since I

just started my son (with autism) on it Saturday. Please help!!

Laurie

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I bought the brand from nutricology and I believe it has no cortisol

in it---just bovine adrenal tissue (300mg). Could this be right?

Laurie

>

> It could. How much cortisol does ACE have in it? My periods

changed for a

> few months as I was ramping up my cortisol until I got the right

dose and

> now it appears they are normal again.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

>

> Hi--

> I am new to the group and started doing research on Armour for

my son

> who is 11 y.o., hypo and has Down syndrome. He just began using

the

> Armour about a month ago. I think that I have thyroid/adrenal

issues

> of my own and just about 4 days ago began taking ACE. I read

about it

> on an Autism-Mercury group that I belong to for my other son who

has

> autism. It was recommended that he try it because of OCD,

anxiety and

> sensory issues. To make a long story short---I just got my

period and

> it is about a week early (I am usually very regular). My

question is,

> could this be from the ACE? I have only been taking 1/4 cap a

day to

> acclimate myself. I am a little nervous about it, especially

since I

> just started my son (with autism) on it Saturday. Please help!!

> Laurie

>

> .

>

>

>

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Whether it is bovine or porcine, if it is the cortex, it has cortisol since

ALL adrenal cortexes have cortisol. The reason you have to know how much is

you can not effectively treat with ACE or any other glandulars without

knowing how much cortisol you are getting and need.

That is why many of us who were on glandulars switched to plain cortisol

instead of the adrenal cortex so we can know for sure how much we are

getting. With glandulars, it is nearly impossible to create a good treatment

program because other than Isocort, many do not tell you how much cortisol

is in each pill and how much of the other things like adrenaline,

aldosterone, etc. that will also be in the supplement.

Cheri

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I bought the brand from nutricology and I believe it has no cortisol

in it---just bovine adrenal tissue (300mg). Could this be right?

Laurie

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OK---now I am totally confused! This is the link to the product

that I am using:

www.nutricology.com/Adrenal-Organic-Glandular-75-Vegetarian-Caps-p-

16417.html

It was recommended for my 9 y.o. son with autism and I decided to

try it first seeing as I did Dr. Rind's matrix and had many adrenal

issues myself. I was just wondering if this could be the reason

that my period came a week early.

Laurie

>

> Nil,

> Extracts contain specific things they extract our of the organ,

like cortex

> from adrenals. However, glandulars contain that and the rest of

the gland.

> So if can see how hormones are in extracts, you can deduce they

are in

> glandulars too since that part of the extract is in the glandular.

>

> I know Dr. 's does because we discussed it when I talked to

him and he

> agreed that glandulars in general contain hormones. They don't

label it

> separately though because you get into the legal aspects of

selling it as a

> supplement versus a drug...the later is FDA regulated. For

example, I

> imagine if Dr. listed how much T3 and T4 were in his

formula (if he

> even knows and it is standardized) that he would have to have it

be a

> prescription only med like Armour is in the US.

>

> I am curious why you think if it contains the organ that it won't

contain

> the hormone? Do you think they somehow strip it out?

>

> Cheri

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

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>

>

> Hi Cheri

>

> I really don't think glandulars contain hormones. Manufacturing

ways are

> different for these two. As I said at my previous note they take

adrenal

> tissue(either only cortex or as whole adrenal) and produce

glandulars.

> Extracts have different manufacturing process. As you might have

noticed,it

> is said `freeze-dried adrenal cortex` on isocort label.And other

extracts

> are kept in some alcohol solution and they are in liquid form.I do

not know

> dr. wilson's product. It may or may not contain hormones. It could

be that

> he had them added but I am sure he must have stated its contents

> somewhere.There may be some products which contain hormones and

glandulars

> together but this must be explained on product decription. I am

talking for

> the products which are called as `glandulars`.

> bw

> Nil

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Yes, it could be because the glandular has adrenal tissue which means it

contains some cortisol, yet doesn't tell you how much. Cortisol at low

levels but not quite where you need it yet can cause your period to be off.

It did for me on Isocort for the first three months until I upped my dose

and switched to HC cream.

300 mg of Bovine adrenal tissue per caplet. " This organic glandular

material is processed by lyophilization of glands derived from

government-inspected, range-fed animals, raised in New Zealand without

hormones or antibiotics. The material is frozen, then subjected to a high

vacuum that vaporizes moisture directly from the solid state, thereby

maintaining its biological activity. "

Well, at least they don't add hormones to the feed or antibiotics, lol.

Notice the FDA disclaimer? That is a requirement to sell as a supplement and

not a drug.

Cheri

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OK---now I am totally confused! This is the link to the product

that I am using:

www.nutricology.com/Adrenal-Organic-Glandular-75-Vegetarian-Caps-p-

16417.html

It was recommended for my 9 y.o. son with autism and I decided to

try it first seeing as I did Dr. Rind's matrix and had many adrenal

issues myself. I was just wondering if this could be the reason

that my period came a week early.

Laurie

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Hi Cheri

I am thinking manufacturing process for hormones is different and it will be

difficult to save hormones effectively while producing glandulars. I am thinking

they will be gone/corrupted during glandular manufacturing.They may exist in the

raw material at start of the manufacturing process but they will loose their

original structure/potency during processing.

It is said on isocort label that product is made from freeze-dried adrenal

cortex. This must be special processing to keep hormones alive. If that was not

needed they would not do this.

I also have used various glandulars and did not notice any significant

additional cortisol effect in addition to my isocort.one glandular that I did

not work well for me was Adrenal by Pure Encapsulations. It made me wired and I

later learned that it was made of whole adrenal and probably contained a bit of

adrenaline which I am allergic to. How much was that `bit`? we don't know

probably because of the reasons you explained.my be some tiny amount of hormones

pass through this glandular tablet or capsule processing but the amount may not

be significant.I am also thinking if Dr. 's glandulars contained

significant amounts of t3 or t4 to effect patients therapy,and he kept this

secret this would not be ethical. I really don't think anyone who has a bit of

concept of responsibility would do that. I don't know if I am wrong thinking

that way.

My thoughts:)

best wishes

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Nil,

Extracts contain specific things they extract our of the organ, like cortex

from adrenals. However, glandulars contain that and the rest of the gland.

So if can see how hormones are in extracts, you can deduce they are in

glandulars too since that part of the extract is in the glandular.

I know Dr. 's does because we discussed it when I talked to him and he

agreed that glandulars in general contain hormones. They don't label it

separately though because you get into the legal aspects of selling it as a

supplement versus a drug...the later is FDA regulated. For example, I

imagine if Dr. listed how much T3 and T4 were in his formula (if he

even knows and it is standardized) that he would have to have it be a

prescription only med like Armour is in the US.

I am curious why you think if it contains the organ that it won't contain

the hormone? Do you think they somehow strip it out?

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Well, Nil, I just wrote to Dr. so I will post what he says when I

hear back. :) If they don't have significant amounts, I might add some back

in with my HC to see if I get an added effect. I really don't know enough

about how they process glandulars other then what I have seen on med TV

shows and from seeing animals butchered on farms, lol. I would think they

would list " no hormones " for any product that doesn't have them but who

knows.

Cheri

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Hi Cheri

I am thinking manufacturing process for hormones is different and it will

be difficult to save hormones effectively while producing glandulars. I am

thinking they will be gone/corrupted during glandular manufacturing.They may

exist in the raw material at start of the manufacturing process but they

will loose their original structure/potency during processing.

My thoughts:)

best wishes

Nil

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Will be glad to hear what he says.This may solve the puzzle for us.

bw

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Well, Nil, I just wrote to Dr. so I will post what he says when I

hear back. :) If they don't have significant amounts, I might add some back

in with my HC to see if I get an added effect. I really don't know enough

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Well, it will solve it about HIS formula anyway, lol. He does say his is

processed without hormones, unlike other ones that don't label. But yes, I

want to know because I was on his formula and would consider adding some

back in for the DNA & RNA stuff.

Cheri

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Will be glad to hear what he says.This may solve the puzzle for us.

bw

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I think I read on another thread that Isocort will cause reflux to

flare up if you have problems with reflux. Would you agree? Are

there other things you can use in place of HC or Isocort that don't

make reflux worse?

:)

Tina

>

> Yes, it could be because the glandular has adrenal tissue which

means it

> contains some cortisol, yet doesn't tell you how much. Cortisol at

low

> levels but not quite where you need it yet can cause your period to

be off.

> It did for me on Isocort for the first three months until I upped

my dose

> and switched to HC cream.

>

> 300 mg of Bovine adrenal tissue per caplet. " This organic glandular

> material is processed by lyophilization of glands derived from

> government-inspected, range-fed animals, raised in New Zealand

without

> hormones or antibiotics. The material is frozen, then subjected to

a high

> vacuum that vaporizes moisture directly from the solid state,

thereby

> maintaining its biological activity. "

>

> Well, at least they don't add hormones to the feed or antibiotics,

lol.

> Notice the FDA disclaimer? That is a requirement to sell as a

supplement and

> not a drug.

>

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

>

> OK---now I am totally confused! This is the link to the product

> that I am using:

>

> www.nutricology.com/Adrenal-Organic-Glandular-75-Vegetarian-Caps-

p-

> 16417.html

>

> It was recommended for my 9 y.o. son with autism and I decided to

> try it first seeing as I did Dr. Rind's matrix and had many

adrenal

> issues myself. I was just wondering if this could be the reason

> that my period came a week early.

> Laurie

>

> .

>

>

>

>

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Tina Chapek wrote:

> I think I read on another thread that Isocort will cause reflux to

> flare up if you have problems with reflux. Would you agree? Are

> there other things you can use in place of HC or Isocort that don't

> make reflux worse?

>

It depends on the individual and the state of their adrenals. For many

of us, the answer is NO there is NO substitute for HC that is remotely

adequate. So some of us with reflux or GI problems use HC cream. Some on

Isocort are not in such bad states, and might be able to use

alternatives, but I'd bet not very many.

sol

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