Re: Need suggestions..cannot handle Armour anymore

[Guest guest]

Hi, sossityb -

There can be many reasons why you are not tolerating Armour. You myhave low

ferritin, or need adrenal support. Read at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

especially adrenal-info and see if a myriad of things don't pop out at you.

Need suggestions..cannot handle Armour anymore

I've tried it for over about 2 weeks now and just can't do it anymore.

I feel like absolute crap on this stuff! I jumped in with the full 1

grain dose that I was prescribed and that was a rough couple of days. I

then learned on this site to back off, which I have done, but I still

feel so horrible. I started with 1/4 of a grain and I guess that was

bearable but not great. Started other things at the same time so I

thought problems might have been from that but the more I read, the

more I'm sure it's just the Armour.

I'm now taking 1/4 in a.m. and 1/4 in afternoon and feel miserable. I'm

foggy-headed, feel very spacey, tired, headachey and just plain icky.

Should I try something else?? Is it possible and worthwhile to try and

even smaller dose? I'm so looking forward to tomorrow when I don't take ANY! I

need a good day!

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I will definitely do that. I'm just so frustrated right now.

I need to stay focused and positive though so I definitely appreciate

the help.

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I will definitely do that. I'm just so frustrated right now.

I need to stay focused and positive though so I definitely appreciate

the help.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help. I started everything basically about the same

time,..I'm thinking it's been about 2 weeks.

Here is what I'm on right now:

DIM (decrease estrogens) 4/day

Adrenal Support supplement 3/day

Adaptogen 3/day

EFA oils 6/day

Coral Calcium 3/day

Armour

Cymbalta (for about 2 years for anxiety)

Labs:

Cortisol DHEA 8 (3-10)

AM 9 (13-24) Testosterone 19 (8-20)

Noon 3 (5-10) Estrone >100 (30-58)

PM 3 (3-8) Estradiol 20 (7-20)

Midn. 2 (1-4) Estriol 58 (12-25)

Progesterone 601 (65-500) I had been taking oral prog. 2 months prior

so may have had some impact

SIgA 5 (25-60) still not sure what this really means

Intolerance to soy and milk

I'm new to all of this so I haven't done anything else. I've only

seen this doc twice and haven't been on the site too long. I am not

temping or anything else. I was hoping to give this doc a good ol'

try, stick w/ it all full force for a why and keep my fingers crossed

that something gives. Fat chance?

I REALLY do appreciate your help. As many are I'm sure...I am lost!

> How much adrenal support areyou taking, can you send in your saliva

labs you had done, how lng on adrenal support? Temp graphing? Does

your BP rise form sitting to standing?

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help. I started everything basically about the same

time,..I'm thinking it's been about 2 weeks.

Here is what I'm on right now:

DIM (decrease estrogens) 4/day

Adrenal Support supplement 3/day

Adaptogen 3/day

EFA oils 6/day

Coral Calcium 3/day

Armour

Cymbalta (for about 2 years for anxiety)

Labs:

Cortisol DHEA 8 (3-10)

AM 9 (13-24) Testosterone 19 (8-20)

Noon 3 (5-10) Estrone >100 (30-58)

PM 3 (3-8) Estradiol 20 (7-20)

Midn. 2 (1-4) Estriol 58 (12-25)

Progesterone 601 (65-500) I had been taking oral prog. 2 months prior

so may have had some impact

SIgA 5 (25-60) still not sure what this really means

Intolerance to soy and milk

I'm new to all of this so I haven't done anything else. I've only

seen this doc twice and haven't been on the site too long. I am not

temping or anything else. I was hoping to give this doc a good ol'

try, stick w/ it all full force for a why and keep my fingers crossed

that something gives. Fat chance?

I REALLY do appreciate your help. As many are I'm sure...I am lost!

> How much adrenal support areyou taking, can you send in your saliva

labs you had done, how lng on adrenal support? Temp graphing? Does

your BP rise form sitting to standing?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...labs looked nice and pretty when I typed them but posted they

are very jumbled. See if this might be better>

Labs:

Cortisol

AM 9 (13-24)

Noon 3 (5-10)

PM 3 (3-8)

Midn. 2 (1-4) )

Estrone >100 (30-58)

Estradiol 20 (7-20)

Estriol 58 (12-25)

DHEA 8 (3-100

Testosterone 19 (8-20)

Progesterone 601 (65-500)

I had been taking oral prog. 2 months prior

> so may have had some impact

>

> SIgA 5 (25-60) still not sure what this really means

> Intolerance to soy and milk

>

> I'm new to all of this so I haven't done anything else. I've only

> seen this doc twice and haven't been on the site too long. I am not

> temping or anything else. I was hoping to give this doc a good ol'

> try, stick w/ it all full force for a why and keep my fingers

crossed

> that something gives. Fat chance?

>

> I REALLY do appreciate your help. As many are I'm sure...I am lost!

>

>

> > How much adrenal support areyou taking, can you send in your

saliva

> labs you had done, how lng on adrenal support? Temp graphing? Does

> your BP rise form sitting to standing?

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Val, I think you suggested the hc to me when I first posted what this

doc was going to put me on. So..the hc will lower the estrogen and

increase cortisol? Any other suggestions you would have for me at this

point? Should I just drop the armour for now or somehow try a 1/8

grain??

[Guest guest]

I posted my test results in another post in this thread. I don't have

the ferritin testing though. I haven't taken Armour today and I feel

back to my old self. So, I'm pretty darn sure it's the culprit. I'll

continue w/ the other supplements through tomorrow morning, skip

Armour tomorrow as well then I'll know for sure. If Armour is the

culprit, I guess I'll try a very small dosage.

>

> Started other things at the same time so I

> > thought problems might have been from that but the more I read,

the

> > more I'm sure it's just the Armour.

> >

> >

> What else are you taking?

> This is why its recommended to never try too many different things

at

> once. Whenever Im given something new, I will skip everything else

and

> only take that, and give myself at least twelve hours to see how it

> does. Well, aside from the thyroid med I have to take daily.

>

> Try, not taking the Armour for a day and see how you do.

> If you still feel the same, then try not taking the other things

for

> the next day. This way you can tell what is causing this.

>

> Yes, you should look into adrenal testing and ferritan levels.

These

> being low would make for a yucky reaction too armour.

>

> Also, consider where you are at with your menstrual cycle if

anywhere,

> this can interfere with feelings of 'yuckiness' as all women know

of.

>

> Good Luck

>

>

[Guest guest]

I owuld stop the Amrou if oyu are having reacitons to it then get oyur

adrneals in better shape before trying it agina It may tkae a few weeks

ot get some cortiosl reservebuilt u where you cna tolerat thyroi meds.

Have oyu had Ferritin tested?

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

You suggested I add hc. That's what I was asking about. Any articles

about it's effectiveness, etc.. I've seen a ton about it on here but

haven't read any data on it.

Yeah, I plan to surge through old posts tonight to try to get a grip on

things but I tell ya,...that task is pretty daunting. I'm sure you

recall when you were new to all of this. The idea of fumbling through a

bunch of posts trying to figure out where the heck to start feels quite

overwhelming. But,...here I go!

[Guest guest]

I found the search to be helpful even though I did ask a lot of questions

over again due to brain fog. Yes, it all can be overwhelming. The Armour

thing isn't my area of expertise yet as I am still focused on adrenals. I

just recall vague memory of what and others have said which is why

the file search is one of the quickest ways to narrow it down by keyword so

you don't have to troll through so many posts. They know more about that as

people who have experienced it, than I do.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

You suggested I add hc. That's what I was asking about. Any articles

about it's effectiveness, etc.. I've seen a ton about it on here but

haven't read any data on it.

Yeah, I plan to surge through old posts tonight to try to get a grip on

things but I tell ya,...that task is pretty daunting. I'm sure you

recall when you were new to all of this. The idea of fumbling through a

bunch of posts trying to figure out where the heck to start feels quite

overwhelming. But,...here I go!

.

[Guest guest]

Spending hours and hours a day isn't overwhelming?? You must have more

umph in ya, than I! However, I have been digging around in the files

tonight and it has helped me a ton. So, I get that it can be

aggrivating to have a clueless gal like me asking a bunch of very basic

questions but I was truly at a loss. I finally found a good place to

start. It's all great info.

[Guest guest]

I've spent an hour or so tonight on StoptheThyroidMaddness tonight.

What great info! While it's all still very scary to me and

overwhelming, I'm feeling a little better already. At least I have some

idea of a plan now.

I'm seeing the naturopath on Mon. and want to talk to her about this.

See how much she really knows. I need to decide if she is going to

really help me or just get in my way, you know?

I have to say,...it freaked me out to see the info on Stage 5. That

seems to be where I'm at right now. Yikes!!

[Guest guest]

But that is what this list is for! We all had to start someplace and when

the brain fog is bad, sometimes it is easier to ask questions. Plus it just

feels more personal and like you are really connecting with someone else who

will actually understand how you feel. :-) When people direct you to things

it is because some of that stuff is already typed out and organized in an

easy to comprehend format. We are still suffereing from brain fog too, so

sometimes it can be hard for us to communicate specifically in a coherent

fashion. At least it is for me at times. :-)I'm glad it is finally starting

to make sense for you.

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> Spending hours and hours a day isn't overwhelming?? You must have more

> umph in ya, than I! However, I have been digging around in the files

> tonight and it has helped me a ton. So, I get that it can be

> aggrivating to have a clueless gal like me asking a bunch of very basic

> questions but I was truly at a loss. I finally found a good place to

> start. It's all great info.

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, if you have super low cortisol, the addition of HC will make

all the difference in tolerating ANY thyroid med as they can all be

hard on the adrenals without support. Holding off on the Armour

until your adrenals are better supported sounds very sensible. I too

was off Armour for several weeks (taking only HC) before I started

it again. Move at your own pace though, whatever works for you.

I'm only taking 45 mg. (15 mg. 3x a day) but I'm assuming that when

I build up to a grain or more the most I would be taking at one time

would be one grain, 3x a day. I've read somewhere that most people

optimize around 3 grains.

Good luck,

Di

>

> Thanks for your response. When I went to 1/4 grain, it was

> tolerable...I guess...but I still did not feel well. I kept

forgetting

> to try it under my tounge though. So does that mean you take a

regular

> tablet and just let it dissolve under your tounge?

>

> I do think I need to hold off on the Armour though. I'm taking

some

> adrenal support supplements and I'm looking into hc this week.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Cherie for that kind comment - I am utterly discouraged by

my inability to focus (and I used to be intelligent!). If a

prerequisite to this site was hours of reading technical files, I

couldn't be here. thanks again.

>

> But that is what this list is for! We all had to start someplace and

when

> the brain fog is bad, sometimes it is easier to ask questions. Plus

it just

> feels more personal and like you are really connecting with someone

else who

> will actually understand how you feel. :-) When people direct you to

things

> it is because some of that stuff is already typed out and organized

in an

> easy to comprehend format. We are still suffereing from brain fog

too, so

> sometimes it can be hard for us to communicate specifically in a

coherent

> fashion. At least it is for me at times. :-)I'm glad it is finally

starting

> to make sense for you.

>

> Cherie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> >

> > Spending hours and hours a day isn't overwhelming?? You must have more

> > umph in ya, than I! However, I have been digging around in the files

> > tonight and it has helped me a ton. So, I get that it can be

> > aggrivating to have a clueless gal like me asking a bunch of very

basic

> > questions but I was truly at a loss. I finally found a good place to

> > start. It's all great info.

> >

>

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