Mid-back killing means need more HC

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I thought that that was probably what that pain meant. I've had it

pretty much constantly since my vit D adventure and it's especially

fierce today after I tried to increase yesterday and didn't sleep past

3AM. Temps were good for three days and BPs have been rising

consistently, and I can't take the fatigue and depression so I raised.

Guess not. So if DH was in the same shape right now, you would give

him a squirt of cream = 5mg of HC?

> Your mid-back area where the adrenals are shouldn't hurt, that means

> you need more HC. And finally, get periodic bloodwork done to see

> where your TSH, FT3, and FT4 are.

>

> Just my two cents.

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I'd give him a squirt, but one squirt = 2.5 You have any other

symptoms? Anxiety, nausea, internal tremors? That's what I always

ask him. Mostly his symptom is anxiety, and one squirt takes care of

it.

Barb

" jasrich " wrote:

>

> I thought that that was probably what that pain meant. I've had it

> pretty much constantly since my vit D adventure and it's especially

> fierce today after I tried to increase yesterday and didn't sleep

past

> 3AM. Temps were good for three days and BPs have been rising

> consistently, and I can't take the fatigue and depression so I

raised.

> Guess not. So if DH was in the same shape right now, you would

give

> him a squirt of cream = 5mg of HC?

>

>

>

>

> > Your mid-back area where the adrenals are shouldn't hurt, that

means

> > you need more HC. And finally, get periodic bloodwork done to

see

> > where your TSH, FT3, and FT4 are.

> >

> > Just my two cents.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hard to separate out the anxiety from the over-all sense of

depression, so it's nothing acute right now. Last night at 3AM,

however, I was more anxious, mind spinning, stomach growling, and

sweaty which is what finally got me out of bed to eat. I didn't take

HC with the food at that time b/c I didn't know if it was a good idea

to do so after taking the pred, even though I had taken that at 8AM -

long half-life and all. 45 minutes later when I still couldn't get

back to sleep, I took a pellet of Isocort that I still have in our

master bathroom but, as and your DH have found, once we're awakened by

low cortisol/hypogly, it doesn't seem to matter whether we take HC at

that point, at least with re: to falling back to sleep, b/c the night

is ruined.

So you stress-dose him with only 2.5mg? That's how I've stress-dosed

before and I've wondered whether it is ever enough. On Real Thyroid

they always talk about 5mg or more.

I'll confess also that I tried to increase 1/4 yesterday. I had

already added the 1/8 to the morning dose before I read your advice

about adding the 1/8 to the bed-time dose and it made sense so I took

an extra 1/8 at bed-time too and was going to drop the 1/8 this

morning, watch temps for two days like you've been doing for DH and

add the morning back in. I also skipped the big bed-time snack of

apple and nut butter in favor of just a piece of cheese earlier b/c my

stomach had been upset since before dinner and had finally quieted

down and I wanted to go to bed with a relatively quiet GI which is

rare for me. I got my wish and slept heavily until 3AM when I woke up

parched and having to urinate badly (so much for drinking salt water

before bed helping prevent that).

I just took a 20 minute nap on my office floor for lunch and to rest

my back which aches when I sit. I know, I'm a hard case. My wife is

in GA helping with the Obama campaign, but, even if she was here,

she's not watching me like you watch you DH. Hopefully he knows how

lucky he is to have you helping him through this. I don't know

whether to stress-dose or not, or whether it will help with the

back-pain - I doubt it. I am a little nauseous on and off, but I have

noticed that to be the case since beginning the pred, along with a

general appetite suppressing effect.

>

> Yes, I'd give him a squirt, but one squirt = 2.5 You have any other

> symptoms? Anxiety, nausea, internal tremors? That's what I always

> ask him. Mostly his symptom is anxiety, and one squirt takes care of

> it.

>

> Barb

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" jasrich " wrote:

> So you stress-dose him with only 2.5mg? That's how I've stress-

dosed

> before and I've wondered whether it is ever enough. On Real Thyroid

> they always talk about 5mg or more.

I'm of the " start low and go slow camp. " If it's not enough, you can

always add more. But if it's too much, you can't take it back.

> I'll confess also that I tried to increase 1/4 yesterday.

Surely you know by now that you can only tolerate 1/8 split by

several days.

> I also skipped the big bed-time snack of

> apple and nut butter in favor of just a piece of cheese earlier

Currently reading The Schwarzbein Principle II by Schwarzbein,

an endocrinologist, and find it fascinating. She says many of today's

endocrine disorders were induced by the crazy American lifestyle of

today: too little sleep, too much stress, too much processed food,

too much dieting causing your hormones to go crazy, etc. There is

nothing worse than dieting to break a person's metabolism.

Anyway, she recommended tryptophan-rich foods to help with serotonin

levels and sleep: almonds, cottage cheese, oatmeal, peanut butter,

shellfish, tuna, and turkey. So maybe instead of cheese, you should

try cottage cheese? Or any combination of the above?

> she's not watching me like you watch you DH. Hopefully he knows how

> lucky he is to have you helping him through this.

Well, my motives aren't completely altruistic. DH's got the job and

medical insurance that will hopefully get us through this!

> I don't know whether to stress-dose or not, or whether it will help

with the back-pain - I doubt it. I am a little nauseous on and off,

but I have noticed that to be the case since beginning the pred,

along with a general appetite suppressing effect.

I was thinking the appetite suppression is the pred actually giving

you enough cortisol to stop the hypoglycemia. Your temps and rising

BP say you're on enough HC, which is why I'd only do 2.5 as a test.

Actually, after DH crashed this past weekend, he said his back hurt

so he just rested for two days, mostly reading/snoozing on his

reclining chair. I know you've cut back your work schedule, but

seems like you still need to fit a little more rest into your day.

Naps on your office floor count!

Barb

[Guest guest]

Whew what a relief! I read the subject line, " mid back killing means need more

HC " and my murder mystery-loving mind remembered an earlier discussion about

lack of HC causing irritability and aggressiveness and thought we had our list's

first homicide for a few seconds.

OK. NOW I am awake! )

Hensley <>< 8-)

[Guest guest]

> I'm of the " start low and go slow camp. " If it's not enough, you

> can always add more. But if it's too much, you can't take it back.

I stress-dosed 2.5mg btw my 3PM and 6:30 doses when I started getting

real dizzy and clearly in need of it. It definitely helped although

5mg probably would have helped more.

>

> > I'll confess also that I tried to increase 1/4 yesterday.

>

> Surely you know by now that you can only tolerate 1/8 split by

> several days.

Well, I was able to go up by 1/4 once w/out a problem before I had the

root-canal, and I didn't really mean to hold the 1/4 if I couldn't

manage it I just wanted to change the timing. It obviously didn't

work out.

>

> Anyway, she recommended tryptophan-rich foods to help with serotonin

> levels and sleep: almonds, cottage cheese, oatmeal, peanut butter,

> shellfish, tuna, and turkey. So maybe instead of cheese, you should

> try cottage cheese? Or any combination of the above?

I've got the almond and sunflower butters that I alternate between.

I've been staying away from the peanut stuff b/c they're goitrogens.

I bought some steel-rolled oatmeal at the healthfood store yesterday

that I intend to make for breakfast. Isn't too carby for night-time

eating? I like cottage cheese, but, like many foods since I began all

of this, now it gives me a lot of trouble like it never had before. I

was lactose intolerant to begin with, but it seems to be worse for

cottage cheese now, but cheese sticks don't give me much trouble.

>

> Well, my motives aren't completely altruistic. DH's got the job and

> medical insurance that will hopefully get us through this!

We've both got good insurance but the way I'm headed I might need to

be on hers soon.

>

> I was thinking the appetite suppression is the pred actually giving

> you enough cortisol to stop the hypoglycemia. Your temps and rising

> BP say you're on enough HC, which is why I'd only do 2.5 as a test.

Every time I think that I'm on enough HC, I find out that I'm not. I

welcome the appetite suppressing effect somewhat because I hate the

starving/hypoglycemic effect of HC, but I've lost as much weight as I

ever wanted to so I need to make myself eat.

After reviewing my ALCAT food sensitivity report, I have a lot more

foods that I can't eat that make it almost impossible for me to feed

myself. The most notable is pork which is one of my favorite foods

but, more importantly, Armour is made of it so I don't know how to

avoid it. I'm going to talk to my doctor about it tomorrow.

> Actually, after DH crashed this past weekend, he said his back hurt

> so he just rested for two days, mostly reading/snoozing on his

> reclining chair. I know you've cut back your work schedule, but

> seems like you still need to fit a little more rest into your day.

> Naps on your office floor count!

My back, ribs, and hips but especially the back, left and right of the

middle where the adrenals are. I know that if I tell my docs that my

adrenals hurt they'll say that that isn't possible, but with so many

of us experiencing the same thing there doesn't seem to be much doubt.

[Guest guest]

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Oatmeal is too carby, period.

sol

jasrich wrote:

> I bought some steel-rolled oatmeal at the healthfood store yesterday

> that I intend to make for breakfast. Isn't too carby for night-time

> eating?