Re: supporting with hc only

[Guest guest]

I wanted to ask about that. Getting closer to optimized on Armour

helped resolve your hypogly and other food issues? I'm at 2 grains

and doing better with GI lately, but mostly, I think, b/c I found that

the enzymes I was taking were too strong and/or not agreeing with me.

How did you know that you were improving - not hungry as often,

better sleeping?

> > Only after

> > I lowered my thyroid from 1.5 grain to .5 grain did I develop severe

> > hypoglycemia and other low cortisol symptoms. So it was like my

> > adrenals down-regulated themselves to match my low thyroid levels.

> > As I brought my thyroid dosage slowly back up, the hypoglycemia went

> > away, like my adrenals were coming back up.

> >

> Barb,

> Hi, it sounds to me like you caught the lowering cortisol in time to

> fix the adrenal stress quickly. Good for you!

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, to both. I practiced strict Rosedale/Bernstein high-fat, low-

carb from summer until Thanksgiving. I think doing that helped heal

whatever was broken. I traditionally bring the pecan pie and since I

made it, certainly wanted to taste it. So I did, and didn't spazz

out with a hypoglycemic attack after dinner. Course I'd taken a

chromium and gymnema sylvestre before dinner, so that helped too. So

after Thanksgiving, I really eased up, testing the waters and found I

could eat bananas again, I could go 4-5 hours between meals, and I

could sleep through the night. Before, it was like we were having a

party in our kitchen every morning about 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. when DH

and I were both pretty bad. I'll even confess to having some Girl

Scout Thin Mints last week, my annual weakness. That would've given

me an attack last year.

Barb

" jasrich " wrote:

> How did you know that you were improving - not hungry as often,

> better sleeping?

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Only after

> > > I lowered my thyroid from 1.5 grain to .5 grain did I develop

severe

> > > hypoglycemia and other low cortisol symptoms. So it was like

my

> > > adrenals down-regulated themselves to match my low thyroid

levels.

> > > As I brought my thyroid dosage slowly back up, the hypoglycemia

went

> > > away, like my adrenals were coming back up.

> > >

> > Barb,

> > Hi, it sounds to me like you caught the lowering cortisol in

time to

> > fix the adrenal stress quickly. Good for you!

> > sol

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've been taking the 200 of chromium with meals that have a good

amount of bad carbs in them like potatoes, rice, big bowl of quinoa,

etc. You take it before you eat. How long or just right before? Do

you think that the gymnema sylvestre is helping a lot?

I moved my dose of pred back to 8PM last night and kept the bed-time

dose the same although I used a little more than the .21g of cream. I

woke up at 3AM as usual, fell back to sleep immediately and then woke

up at 5:30 sweating again. This time I didn't get up to eat or take

HC and I sort of fell back to sleep, dozing and waking every 20

minutes or so until I had to get up at 7:15 - late. I'm not feeling

particularly rested, but a little better than yesterday. I don't know

whether not being able to get up in the mornings is because the pred

is messing up my morning rise of cortisol, or I'm just not refreshed

from bad sleep and/or the continuing effects of my Klonopin although

Klono never narced me out so bad before. I have lost 17 pounds so

maybe the same dose of Klono is hitting me harder.

Whatever the case, I don't know what else to make of waking up

sweating like that other than that something wore off. I'm also

pretty sure that I can feel the pred kick in within an hour of taking

it with stomach upset and then feeling calm and tired like I just took

20mg of HC. I'm tempted to move the dose even later and to drop the

bed-time dose of HC one night. Or, and I need advice from Val on

this, try dropping the pred altogether for a few nights b/c I don't

think that it has helped me much and if I need to try florinef I'll be

trying to balanace three steroids and Armour I'm barely up to dealing

with two.

What do you think?

>

> Yes, to both. I practiced strict Rosedale/Bernstein high-fat, low-

> carb from summer until Thanksgiving. I think doing that helped heal

> whatever was broken. I traditionally bring the pecan pie and since I

> made it, certainly wanted to taste it. So I did, and didn't spazz

> out with a hypoglycemic attack after dinner. Course I'd taken a

> chromium and gymnema sylvestre before dinner, so that helped too. So

> after Thanksgiving, I really eased up, testing the waters and found I

> could eat bananas again, I could go 4-5 hours between meals, and I

> could sleep through the night. Before, it was like we were having a

> party in our kitchen every morning about 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. when DH

> and I were both pretty bad. I'll even confess to having some Girl

> Scout Thin Mints last week, my annual weakness. That would've given

> me an attack last year.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

" jasrich " wrote:

>

> I've been taking the 200 of chromium with meals that have a good

> amount of bad carbs in them like potatoes, rice, big bowl of quinoa,

> etc. You take it before you eat. How long or just right before? Do

> you think that the gymnema sylvestre is helping a lot?

I take the chromium about 5 minutes before. When everything's about

done cooking and I start setting the table. There is no way to know

if gymnema helps or is placebo. I have no labs to go by; my healing

could be from chromium, from following Rosedale eating guidelines, or

just having raised thyroid. But I figured it couldn't hurt, so took

it. You, on the other hand, may get MORE stomach upset from it.

My current bottle will run out next month and I plan on discontinuing

then. I will then have taken 1/day for 6 months. It's supposed to

help regenerate beta cells in your pancreas, and I'm hoping if there

was damage, it's healed by now. I will take chromium for life, since

it's cheap, and Dr. Shames recommended chromium and B5 for life if

you have adrenal/thyroid problems.

I don't know

> whether not being able to get up in the mornings is because the pred

> is messing up my morning rise of cortisol

My theory is the above. Why would it rise when there's still so much

there? Seems like it's put your body into night-owl syndrome.

Someone who stays up till 3 a.m., then their cortisol finally lowers

and they get tired, they sleep all morning, and their cortisol

finally rises around noon. That's why I suggested cutting the pred

dose and taking it later.

> Whatever the case, I don't know what else to make of waking up

> sweating like that other than that something wore off. I'm also

> pretty sure that I can feel the pred kick in within an hour of

taking

> it with stomach upset and then feeling calm and tired like I just

took

> 20mg of HC. I'm tempted to move the dose even later and to drop the

> bed-time dose of HC one night.

This sounds like you should only take it an hour before. But isn't

that how you initially started dosing? With only pred and no HC?

Then you'll have come full circle and STILL have sleep problems! So

then you're right, you might just drop it altogether. I'd try playing

with the time and dose at night before dropping it though, just to

give it a fair shot. After that, you can say you tried everything.

Barb