Re: Progesterone mucking things up?! Bump

[Guest guest]

>

> Back in January, I posted my saliva results here and was told by

Val

> that I " could also use progesterone from the looks of things

> and might benefit from testosterone if youhave a docotr that will

> prescribe it for you. "

>

> Well, I just saw my nurse practitioner last Thursday and she

> prescribed testosterone for me. I got a little leary of starting

it,

> though, because of some of the possible side effects; so I bought

> some progesterone cream and started using it Friday.

>

> I am experiencing a return of some hypoT symptoms that were pretty

> much gone (stiff, sore muscles and sore feet mostly) and was

reminded

> on a different forum that estrogen binds thyroid so if the

> progesterone I am using is converting to estrogen, that could by

> mucking up things as I am trying to switch from levo (200mcg, now

at

> 100mcg) to Armour (started at 1 grain, now at 1-3/4 grains). I know

> there is a suggested protocol for treating issues and that treating

> the sex hormones are further down the list than the thyroid, but

> being that I am in surgical menopause v. natural menopause, my sex

> hormones are a bit of a priority for me....not ABOVE thryoid, but

> maybe EQUAL TO.

>

> I am at a loss as to what to do...I was thinking that I should give

> the progesterone cream at least 4-6 weeks to have a clear

indication

> as to its efficacy, but now that I am miserably achy and stiff, I

> don't really know WHAT to do!! Should I stop the P cream? Should I

> add the testosterone cream my np prescribed? Should I do the T

cream

> only? Should I just stop both sex hrts (I refuse to stop my

estrogen

> patch...it is the only thing that can quell the nasty hot flashes I

> was getting!!)? Could someone please help me with some ideas?!?!?

>

> Here are my saliva results again, just in case you need them to be

> able to answer fully:

>

> Free Cortisol Rhythm

> 7:00-8:00am 26 Elevated 13-24nM

> 11:00-Noon 6 Normal 5-10nM

> 4:00-5:00pm 4 Normal 3-8nM

> 11:00-Midnight 2 Normal 1-4nM

>

> Cortisol Burden 38 23-42

>

> DHEA 7 Normal Adults (M/F):3-10ng/ml

>

> fTSH 60 Normal

> fT4 0.17 Normal

> fT3 0.49 Normal

> TPO Neg Normal:Negative

>

> Estradiol 10 HRT Target Range:5-13 (I use the Vivelle dot)

> Progesterone 77 HRT Target Range:100-300

> Free Testosterone 7 Borderline Low Normal:8-20

>

> Sorry this is so long...I really am at a loss!

> K

>

[Guest guest]

FIRST it is HIGHLY unlikely that progesterone is converting to estrogen.

Is your DHEA high? It has to go through conversion to DHEA to be

converted to estrogen. It is a whole lot more likley that in your

converting process of T4 to Armour you just SIMPLY went more

hypothyroid. 200MG is ALOT of T4. Proabbyl equivalent to 3+ grains of

Armour. If you are takking progesterone and your estrogen is low you are

further unbalancing things. our estrogen also looks low to me for being

on HRT and your testosterone is in the dirt and may well give you some

better energy and HELP the htyroid work better to improve metabolism. I

really wish people that do nto understand the adrenal hormones

conversions woudl stop giving bad advice. Progesterine is usually very

helpful IF IYOU NEED it with thyroid treatment. But i think the fact

that you are on an overall lower dose of thyroid meds NO ONE has even

looked at.

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[Guest guest]

>>If you are takking progesterone and your estrogen is low you are

further unbalancing things. our estrogen also looks low to me for being

on HRT and your testosterone is in the dirt and may well give you some

better energy and HELP the htyroid work better to improve

metabolism...Progesterine is usually very helpful IF IYOU NEED it with

thyroid treatment. But i think the fact that you are on an overall

lower dose of thyroid meds NO ONE has even looked at.<<

Val, Thanks SO MUCH for replying!! I am sorry to be such a pest about

all this...I am really confused. Can you please explain to me what you

would do if you were me? Get Armour up to 3+ grains, then work on sex

hrt? Keep going with sex HRT, but add testosterone? Add more estrogen?

My DHEA 7 (Normal): Adults (M/F):3-10ng/ml on my saliva testing in

January and 195 in my blood testing (was told it was in Normal range

before I knew I should GET the range!) Dec. Do those numbers look ok?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Your DHEA is fine, I would start a low dose testosterone and possibly

increase your estrogen a tiny bit wile continuing wiht progesterone.,

Theh slowly built the thyroid up and expect to feel more energy as the

hypo is corrected. Onc your temps are stable at 98.6 then you can retest

the sex hormones ot see what needs tweaking there but you should be more

than half way there by then.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

[Guest guest]

>>I would start a low dose testosterone and possibly increase your

estrogen a tiny bit wile continuing wiht progesterone., Theh slowly

built the thyroid up and expect to feel more energy as the hypo is

corrected. Onc your temps are stable at 98.6 then you can retest the

sex hormones ot see what needs tweaking there but you should be more

than half way there by then.<<

THANK YOU SO MUCH, VAL!!!!

I am going to start the testosterone today (which is what my gut said,

too) and make myself keep a journal to track my progress.

Thanks again!