Re: feedback/t3 schedule / TIBC question

[Guest guest]

I didn't understand this answer. I thought that the higher the TIBC, the

greater the iron deficiency:

" TIBC - High. The liver produces more transferrin, presumably attempting to

maximize use of the little iron that is available. "

from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_iron_binding_capacity

And that as healthier, higher iron levels were reached, the TIBC would move

toward the lower end of the range.

?

> > > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

> > > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > > ferritin 158 (10-232)

> > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

> > > Ferritin 3/8/2010

> > > 65

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Margery,

" I didn't understand this answer. I thought that the higher the TIBC, the

greater the iron deficiency:

" TIBC - High. The liver produces more transferrin, presumably attempting to

maximize use of the little iron that is available. "

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_iron_binding_capacity

And that as healthier, higher iron levels were reached, the TIBC would move

toward the lower end of the range. "

Right. But her TIBC is only 37% in range. In other words it's pretty low in

range. Certainly NOT HIGH?

Lethal Lee

>

>

> >

> > HI Suzzanne & Val,

> >

> > I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

> >

> > > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > > iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

> > > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > > ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

> > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

> > > Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

> >

> > Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict

protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC,

Inflammatory markers)

> >

> > A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low

capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.

> >

> > A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are

FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually

25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.

> >

> > Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be

some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However

there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP &

Homocysteine at the SAME time.

> >

> > Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel

is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test,

no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or

drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

> >

> > Were these protocols followed?

> >

> > The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring this

up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal oil

(I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to

replentish.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

I have learned alot about iron panels in the last year. Lee do you

remeber a coupel years ago when my ferritin was 159 and you suggested

donating blood a it was too high? Here is my current iron panel done the

beginning of this month, and i will use it as an example of PERFECT iron

levels:

Vitamin B12 1094 High pg/mL 211-946 01

Iron Saturation 36 % 15-55 01

UIBC 165 ug/dL 150-375 01

Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 259 ug/dL 250-450 01

Ferritin, Serum 90 ng/mL 13-150 01

IN the last year I have learned that for HYPOTHYROID people the ferritin

is the LASTS hting we shoud be looking at as MOST of us it will be

falsely elevated due to the inflammation caused by hypo. Mine certainly

was as there is no other reason mine came down from 159 to 90 excepot I

am not hypo now. Dr Holtorf says that % sat shoudl be at LEAST 35% and

not more thna 45%. When that is accomplished, TIBC will be VERY low but

not under range. Where MINE is. TIBC and UIBC shoudl be in agreement.

BOTH low in range. VERY lwo in range. While you look at iron panels from

the HIGH iron standpoitn I look at them from the Hypothyroid LOW iron

standpoint and there is a GREAT differnce iopf opinion betwen the two

standpoints. As folks here and particularly this woman's labs that

started this discussin are struggling to get iron UP we ned to use the

hypo low iron standpoitn as a guage. A little HIGH for her, is a good

thing, a little low, even a TAD low is not.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Hi Margery,

>

> " I didn't understand this answer. I thought that the higher the TIBC, the

greater the iron deficiency:

> " TIBC - High. The liver produces more transferrin, presumably attempting to

maximize use of the little iron that is available. "

> from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_iron_binding_capacity

>

> And that as healthier, higher iron levels were reached, the TIBC would move

toward the lower end of the range. "

>

> Right. But her TIBC is only 37% in range. In other words it's pretty low in

range. Certainly NOT HIGH?

>

> Lethal Lee

>

>>

>>

>>> HI Suzzanne & Val,

>>>

>>> I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

>>>

>>>

>>>> total iron 101 (40-175)

>>>> iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

>>>> % sat. 31 (15-50)

>>>> ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

>>>> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

>>>> Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

>>>>

>>> Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict

protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC,

Inflammatory markers)

>>>

>>> A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low

capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.

>>>

>>> A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are

FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually

25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.

>>>

>>> Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be

some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However

there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP &

Homocysteine at the SAME time.

>>>

>>> Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel

is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test,

no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or

drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

>>>

>>> Were these protocols followed?

>>>

>>> The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring this

up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal oil

(I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to

replentish.

>>>

>>> Lethal Lee

>>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your answer, Lee. I'm sorry I didn't ask my question quite right.

I didn't mean a TIBC of 325 was high (as in " out of range " high), but highER

than ideal for thyroid utilization.

I understand that lab ranges are based on sick people (possibly many of them

anemic), so I didn't feel confident that the lab's range is a good guideline for

" healthy " levels as opposed to " average " levels.

I am particularly interested in this, as my own TIBC is 368. I understand this

level to mean that iron supplements would be helpful, raising iron to levels

better for thyroid function, and lowering TIBC.

> > >

> > > HI Suzzanne & Val,

> > >

> > > I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

> > >

> > > > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > > > iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

> > > > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > > > ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

> > > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

> > > > Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

> > >

> > > Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict

protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC,

Inflammatory markers)

> > >

> > > A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low

capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.

> > >

> > > A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are

FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually

25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.

> > >

> > > Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be

some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However

there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP &

Homocysteine at the SAME time.

> > >

> > > Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel

is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test,

no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or

drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

> > >

> > > Were these protocols followed?

> > >

> > > The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring

this up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal

oil (I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months

to replentish.

> > >

> > > Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Val, do you still have to take supplemental iron to keep your levels so good as

they are now?

Kate in NC

>

> I have learned alot about iron panels in the last year. Lee do you

> remeber a coupel years ago when my ferritin was 159 and you suggested

> donating blood a it was too high? Here is my current iron panel done the

> beginning of this month, and i will use it as an example of PERFECT iron

> levels:

>

>

> Vitamin B12 1094 High pg/mL 211-946 01

> Iron Saturation 36 % 15-55 01

> UIBC 165 ug/dL 150-375 01

> Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 259 ug/dL 250-450 01

> Ferritin, Serum 90 ng/mL 13-150 01

>

> IN the last year I have learned that for HYPOTHYROID people the ferritin

> is the LASTS hting we shoud be looking at as MOST of us it will be

> falsely elevated due to the inflammation caused by hypo. Mine certainly

> was as there is no other reason mine came down from 159 to 90 excepot I

> am not hypo now. Dr Holtorf says that % sat shoudl be at LEAST 35% and

> not more thna 45%. When that is accomplished, TIBC will be VERY low but

> not under range. Where MINE is. TIBC and UIBC shoudl be in agreement.

> BOTH low in range. VERY lwo in range. While you look at iron panels from

[Guest guest]

Ok, all this debating is not really telling ME how much iron I should be taking at this point. I am getting conflicting advice. I am confused and alittle scared. I don't want to cause my body any trouble by taking too much or too little iron. What should I do?

Again here are my labs. They were taking while being 65mg of elemental iron 3x daily for about 12 weeks.(I also tested at 6 weeks at this same dose and it went from the 20's to the 60's-no iron panel at that time) After these labs I have dropped down to two times a day. These labs were ran about a month ago and I have not retested. I don't plan to until I have decided what dose I should be on. I will retest after being on that dose for a while.

I am afraid I stayed at too high a dose for too long. Wouldn't it make sense that if you take great amounts of one mineral, you deplet others?

Please give advice on what amount of iron I should be on.

May 25th

total iron 101 (40-175)

iron binding capcity 325 (250-450)

% sat. 31 (15-50)

ferritin 158 (10-232)

Thanks,S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 3:54:28 AMSubject: Re: Re: feedback/t3 schedule / TIBC question

I have learned alot about iron panels in the last year. Lee do you remeber a coupel years ago when my ferritin was 159 and you suggested donating blood a it was too high? Here is my current iron panel done the beginning of this month, and i will use it as an example of PERFECT iron levels:Vitamin B12 1094 High pg/mL 211-946 01Iron Saturation 36 % 15-55 01UIBC 165 ug/dL 150-375 01Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 259 ug/dL 250-450 01Ferritin, Serum 90 ng/mL 13-150 01IN the last year I have learned that for HYPOTHYROID people the ferritin is the LASTS hting we shoud be looking at as MOST of us it will be falsely elevated due to the inflammation caused by hypo. Mine certainly was as there is no other reason mine came down from 159 to 90 excepot I am not hypo now. Dr Holtorf says that % sat shoudl be at LEAST 35% and not more thna 45%. When that is accomplished, TIBC will be VERY low but not under

range. Where MINE is. TIBC and UIBC shoudl be in agreement. BOTH low in range. VERY lwo in range. While you look at iron panels from the HIGH iron standpoitn I look at them from the Hypothyroid LOW iron standpoint and there is a GREAT differnce iopf opinion betwen the two standpoints. As folks here and particularly this woman's labs that started this discussin are struggling to get iron UP we ned to use the hypo low iron standpoitn as a guage. A little HIGH for her, is a good thing, a little low, even a TAD low is not. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://faqhelp.webs.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/http://artisticgrooming.net/> Hi Margery,>> "I didn't understand this answer. I thought that the

higher the TIBC, the greater the iron deficiency:> "TIBC - High. The liver produces more transferrin, presumably attempting to maximize use of the little iron that is available."> from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_iron_binding_capacity>> And that as healthier, higher iron levels were reached, the TIBC would move toward the lower end of the range.">> Right. But her TIBC is only 37% in range. In other words it's pretty low in range. Certainly NOT HIGH?>> Lethal Lee> >> >> >>> HI Suzzanne & Val,>>>>>> I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.>>>>>> >>>> total iron 101

(40-175)>>>> iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range>>>> % sat. 31 (15-50)>>>> ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high>>>> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low>>>> Ferritin 3/8/2010 65>>>> >>> Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC, Inflammatory markers)>>>>>> A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.>>>>>> A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually 25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.>>>>>> Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be some

inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP & Homocysteine at the SAME time.>>>>>> Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test, no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).>>>>>> Were these protocols followed?>>>>>> The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring this up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal oil (I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to replentish.>>>>>> Lethal Lee>>> >>>>

------------------------------------>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

We can debate all day as to what is " ideal " .

I do want to make a couple of points about assessing Iron status...

1/ If you are going to rely on Iron Panels to assess status you MUST do the

correct protocols. Otherwise Serum Iron & all measurements BASED on Serum Iron

results will NOT be valid. That includes TIBC, UIBC, & Iron Saturation.

The correct protocols are..

a) test early am fasting

NO meds or supps until AFTER blood taken

c) NO Iron supps for minimum 5 days (some sources say 7 days)

d) some sources also say NO Vit C supps for minimum 5 days (some sources say 7

days) as well

e) NO high Iron foods or drinks for at least 3 days (and 5 days is even better)

2/ I am WELL aware that Ferritin can be high due to Iron sequestration (the

body's defense response to inflammation, infection, injury).

I have repeatedly said to assess IF that is the case you need to also test AT

SAME TIME....

a) CBC with differential

ESR

c) Homocysteine

d) CRP

e) Fibrinogen

I am also well aware that IF you have HPA axis issues whether AI, Hypothyroid,

Hypogonadal, etc that you ARE likely to have some inflammation due to chronic

infection, allergies, Insulin Resistance,mineral & vitamin deficiencies etc.

However, by the same token IF you have Cancer, chronic infection (whether viral,

bacterial or fungal) the WORST thing you can do is take more Iron. The body

sequesters Iron (thereby increasing Ferritin) for a reason. It is to help you

get BETTER by denying Iron which the infection/Cancer etc NEEDS to survive &

multiply.

It is dangerous to take Iron IF you cannot absorb & store it SAFELY. Free Iron

is very toxic & it is FREE Iron that causes the damage.

Free Iron itself CAUSES inflammation and any number of problems/issues depending

on where it deposits (Liver, Brain, Joints, Thyroid, Pituitary, etc).

So as with all body systems etc it is not a simple matter to assess Iron Status

& is in fact quite complex.

Lethal Lee

------------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > HI Suzzanne & Val,

> > > >

> > > > I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

> > > >

> > > > > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > > > > iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

> > > > > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > > > > ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

> > > > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

> > > > > Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

> > > >

> > > > Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict

protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC,

Inflammatory markers)

> > > >

> > > > A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low

capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.

> > > >

> > > > A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are

are FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually

25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.

> > > >

> > > > Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may

be some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However

there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP &

Homocysteine at the SAME time.

> > > >

> > > > Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron

panel is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after

test, no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food

or drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

> > > >

> > > > Were these protocols followed?

> > > >

> > > > The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring

this up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal

oil (I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months

to replentish.

> > > >

> > > > Lethal Lee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

I did suggest in my earlier post

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/44519

that in view of the fact that you DID NOT follow the correct protocols (and

therefore your Serum Iron, TIBC & Saturation cannot be relied on as VALID) that

you

1) either test again this time following correct protocols PLUS test

inflammation markers

OR

2) you drop to ONE tab Iron a day & retest (following correct protocols)

together with inflammation markers in 1-2 months time

Lethal Lee

> >>

> >>> HI Suzzanne & Val,

> >>>

> >>> I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>> total iron 101 (40-175)

> >>>> iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

> >>>> % sat. 31 (15-50)

> >>>> ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

> >>>> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

> >>>> Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

> >>>>

> >>> Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict

protocols are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC,

Inflammatory markers)

> >>>

> >>> A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low

capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.

> >>>

> >>> A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are

FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually

25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.

> >>>

> >>> Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be

some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However

there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP &

Homocysteine at the SAME time.

> >>>

> >>> Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel

is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test,

no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or

drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

> >>>

> >>> Were these protocols followed?

> >>>

> >>> The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring

this up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal

oil (I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to

replentish.

> >>>

> >>> Lethal Lee

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

I really appreciate your wisdom on this. I will retest but what should I do in the mean time....iron or no iron?

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 12:20:59 PMSubject: Re: feedback/t3 schedule / TIBC question

We can debate all day as to what is "ideal".I do want to make a couple of points about assessing Iron status...1/ If you are going to rely on Iron Panels to assess status you MUST do the correct protocols. Otherwise Serum Iron & all measurements BASED on Serum Iron results will NOT be valid. That includes TIBC, UIBC, & Iron Saturation. The correct protocols are..a) test early am fastingb) NO meds or supps until AFTER blood takenc) NO Iron supps for minimum 5 days (some sources say 7 days)d) some sources also say NO Vit C supps for minimum 5 days (some sources say 7 days) as welle) NO high Iron foods or drinks for at least 3 days (and 5 days is even better)2/ I am WELL aware that Ferritin can be high due to Iron sequestration (the body's defense response to inflammation, infection, injury). I have repeatedly said to assess IF that is the case you need to also test AT SAME

TIME....a) CBC with differentialb) ESRc) Homocysteined) CRPe) FibrinogenI am also well aware that IF you have HPA axis issues whether AI, Hypothyroid, Hypogonadal, etc that you ARE likely to have some inflammation due to chronic infection, allergies, Insulin Resistance,mineral & vitamin deficiencies etc. However, by the same token IF you have Cancer, chronic infection (whether viral, bacterial or fungal) the WORST thing you can do is take more Iron. The body sequesters Iron (thereby increasing Ferritin) for a reason. It is to help you get BETTER by denying Iron which the infection/Cancer etc NEEDS to survive & multiply.It is dangerous to take Iron IF you cannot absorb & store it SAFELY. Free Iron is very toxic & it is FREE Iron that causes the damage.Free Iron itself CAUSES inflammation and any number of problems/issues depending on where it deposits (Liver, Brain, Joints, Thyroid,

Pituitary, etc).So as with all body systems etc it is not a simple matter to assess Iron Status & is in fact quite complex. Lethal Lee----------------------------------------------------------> > > >> > > > HI Suzzanne & Val,> > > > > > > > I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.> > > > > > > > > total iron 101 (40-175)> > > > > iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range> > > > > % sat. 31 (15-50)> > > > > ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high> > > > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low> > > > > Ferritin 3/8/2010 65> > > > > > > > Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict protocols are followed &

interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC, Inflammatory markers)> > > > > > > > A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low capacity for safely absorbing any more Iron.> > > > > > > > A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are FAR TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually 25-35% so her result is bang in the middle.> > > > > > > > Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be some inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However there is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP & Homocysteine at the SAME time.> > > > > > > > Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel is useless. You need to test early am fasting, no

meds & supps until after test, no Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or drink for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).> > > > > > > > Were these protocols followed?> > > > > > > > The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring this up with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal oil (I recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to replentish.> > > > > > > > Lethal Lee> >>