Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > I recieved my T results after 4 months of 100 mg IM shots every 7 > days. The result was: > > 1022 ng/dl (range of 241-827). > > This was on the last day of my cycle so my first of cycle values must > have been double that (~ 2000 ng/dl). > > Based on the info I have gotten from this group this seems very high > for the dose - I weigh 165 pounds. > > Prior to starting IM I was 180 on a scale of 260-1000. > > I have not experienced any roller coaster effect other than I didn't > feel too good at the begining right after the shot. > > Any thoughts? - Arkansas ------------------ Arkansas, I would be very careful and deliberate with what happens with you and your dosage from here on out. I personally believe that too much T is as bad for you as too little as it often leads to fat buildup from conversion to estrogen, and does nothing more to benefit you that just the right amount. The problem is just what is the right amount, and yes everyone is different, etc, etc. One yardstick is the high and low range - you example 241-827, just as we all agree someone testing at the low end may well need TRT, the same argument in theory could be made for someone testing above the high end of the range. This may well be a case of too much of a good thing could be bad for you, or at least not beneficial. If I were you I would back off to one 100mg injection about every 9 days or so and then get tested. That's the dosage and time frame I use and I am 190 pounds, and I tested at 550 about four days after a shot, which to me is exactly right were I want to be, any more T in me results in water retention and more likelyhood of conversion to fat, and does nothing whatsoever to aid any libido or ED problems I have dealt with over the past 35 years of experimenting with different dosages. norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Thanks Norton That was basically the same thing my doctor suggested. Have you considered a smaller dose every 7 days or have you tried this? Arkansas nort828 <nort828@...> wrote: > I recieved my T results after 4 months of 100 mg IM shots every 7 > days. The result was: > > 1022 ng/dl (range of 241-827). > > This was on the last day of my cycle so my first of cycle values must > have been double that (~ 2000 ng/dl). > > Based on the info I have gotten from this group this seems very high > for the dose - I weigh 165 pounds. > > Prior to starting IM I was 180 on a scale of 260-1000. > > I have not experienced any roller coaster effect other than I didn't > feel too good at the begining right after the shot. > > Any thoughts? - Arkansas ------------------ Arkansas, I would be very careful and deliberate with what happens with you and your dosage from here on out. I personally believe that too much T is as bad for you as too little as it often leads to fat buildup from conversion to estrogen, and does nothing more to benefit you that just the right amount. The problem is just what is the right amount, and yes everyone is different, etc, etc. One yardstick is the high and low range - you example 241-827, just as we all agree someone testing at the low end may well need TRT, the same argument in theory could be made for someone testing above the high end of the range. This may well be a case of too much of a good thing could be bad for you, or at least not beneficial. If I were you I would back off to one 100mg injection about every 9 days or so and then get tested. That's the dosage and time frame I use and I am 190 pounds, and I tested at 550 about four days after a shot, which to me is exactly right were I want to be, any more T in me results in water retention and more likelyhood of conversion to fat, and does nothing whatsoever to aid any libido or ED problems I have dealt with over the past 35 years of experimenting with different dosages. norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > Thanks Norton > > That was basically the same thing my doctor suggested. Have you considered a smaller dose every 7 days or have you tried this? > > Arkansas -------------------- Yes, I have considered it and in fact have tried it, and I found no noticable difference. The reason in my opinion is because the T stays in your body the longest time from injections vs skin spreadons, many only pellets which release very slowly can the said be said. In short, I don't see any advantage in going to say every four days of maybe 50mg, that's only a quarter of a CC. And frankly, to remember it and stick yourself every four days is a pain. Try 100mg of one half of one CC every nine days for a few weeks then get a blood test on like the fourth or fifth day after an injection, I bet you will be pretty much right at the level you should be. norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 When my dose was too high I didn't feel well the couple days after the shot, but felt pretty good the day or two before. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > When my dose was too high I didn't feel well the couple days after the > shot, but felt pretty good the day or two before. > > Mark ------------ Yes Mark, too much T is just as bad as too little, and your recollection is proof, you felt better towards the end of the cycle when your level was back within a good range for you. How much are you doing and how often? best norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Norton, At the time I was doing 200mg every 10 days. Now I am doing 120mg every 7. Mark > ------------ > Yes Mark, too much T is just as bad as too little, and your > recollection is proof, you felt better towards the end of the cycle > when your level was back within a good range for you. How much are you > doing and how often? > best > norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 I'd think 140 mgs would be what I'd try. Seven days to ten day means a dose of 70 percent the size. Hence multiple ..7 by 200 which yields 140. Note: I not taken T yet. > Norton, > > At the time I was doing 200mg every 10 days. Now I am doing 120mg > every 7. > > Mark > > > ------------ > > Yes Mark, too much T is just as bad as too little, and your > > recollection is proof, you felt better towards the end of the cycle > > when your level was back within a good range for you. How much are you > > doing and how often? > > best > > norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 many kids are not perfect when they are done with their bands. some areas are harder to correct. some people opt for a 2nd or 3rd band, but that doesn't guarantee a perfect head either. you can ask if a 2nd band is an option, but it may not be (depending on the headshape it may not be possible to get a good fit if there isn't enough asymmetry). my daughter had brachy (flat in back) and that is very rarely completely corrected. However banding usually makes any remaining problem far less noticeable. -christine sydney 2 yrs starband grad > > My daughter (she's 6.5mos old now) has been in a DOC band for four > weeks now for plagio on her right side. At our last appt, on Tues, I > asked how much longer; I was told only 2 maybe 3 more adjustments at > the most could be made. Our clinician told me that her growth will end > up determining her graduation because she will outgrow the band. But, > my daughter still has some asymmetry behind her right ear--when I asked > about this, I was told that it is very hard to correct in that area and > further most babies leave treatment with mild aymmetry still. Really? > Is this true? So, she will be in her band for 3 maybe 4 more weeks at > the most and her biggest changes are finished with a good possibility > of leaving flat behind her right ear? Her clinician said you know if > she were to come in today for a consult I would tell you not to treat > and that she looks good (only noticeable to mom, dad or ortho); I would > agree but I thought her head would be perfectly round when done. I > guess I thought her band would just work and work until we took it off > and not just stop after a certain point that's hard to correct. What > do you think, does this seem right? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 It sounds like your daughter has grown a lot in the time she's been wearing her band, and especially with DocBands (which have less foam than other bands), it can limit the amount of time it can be worn. I don't think a perfectly round head is achieved all of the time, but don't lose hope. You still have 3 or 4 weeks to go, and if she has another growth spurt (even a little one) in that time, things could shift into place. Good luck! Jake-17.5m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DocBand 2/11/08) Jordan-4 > > My daughter (she's 6.5mos old now) has been in a DOC band for four > weeks now for plagio on her right side. At our last appt, on Tues, I > asked how much longer; I was told only 2 maybe 3 more adjustments at > the most could be made. Our clinician told me that her growth will end > up determining her graduation because she will outgrow the band. But, > my daughter still has some asymmetry behind her right ear--when I asked > about this, I was told that it is very hard to correct in that area and > further most babies leave treatment with mild aymmetry still. Really? > Is this true? So, she will be in her band for 3 maybe 4 more weeks at > the most and her biggest changes are finished with a good possibility > of leaving flat behind her right ear? Her clinician said you know if > she were to come in today for a consult I would tell you not to treat > and that she looks good (only noticeable to mom, dad or ortho); I would > agree but I thought her head would be perfectly round when done. I > guess I thought her band would just work and work until we took it off > and not just stop after a certain point that's hard to correct. What > do you think, does this seem right? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I am new to all of this, but when Anabel was firt evaluated the technician made sure that I was aware that she would be in the " norm " range when she graduated from the band. StarBand said that the normal range was between 0-6mm assym. With this in mind, I think that you will get very close to the " perfectly " round, but hey no one (for the most part) has a perfectly round head. I understand your point of view...I mean we are doing this for our children and want the best outcome possible. I hope I helped a bit. Take care and I am sure other more experienced parents will help you out too. Kerica > > My daughter (she's 6.5mos old now) has been in a DOC band for four > weeks now for plagio on her right side. At our last appt, on Tues, I > asked how much longer; I was told only 2 maybe 3 more adjustments at > the most could be made. Our clinician told me that her growth will end > up determining her graduation because she will outgrow the band. But, > my daughter still has some asymmetry behind her right ear--when I asked > about this, I was told that it is very hard to correct in that area and > further most babies leave treatment with mild aymmetry still. Really? > Is this true? So, she will be in her band for 3 maybe 4 more weeks at > the most and her biggest changes are finished with a good possibility > of leaving flat behind her right ear? Her clinician said you know if > she were to come in today for a consult I would tell you not to treat > and that she looks good (only noticeable to mom, dad or ortho); I would > agree but I thought her head would be perfectly round when done. I > guess I thought her band would just work and work until we took it off > and not just stop after a certain point that's hard to correct. What > do you think, does this seem right? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I just feel really bad at this point about my decision to treat her. My husband who was against banding from the start is basically saying, " I told you so " , to make matters worse. I did e-mail my orthotist, maybe I'm misunderstanding. You know I had my daughter in the bath tonight looking at her head, and I don't see much impovement at all. She wasn't so bad to start--her highest assymetry number was 9mm, not sure off hand which measurement that goes to (cranial vault?). She has grown more hair which really is helping to mask assymetry. I'm frustrated. It's a hard thing to go through, and I want to feel it was worth it. Maybe I could get them to rescan to feel better about concrete evidence of changing numbers. > > > > My daughter (she's 6.5mos old now) has been in a DOC band for four > > weeks now for plagio on her right side. At our last appt, on > Tues, I > > asked how much longer; I was told only 2 maybe 3 more adjustments > at > > the most could be made. Our clinician told me that her growth > will end > > up determining her graduation because she will outgrow the band. > But, > > my daughter still has some asymmetry behind her right ear--when I > asked > > about this, I was told that it is very hard to correct in that > area and > > further most babies leave treatment with mild aymmetry still. > Really? > > Is this true? So, she will be in her band for 3 maybe 4 more > weeks at > > the most and her biggest changes are finished with a good > possibility > > of leaving flat behind her right ear? Her clinician said you know > if > > she were to come in today for a consult I would tell you not to > treat > > and that she looks good (only noticeable to mom, dad or ortho); I > would > > agree but I thought her head would be perfectly round when done. > I > > guess I thought her band would just work and work until we took it > off > > and not just stop after a certain point that's hard to correct. > What > > do you think, does this seem right? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Our ortho (DOC) was also very clear that our son's head would be in the normal range (0-3mm) when he graduated. They also made it clear that not everyone's head is perfect and his head wouldn't be perfect but it would look a lot better (which it does). He started at 8mm and graduated with 3mm. He outgrew the band at 8 weeks. You will find (at least I did) that you can see the assymetry but depending on where she is when she graduates no one else will notice. I think the reason we notice is we scrutinize our baby's head when we find out they have plagio (is it getting better), then we scrutinize it when they get the band (checking for improvement), then we scrutinize it after the band (fear of regression). I can still sometimes see the assymetry of my son's head BUT no one else can. Good luck. Hopefully, your little one will have a big growth spurt and you will be very pleased with the results. lisa > > > > > > My daughter (she's 6.5mos old now) has been in a DOC band for > four > > > weeks now for plagio on her right side. At our last appt, on > > Tues, I > > > asked how much longer; I was told only 2 maybe 3 more adjustments > > at > > > the most could be made. Our clinician told me that her growth > > will end > > > up determining her graduation because she will outgrow the band. > > But, > > > my daughter still has some asymmetry behind her right ear-- when I > > asked > > > about this, I was told that it is very hard to correct in that > > area and > > > further most babies leave treatment with mild aymmetry still. > > Really? > > > Is this true? So, she will be in her band for 3 maybe 4 more > > weeks at > > > the most and her biggest changes are finished with a good > > possibility > > > of leaving flat behind her right ear? Her clinician said you > know > > if > > > she were to come in today for a consult I would tell you not to > > treat > > > and that she looks good (only noticeable to mom, dad or ortho); I > > would > > > agree but I thought her head would be perfectly round when done. > > I > > > guess I thought her band would just work and work until we took > it > > off > > > and not just stop after a certain point that's hard to correct. > > What > > > do you think, does this seem right? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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