Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 I had two doctors who each insisted on heavy metals test; tests showed nothing and both doctors insisted on repeating them. Repeats also showed nothing. I had high RT3 all right but four ($!$!$!$!) useless heavy metals tests later I can say with absolute certainty mine was NOT caused by heavy metals. > > > I've recently found two different holistic MDs who will work with me on reducing my RT3 using T3. But when I interviewed them, I was surprised to find they both emphasized toxic metals, especially mercury, as often the hidden and real underlying cause of high RT3--- apparently, this comes from some research Dr. has done. > > I was tested 5 years ago (DMSA urine challenge), and had no toxic metal problem then, but of course they both want a re-test, and then you have to be on their chelation protocol for who knows how long. $$$ and more $$$$ > > I am feeling very skeptical as I have never heard of anyone here needing or dealing particularly with toxic metals in regards to reducing their high RT3. But I want to stay open-minded. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, Kate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 sherry..do you mind saying which aminos? leisa Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.Sherry------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 sherry..do you mind saying which aminos? leisa Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.Sherry------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 sherry..do you mind saying which aminos? leisa Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.Sherry------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 i agree , . i had a simiiliar issue with insecticides. what did you do to get rid of the poisons? Misty Re: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 My belief is this: WHne we are hypothyroid our boies fdo not detox ANYTHING properly, thus YES toxic metals and poisons bnuild up in our systems, BUT raise T3 ot a goods levle wher eit can work a it i meant to and all btu the WORST toxins can be removed safely wiht simple antioxidants. In my 20's I had a severe insecticide poisoning wiht Dursban., The environmental doctor saidf then it would be wiht me for life, but ya knwo what? Since a year on lots of T3 my chemical sensitivites are gone. I sprayed my lawmn yesterday wiht NO nausea! This would have been impossible a year ago. I cna now walk down an isle of laundry detergnet which used ot choke me and they smell good! I think chelation is VERY dangerous and shoudl never be attempted until your thyroid and adrenals are RIGHT. THNEN if you hv e lingering symptoms, go right ahead. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 i agree , . i had a simiiliar issue with insecticides. what did you do to get rid of the poisons? Misty Re: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 My belief is this: WHne we are hypothyroid our boies fdo not detox ANYTHING properly, thus YES toxic metals and poisons bnuild up in our systems, BUT raise T3 ot a goods levle wher eit can work a it i meant to and all btu the WORST toxins can be removed safely wiht simple antioxidants. In my 20's I had a severe insecticide poisoning wiht Dursban., The environmental doctor saidf then it would be wiht me for life, but ya knwo what? Since a year on lots of T3 my chemical sensitivites are gone. I sprayed my lawmn yesterday wiht NO nausea! This would have been impossible a year ago. I cna now walk down an isle of laundry detergnet which used ot choke me and they smell good! I think chelation is VERY dangerous and shoudl never be attempted until your thyroid and adrenals are RIGHT. THNEN if you hv e lingering symptoms, go right ahead. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 i agree , . i had a simiiliar issue with insecticides. what did you do to get rid of the poisons? Misty Re: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 My belief is this: WHne we are hypothyroid our boies fdo not detox ANYTHING properly, thus YES toxic metals and poisons bnuild up in our systems, BUT raise T3 ot a goods levle wher eit can work a it i meant to and all btu the WORST toxins can be removed safely wiht simple antioxidants. In my 20's I had a severe insecticide poisoning wiht Dursban., The environmental doctor saidf then it would be wiht me for life, but ya knwo what? Since a year on lots of T3 my chemical sensitivites are gone. I sprayed my lawmn yesterday wiht NO nausea! This would have been impossible a year ago. I cna now walk down an isle of laundry detergnet which used ot choke me and they smell good! I think chelation is VERY dangerous and shoudl never be attempted until your thyroid and adrenals are RIGHT. THNEN if you hv e lingering symptoms, go right ahead. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Sure. I take cysteine, taurine and glycine. My doctor has checked my levels and then increased the first two quite a bit. So far I haven't had a test for cysteine where the level wasn't really low. Also I take glutathione in shots (because I don't make glutathione well or else am needing a HUGE amount for detoxing.) Sherry > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > To: RT3_T3 > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > Sherry > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Sure. I take cysteine, taurine and glycine. My doctor has checked my levels and then increased the first two quite a bit. So far I haven't had a test for cysteine where the level wasn't really low. Also I take glutathione in shots (because I don't make glutathione well or else am needing a HUGE amount for detoxing.) Sherry > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > To: RT3_T3 > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > Sherry > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Sure. I take cysteine, taurine and glycine. My doctor has checked my levels and then increased the first two quite a bit. So far I haven't had a test for cysteine where the level wasn't really low. Also I take glutathione in shots (because I don't make glutathione well or else am needing a HUGE amount for detoxing.) Sherry > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > To: RT3_T3 > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > Sherry > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 The only thing I have done is gotten my adnrelas well and did that by clearing out RT3 . I am on a pretty high maintanance dose of T3 however, too high fo rmany peopel but seem sto work just fine for me. I never had ANY clearance of symotoms on natural thyroid btu have probably had high RT3 since going back to them 15 yeras ago. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 OPPS I lied. I ahve also been on ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) which I started for Diabetic Neuropathy and have since decoided to stay on it at quite a high dose (1200mg a day) as I have read all the good things it can do . I do believe it is helping to chelate ou tthe poisons in a healthy way that is not stressing my body, thogh I am recently havoign HIGH coritlsl symptoms agian.. BOOOOOOO -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Thanks everyone for the great feedback. I've been going to holistic doctors for almost 30 years, and it is sad to see how they get just as stuck in their boxes now as allopathic docs. Mostly I see this with iodine therapy (EVERYONE with hypothyroid probs is deficient and needs high-dose iodine therapy) and with metal toxicity---they make you take expensive metal toxicity tests, but when they show up fairly clean, they say you just don't " excrete " well. I still prefer alternative docs, but finding a good one that's not totally profit driven and stays open minded to new info is getting harder and harder. Sherry's experience really validates what Val said about detoxifying---once she was on T3 she started excreting more of her toxins---and she has urine tests that prove it. So I guess that is something we should watch for if we have unusual side effects on T3?? Sherry--did you get any signs or symptoms (besides the tests) that you were excreting more toxins on T3? And do you know how you got such high levels of mercury and lead? Thanks, Kate > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > To: RT3_T3 > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I have to say that I agree with the fact that alternative doctors are getting as bad as allopathic ones. I know more about iodine than T3 and adrenals and the things that I have been hearing and seeing with iodine just make me think that some "alternative" doctors are jumping on a band wagon. I have seen a doctor advertising on his web site the fact that he recommends taking iodine tincture!!! Most of the other stories I have heard about are doctors recommending taking iodine in such small amounts that it will probably do more harm than good. These people are cashing in on a trend without wanting to take any risks or reading up on the subject properly. I have a feeling that the same thing is going on in other branches if medecine which overlap with thyroid issues. My step-mother who was a dental nurse and handled mercury every day, who has many of the symptoms and illnesses related to mercury and heavy metal toxicity, has been told that she does not have mercury poisoning! Besides all her health problems, her son, who she was expecting when she was a dental nurse has had two very serious auto-immune attacks on his kidneys. Yet no doctor seems to have made the link between the two. I think this is very bad even for the UK NHS. My step-brother was very ill both times. It defies belief. Particularly in a country where there is a state health system. MacG. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, 9 May, 2010 15:48:15Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 Thanks everyone for the great feedback.I've been going to holistic doctors for almost 30 years, and it is sad to see how they get just as stuck in their boxes now as allopathic docs. Mostly I see this with iodine therapy (EVERYONE with hypothyroid probs is deficient and needs high-dose iodine therapy) and with metal toxicity---they make you take expensive metal toxicity tests, but when they show up fairly clean, they say you just don't "excrete" well. I still prefer alternative docs, but finding a good one that's not totally profit driven and stays open minded to new info is getting harder and harder.Sherry's experience really validates what Val said about detoxifying- --once she was on T3 she started excreting more of her toxins---and she has urine tests that prove it.So I guess that is something we should watch for if we have unusual side effects on T3??Sherry--did you get any signs or symptoms (besides the tests) that you were excreting more toxins on T3?And do you know how you got such high levels of mercury and lead?Thanks, Kate> > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@>> > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3> > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM> > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.> > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.> > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.> > > > Sherry> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I have to say that I agree with the fact that alternative doctors are getting as bad as allopathic ones. I know more about iodine than T3 and adrenals and the things that I have been hearing and seeing with iodine just make me think that some "alternative" doctors are jumping on a band wagon. I have seen a doctor advertising on his web site the fact that he recommends taking iodine tincture!!! Most of the other stories I have heard about are doctors recommending taking iodine in such small amounts that it will probably do more harm than good. These people are cashing in on a trend without wanting to take any risks or reading up on the subject properly. I have a feeling that the same thing is going on in other branches if medecine which overlap with thyroid issues. My step-mother who was a dental nurse and handled mercury every day, who has many of the symptoms and illnesses related to mercury and heavy metal toxicity, has been told that she does not have mercury poisoning! Besides all her health problems, her son, who she was expecting when she was a dental nurse has had two very serious auto-immune attacks on his kidneys. Yet no doctor seems to have made the link between the two. I think this is very bad even for the UK NHS. My step-brother was very ill both times. It defies belief. Particularly in a country where there is a state health system. MacG. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, 9 May, 2010 15:48:15Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 Thanks everyone for the great feedback.I've been going to holistic doctors for almost 30 years, and it is sad to see how they get just as stuck in their boxes now as allopathic docs. Mostly I see this with iodine therapy (EVERYONE with hypothyroid probs is deficient and needs high-dose iodine therapy) and with metal toxicity---they make you take expensive metal toxicity tests, but when they show up fairly clean, they say you just don't "excrete" well. I still prefer alternative docs, but finding a good one that's not totally profit driven and stays open minded to new info is getting harder and harder.Sherry's experience really validates what Val said about detoxifying- --once she was on T3 she started excreting more of her toxins---and she has urine tests that prove it.So I guess that is something we should watch for if we have unusual side effects on T3??Sherry--did you get any signs or symptoms (besides the tests) that you were excreting more toxins on T3?And do you know how you got such high levels of mercury and lead?Thanks, Kate> > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@>> > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3> > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM> > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.> > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.> > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.> > > > Sherry> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Kate, I think my toxic load is probably still high enough that I am not seeing the end result (benefit) yet. I do perk up on the days that I chelate (which I am now doing). Like Val, I have had a lot of chemical sensitivity that does seem to get better when I am excreting toxins better. My toxicity load was worsened due to my living in Asia most of my adult life and being exposed to heavy pollution and toxins in food and water. It seems connected to my lyme disease as well. My doctor talks about the inflammatory cascade leading to retention of metals and increased toxicity. Which is probably where the HPA and my RT3/hypothryoid has been part of the picture. Sherry > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I was doing chelating for 10 months and it was hard on me. Initially I benefited from it, then the one drug they had me on I didn't respond too well on. I decided there must be a better way of removing toxic metals w/o hurting me. I finally came across a yahoo group that uses the protocol by Andy Cutler. He suffered from mercury poisoning and found a way to remove it w/o causing further damage to the body. I discover most people on that group suffer from adrenal/thyroid issues and other things. I know that until I get the toxic heavy metal(s) out of me I won't fully recover. I also discovered the way I was chelating was brutal and the way it was done would cause me more harm. It was moving mercury around and you don't want to do that when chelating. There is a way to do it w/o moving it around. The group is teaching me what to look for, tests, and how to chelate, and the two books by Andy Cutler to read. The group is frequent-dose-chelation. The two books they told me to get are: http://www.noamalgam.com/ and http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html That hair test book will teach me what to look for. You can review the books in Amazon. They both have great reviews. They told me to get my hair test here: An essential elements hair test from DDI (www.directlabs.com, code AUT for autism gets a discount). You want the hair test with the essential elements,the other one doesn't include them. http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html Mercury is a unique brutal beast, different form the other heavy metals. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 You see, every chelating agent (=medication or supplement which can mobilize mercury and/or other elements) has a specific half life, which means it will only stay in the body for a certain time. Once the levels drop, the mobilized mercury resettles. And what Cutler's protocol does, is that it keeps constant level of chelating agents present in the body for a very long time, which makes it possible for these chelators to actually escort mercury out of the body and not just stir it around like other treatments do. His protocol achieves this by very frequent administration of chelators. http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=3,76 & q=102 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I originally brought this up because TWO doctors have recently told me that RT3 dominance is caused by toxic metal build up, and apparently this comes from research that Dr.Jonathon has done or knows about. I googled it and only found this quote from his web site: " One more note, just to be clear: Even though elevated rT3 almost always indicates an accumulated excess of toxic metals, not everyone with excess toxic metals has an elevated rT3. Similarly, many hypothyroid individuals are hypothyroid for other reasons, and not because of toxic metals. " Link: http://www.healthiertalk.com/8-things-every-thyroid-evaluation-must-check-0684 He seems so confident in his statement that high RT3 almost ALWAYS comes from toxic metals---has anyone seen the research behind this statement? I couldn't find any. I know he is really respected, but I'd like to see some proof as this throws the whole treatment for RT3 in somewhat of confusion, and if two doctors have told me this, it is going around the alternative medical community. If it is true, then it is very enigmatic--if you try to detox first and you've got high RT3, it could be very dangerous as your body is not functioning well enough to safely detox. But if you clear the RT3 first, and you're metal-toxic, you'll just get high RT3 again unless you stay on T3 forever according to Dr. . Maybe he has a protocol for this??? At my next appointment, I'll try to see if my doctor has any substantial research or studies that actually document this. Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Hi everyone, I have high RT3, which I thought was brought on mostly by dieting and my low ferritin. However, I have 4 big mercury fillings that were put in when I was 8, and in that same year, I gained about 20 pounds, got shingles and developed exercise-induced asthma. Thus, I am thinking my high RT3 could also be from mercury. I originally wanted to start andy-cutlers protocol for chelation, but then found out I should sort out my adrenals and thyroid first. My adrenals and ferritin now seem to be ok, and I hope to start the T3 protocol this week. I hope to clear my RT3, then get my fillings out (in the right way!). I was them going to try and wean off T3 and hopefully adrenal support, and then start andy cutlers chelation (with nutritional support for my thyroid and adrenals). But I am worried that my Rt3 is just going to come back as soon as I start weaning off T3! Sorry, I should have mentioned that my thyroid seems to be working ok (i.e. producing enough T4), just that my body seems to like making RT3 out of it! I am not on any thyroid meds yet and I am 27 years old. Thus I face a dilemma - I cannot start chelation until 3 months after my amalgam removal. And chelation may take over a year to complete. Thus, it looks like I will have to stay on T3 for all that time to aid detoxification, then hopefully I will be able to wean off of it, when my mercury levels come down and my RT3 will then stay away!! I am worried though, that my thyroid is going to be a bit lazy in kicking back in fully after all that time, and I will be stuck on thyroid hormone for the rest of my life. But, from what I hear (and studies that Val says she has read), my thyroid should kick in once I wean off T3. My other alternative is to wean off T3 once my receptors have cleared, and pray that my RT3 doesn't come back in full force, and then start the chelation if, after 3 months, my RT3 is not too bad. And if it is, then I would have to go back to square 1 in clearing my RT3 receptors before starting chelation! Any ideas which one I should try??! My other dilemma is that - surely my body is making Rt3 for a reason - i.e.to protect me from the mercury, thus wouldn't it harm me to stop my body from making that Rt3? This makes me want to try chelation before I start T3!! But I was wondering if I could perhaps get my amalgams out after 6 weeks or so of starting T3? Or would I would it be best to wait until after my receptors have cleared? Any advice? Thanks so much! Hayley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Hi Nick and Sherry, Thank you so much for the replies! They were very helpful! Nick - I am really holding thumbs that clearing my RT3 helps me detox most of my mercury! That would be great - as chelation is definitely a very scary thought for me! For all I know you are right - the dieting may have been the biggie that caused my high RT3 - hopefully that's the case! But I do still think mercury has something to do with it, as I only started dieting when I was 19, but I've had weight problems ever since I was 8, and I did not eat much at all and was very active in sports. But who knows! It is just a wild guess right now! I am getting my ferritin results back tomorrow, as I have been supplementing for the last 4 months, and according to my calculations from labs done inbetween, I should be at 70 by now. I was at 15!! And my av temps have been stable between 36.8 and 36.9 for the past 6 weeks on isocort, so holding thumbs T3 supplementation goes ok! Sherry - Unfortunately, I do not have a doctor that can help me. I am in Korea, and finances are extremely tight, thus I have no choice but to go at this alone. Which is why I am so thankful for groups like this who can at least provide me with some great guidance. I couldn't do it otherwise! I think I am going to wait until my RT3 clears, then have the fillings out just for peace of mind. Then monitor things from there - I will try decreasing my dose gradually a few weeks after having my amalgams out, and then keep watching my temps and labs for any sign of RT3 building up. But I'm still interested in knowing if stopping my body from being able to produce RT3 (when I have possible high mecury levels!) could possibly harm me? As my body has no protection mechanism? Should I be worried about this? Thanks so much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3 > > > > > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I just want to say that while I DO NOT believe that mercury alone is the cause of hypo/ adrenal problems... I did become sick after having them removed. The dentist was actually angry that requested to have them removed. He argued with me that they were perfectly safe. In hind site , duh, I should have had them removed elsewhere. He didnt use any special protocal and I swallowed much of the mercury. That being said I believe that there are many other viruses and toxic chemicals that all add up to create illness. I do believe that some peoples methalation process and glutathione works better than others to remove all these toxins than othrs. On the matter of chelation...I am one those that became sicker on chelation, and I wont do it again.. I had/ have low aldosterone and the chelation removed more valuable minerals and disrupted my system worse. Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:16 AM Hi Nick and Sherry,Thank you so much for the replies! They were very helpful!Nick - I am really holding thumbs that clearing my RT3 helps me detox most of my mercury! That would be great - as chelation is definitely a very scary thought for me! For all I know you are right - the dieting may have been the biggie that caused my high RT3 - hopefully that's the case! But I do still think mercury has something to do with it, as I only started dieting when I was 19, but I've had weight problems ever since I was 8, and I did not eat much at all and was very active in sports. But who knows! It is just a wild guess right now! I am getting my ferritin results back tomorrow, as I have been supplementing for the last 4 months, and according to my calculations from labs done inbetween, I should be at 70 by now. I was at 15!! And my av temps have been stable between 36.8 and 36.9 for the past 6 weeks on isocort, so holding thumbs T3 supplementation goes ok!Sherry - Unfortunately, I do not have a doctor that can help me. I am in Korea, and finances are extremely tight, thus I have no choice but to go at this alone. Which is why I am so thankful for groups like this who can at least provide me with some great guidance. I couldn't do it otherwise!I think I am going to wait until my RT3 clears, then have the fillings out just for peace of mind. Then monitor things from there - I will try decreasing my dose gradually a few weeks after having my amalgams out, and then keep watching my temps and labs for any sign of RT3 building up.But I'm still interested in knowing if stopping my body from being able to produce RT3 (when I have possible high mecury levels!) could possibly harm me? As my body has no protection mechanism? Should I be worried about this? Thanks so much!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scdlymie <scdlymie@>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Toxic Metals and RT3> > > > > > > > To: RT3_T3 > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high levels of mercury and lead. I've known about this for some time and all attempts to get this to detox has been pretty unsuccessful.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, my most recent urine toxic metals testing shows huge amounts of these being excreted. The main change has been T3 only treatment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to the detox problems my doctor did a range of tests to look for where the methylation problem is, and there was only one area: glutathione conjugation. I've also added higher amounts of the raw materials (3 amino acids) to my supplement regimen.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So only these 2 changes are showing very encouraging results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sherry> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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