Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Val Adrenaline is produced by medulla as you probably know. These are all cortex hormones which we lack.This is another reason why I prefer these products and could be why I did not need florinef till now even though I am stage 7 for many years. I am thinking it might contain some aldosterone.probably not equal to human ratio but it is better than nothing. how do I know how much cortisol I am getting? I think I trusted my naturopath when I started this therapy. He told me specific drops contained specific amount of cortisol. it was 15 drops of biomax ace being eq. to 20 mg hc at that time. Now the formulation has changed.And I am thinking this info is correct as I switched back and forth between isocort and those extracts and did not notice any change in effect.in fact I found isocort to be less effective for me probably due to my digestive system problems. these might be more expensive from hc though.. they run between 18-32 dollars per month supply depending on where you get them. how much hc monthly supply cost roughly? Wish you the best. Nil Re: Isocort Contains 28 identified Adrenal Cortical Hormones. And do you knwo which ones these are? Adrenaline is one we do NOT need. This is why I prefer Isocort. I would have to hear SEVERAL good reports from this product before I could recommend something liek this I do nto usually recommend Isocort that often as it usually is not strong enough how would oyu knwo how much cortisol you are gettign with this product? That si a VERY important question to answer. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Val Adrenaline is produced by medulla as you probably know. These are all cortex hormones which we lack.This is another reason why I prefer these products and could be why I did not need florinef till now even though I am stage 7 for many years. I am thinking it might contain some aldosterone.probably not equal to human ratio but it is better than nothing. how do I know how much cortisol I am getting? I think I trusted my naturopath when I started this therapy. He told me specific drops contained specific amount of cortisol. it was 15 drops of biomax ace being eq. to 20 mg hc at that time. Now the formulation has changed.And I am thinking this info is correct as I switched back and forth between isocort and those extracts and did not notice any change in effect.in fact I found isocort to be less effective for me probably due to my digestive system problems. these might be more expensive from hc though.. they run between 18-32 dollars per month supply depending on where you get them. how much hc monthly supply cost roughly? Wish you the best. Nil Re: Isocort Contains 28 identified Adrenal Cortical Hormones. And do you knwo which ones these are? Adrenaline is one we do NOT need. This is why I prefer Isocort. I would have to hear SEVERAL good reports from this product before I could recommend something liek this I do nto usually recommend Isocort that often as it usually is not strong enough how would oyu knwo how much cortisol you are gettign with this product? That si a VERY important question to answer. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Do you find them to be more effective than HC? I use the cream right now. Depending on the brand I spend between $15-$25. Isocort is a lot more expensive for me and less effective. Cheri Re: Isocort these might be more expensive from hc though.. they run between 18-32 dollars per month supply depending on where you get them. how much hc monthly supply cost roughly? Wish you the best. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Do you find them to be more effective than HC? I use the cream right now. Depending on the brand I spend between $15-$25. Isocort is a lot more expensive for me and less effective. Cheri Re: Isocort these might be more expensive from hc though.. they run between 18-32 dollars per month supply depending on where you get them. how much hc monthly supply cost roughly? Wish you the best. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Do you find them to be more effective than HC? I use the cream right now. Depending on the brand I spend between $15-$25. Isocort is a lot more expensive for me and less effective. Cheri Re: Isocort these might be more expensive from hc though.. they run between 18-32 dollars per month supply depending on where you get them. how much hc monthly supply cost roughly? Wish you the best. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 haven't tried hc so far. bw Nil RE: Isocort Do you find them to be more effective than HC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 haven't tried hc so far. bw Nil RE: Isocort Do you find them to be more effective than HC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 haven't tried hc so far. bw Nil RE: Isocort Do you find them to be more effective than HC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 hi val according to below site ald. is produced be cortex. http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/ol_biology2/ultranet/Adrenals.html bw Nil Re: Isocort No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 hi val according to below site ald. is produced be cortex. http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/ol_biology2/ultranet/Adrenals.html bw Nil Re: Isocort No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 hi val according to below site ald. is produced be cortex. http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/ol_biology2/ultranet/Adrenals.html bw Nil Re: Isocort No aldosterone in thise either as that is made in the medulla not the cortex. HC costs me about $15 a month. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 it may.. i don't know. if fda hadn't banned extracts i am sure more info would be on the labels and we would know more about them. bw Re: Isocort OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 it may.. i don't know. if fda hadn't banned extracts i am sure more info would be on the labels and we would know more about them. bw Re: Isocort OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 it may.. i don't know. if fda hadn't banned extracts i am sure more info would be on the labels and we would know more about them. bw Re: Isocort OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 If I may butt in here, since Isocort probably contains the whole cortex, could it be a reason for increased aldosterone? Something is causing my increases in BP, and has gotten worse since starting l dose of cream. Had never had a BP problem until I became hyperthyroid. I'm thinking since starting the cream, I may need to replace all the Isocort - feel much better on cream anyway. Thank's to all fory our opinions. Pat Re: Isocort OK You are right but I have not heard of Aldosterone in ANY of the glandulars or even suggested it might be. But as it IS made in the cortex It may also be in glandulars. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Usually when BP goes up when starting HC (before gettign to a high enough dose to reasonably cause any rise in BP) it is from unmasking the hypo symptoms. As you raise the cortiosl levels the hypo is really shown up as it uses up the thyroid that ois floating in theblod which then makes you have symptoms and feel more hypo. Hypo causes fluid retention adn high blood pressure. Mine went all the way to 245/148 when I was myxedemous. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Wow, Thank you Val. I'm sure you're right as I can tell my cortisol is raising, as my mental issues are disappearing. I guess it's a good tradeoff, but last night when BP was 218/118 was wondering what was going on and praying I wouldn't stroke or heart attack. It's encouraging to know you got such a high BP corrected. You're also right in saying hypo symptoms show up more, fingers swelling, and that would answer my question in another post " why are my temps falling as I'm on more HC " . Thank's a MillioPat Re: Isocort Usually when BP goes up when starting HC (before gettign to a high enough dose to reasonably cause any rise in BP) it is from unmasking the hypo symptoms. As you raise the cortiosl levels the hypo is really shown up as it uses up the thyroid that ois floating in theblod which then makes you have symptoms and feel more hypo. Hypo causes fluid retention adn high blood pressure. Mine went all the way to 245/148 when I was myxedemous. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1237 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 11:04 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 So, I am confused, I thought that the HC made the thyroid work better because it was able to use the stuff floating in the blood and that it was making some of my hypo symptoms better. Am I crazy? I haven't really even been paying that much attention to all of the thyroid stuff since I figure that is a smaller part of my problem. And...I chickened out on the cytomel at lunch yesterday, my temp was 98.9 and it made me think that maybe I have too much thyroid now? Ugh, I am really really confused. It is not fair that brain fog is one of the symptoms for both thyroid and AF when they are the hardest things to understand! English > > Usually when BP goes up when starting HC (before gettign to a high > enough dose to reasonably cause any rise in BP) it is from unmasking the > hypo symptoms. As you raise the cortiosl levels the hypo is really shown > up as it uses up the thyroid that ois floating in theblod which then > makes you have symptoms and feel more hypo. Hypo causes fluid retention > adn high blood pressure. Mine went all the way to 245/148 when I was > myxedemous. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 It doesn't make the gland itself work better. Your body has to have cortisol to actually use the thyroid hormone. So if you are low cortisol and your thyroid labs keep showing normal, it is possible that the thyroid is just sitting in your blood looking nice. When you start taking the HC your body can then use the thyroid in your bloodstream. If you are also hypo thyroid (your bodyisn't making enough) or aren't on enough thyroid replacement, then you will exhibit more hypothyroid symptoms because your body still isn't making enough. For instance, since taking HC, my basal temps have gone down on average. The two systems need each other to function. If you have adrenal problems, then your body can't use thyroid. On the other hand if you have thyroid issues it can stress out the adrenal glands as they try to make up for the thyroid. At least that is how I understood it. Someone plesae correct me if I'm wrong. So if you have both low adrenal and low thyroid, you must get your cortisol levels up (you tell this by having stable temps) before you start or increase your thyroid meds. When you increase your thyroid meds you do it slowly to avoid extra stress on the adrenals and thyroid dumps. When your thyroid replacement as well as your cortisol replacement is optimal then your adrenals can start healing and recovering. After a while you can then try to wean off of HC to see how recovered they are. Does that help any? Cherie Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.--C.S. > So, I am confused, I thought that the HC made the thyroid work better > because it was able to use the stuff floating in the blood and that it > was making some of my hypo symptoms better. Am I crazy? I haven't > really even been paying that much attention to all of the thyroid > stuff since I figure that is a smaller part of my problem. And...I > chickened out on the cytomel at lunch yesterday, my temp was 98.9 and > it made me think that maybe I have too much thyroid now? Ugh, I am > really really confused. It is not fair that brain fog is one of the > symptoms for both thyroid and AF when they are the hardest things to > understand! > English > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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