Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Very true. I enjoy drinking the Natural Calm. I was just offering a couple suggestions to use up the remaining horse pills. Pamela jasrich wrote: Thanks Pamela. I'm reconsidering all of my mag options again. I'm supposed to take the mag at night so maybe I'll try dissolving one in water tomorrow AM and see what state it's in by bed-time. If I'm going to drink it though, the Natural Calm seems like not a bad way to go. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Very true. I enjoy drinking the Natural Calm. I was just offering a couple suggestions to use up the remaining horse pills. Pamela jasrich wrote: Thanks Pamela. I'm reconsidering all of my mag options again. I'm supposed to take the mag at night so maybe I'll try dissolving one in water tomorrow AM and see what state it's in by bed-time. If I'm going to drink it though, the Natural Calm seems like not a bad way to go. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi I suspect that i don't absorb Magnesium well via the stomach. So, I take 1g of Magnesium Sulphate via a Nebulisor every day. I will do this for 2 months, just to get my levels up, and then go back to supplementing the normal way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi I suspect that i don't absorb Magnesium well via the stomach. So, I take 1g of Magnesium Sulphate via a Nebulisor every day. I will do this for 2 months, just to get my levels up, and then go back to supplementing the normal way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Can Selenium be measured by our blood levels too. I have severly low mag, and my hearbeat does funny things too. Im wondering about my selenium and zinc. I recently read that a deficiency in all these minerals can HURT the t3 to t4 conversion process...no wonder for all the reverse t3 I have. THanks KAtie > > Delores...... > Took me a bit to figure out too. Funny, I also suspected the selenium > from too many supplement sources. Did you see this great article on > the cal/mag ratio? > > http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm > > It's scary to realize your heart of so relaxed from the mag that it > can't contract to make a beat very well and gets sloppy. Then > adrenaline shoots in with me in alarm mode. I've been having weird > erratic hear stuff that I thought was hypo and then too much selenium, > so I increased my mag....... > > -AG > > > > > I agree. I was taking lots of magnesium citrate a couple of years > > ago and > > had the toxic metals test done by Metametrics. Everything was VERY low > > except I had toxic levels of magnesium and selenium. I, too, was > > having > > erratic heart beats but did not realize why. I was taking more than > > one > > supplement with selenium so I figured that out. > > Now I never take over 400 mg magnesium. > > > > Delores > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Can Selenium be measured by our blood levels too. I have severly low mag, and my hearbeat does funny things too. Im wondering about my selenium and zinc. I recently read that a deficiency in all these minerals can HURT the t3 to t4 conversion process...no wonder for all the reverse t3 I have. THanks KAtie > > Delores...... > Took me a bit to figure out too. Funny, I also suspected the selenium > from too many supplement sources. Did you see this great article on > the cal/mag ratio? > > http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm > > It's scary to realize your heart of so relaxed from the mag that it > can't contract to make a beat very well and gets sloppy. Then > adrenaline shoots in with me in alarm mode. I've been having weird > erratic hear stuff that I thought was hypo and then too much selenium, > so I increased my mag....... > > -AG > > > > > I agree. I was taking lots of magnesium citrate a couple of years > > ago and > > had the toxic metals test done by Metametrics. Everything was VERY low > > except I had toxic levels of magnesium and selenium. I, too, was > > having > > erratic heart beats but did not realize why. I was taking more than > > one > > supplement with selenium so I figured that out. > > Now I never take over 400 mg magnesium. > > > > Delores > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 All I know is that to a certain point, not even to bowel tolerance cause I can't get there, my heart rhythm gets thrown askew by excess magnesium/too little calcium. I know magnesium helps with some forms of arrhythmia, esp. hyper type arrhythmia, but for some of us hypos it seems we need to be mindful of our own cal/mag ratio. I do well on the 2:1 cal/mag. When I go heavy on the mag I can't sleep at night for all the erratic heart action. Salt doesn't touch it, potassium doesn't do it, calcium stops it. In the link I posted the author goes into detail on the muscular effects of cal and mag. Takes cal to make a strong beat, takes mag to relax the beat. I can tell you for sure that with too much mag, while it has NOT effected my bowels at this point, my heart can't get the beat out and it falls back into weak half pumps. Then it gets a kick, presumably adrenaline, and a beat is made. My experiment of adding calcium ends this pronto. The beauty of it is that it is easy to experiment and see for yourself. http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm -AG > it is always advised to take mg up to bowel tolerance. but what > about ca? do you also increase your ca as you increase mg..i did > take mg for long term in big amounts without increasing my ca dosage > and i am not sure at this moment if it was right thing to do. > bw > Nil Cum Laude - with praise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 All I know is that to a certain point, not even to bowel tolerance cause I can't get there, my heart rhythm gets thrown askew by excess magnesium/too little calcium. I know magnesium helps with some forms of arrhythmia, esp. hyper type arrhythmia, but for some of us hypos it seems we need to be mindful of our own cal/mag ratio. I do well on the 2:1 cal/mag. When I go heavy on the mag I can't sleep at night for all the erratic heart action. Salt doesn't touch it, potassium doesn't do it, calcium stops it. In the link I posted the author goes into detail on the muscular effects of cal and mag. Takes cal to make a strong beat, takes mag to relax the beat. I can tell you for sure that with too much mag, while it has NOT effected my bowels at this point, my heart can't get the beat out and it falls back into weak half pumps. Then it gets a kick, presumably adrenaline, and a beat is made. My experiment of adding calcium ends this pronto. The beauty of it is that it is easy to experiment and see for yourself. http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm -AG > it is always advised to take mg up to bowel tolerance. but what > about ca? do you also increase your ca as you increase mg..i did > take mg for long term in big amounts without increasing my ca dosage > and i am not sure at this moment if it was right thing to do. > bw > Nil Cum Laude - with praise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 All I know is that to a certain point, not even to bowel tolerance cause I can't get there, my heart rhythm gets thrown askew by excess magnesium/too little calcium. I know magnesium helps with some forms of arrhythmia, esp. hyper type arrhythmia, but for some of us hypos it seems we need to be mindful of our own cal/mag ratio. I do well on the 2:1 cal/mag. When I go heavy on the mag I can't sleep at night for all the erratic heart action. Salt doesn't touch it, potassium doesn't do it, calcium stops it. In the link I posted the author goes into detail on the muscular effects of cal and mag. Takes cal to make a strong beat, takes mag to relax the beat. I can tell you for sure that with too much mag, while it has NOT effected my bowels at this point, my heart can't get the beat out and it falls back into weak half pumps. Then it gets a kick, presumably adrenaline, and a beat is made. My experiment of adding calcium ends this pronto. The beauty of it is that it is easy to experiment and see for yourself. http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm -AG > it is always advised to take mg up to bowel tolerance. but what > about ca? do you also increase your ca as you increase mg..i did > take mg for long term in big amounts without increasing my ca dosage > and i am not sure at this moment if it was right thing to do. > bw > Nil Cum Laude - with praise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I'm using a product called " Med T3 caps " which I first read about in Dr. Shames book " Feeling Fat, Fuzzy or Frazzled " It is specifically formulated to help T4 to T3 conversion and it's made by XYMOGEN. Good nutraceutical. Re: What's enough mag? Can Selenium be measured by our blood levels too. I have severly low mag, and my hearbeat does funny things too. Im wondering about my selenium and zinc. I recently read that a deficiency in all these minerals can HURT the t3 to t4 conversion process...no wonder for all the reverse t3 I have. THanks KAtie > > Delores...... > Took me a bit to figure out too. Funny, I also suspected the selenium > from too many supplement sources. Did you see this great article on > the cal/mag ratio? > > http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm > > It's scary to realize your heart of so relaxed from the mag that it > can't contract to make a beat very well and gets sloppy. Then > adrenaline shoots in with me in alarm mode. I've been having weird > erratic hear stuff that I thought was hypo and then too much selenium, > so I increased my mag....... > > -AG > > > > > I agree. I was taking lots of magnesium citrate a couple of years > > ago and > > had the toxic metals test done by Metametrics. Everything was VERY low > > except I had toxic levels of magnesium and selenium. I, too, was > > having > > erratic heart beats but did not realize why. I was taking more than > > one > > supplement with selenium so I figured that out. > > Now I never take over 400 mg magnesium. > > > > Delores > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Thanks very much for this information. What brand of calcium do you find the easiest to absorb? Pamela Atlanta Girl wrote: All I know is that to a certain point, not even to bowel tolerance cause I can't get there, my heart rhythm gets thrown askew by excess magnesium/too little calcium. I know magnesium helps with some forms of arrhythmia, esp. hyper type arrhythmia, but for some of us hypos it seems we need to be mindful of our own cal/mag ratio. I do well on the 2:1 cal/mag. When I go heavy on the mag I can't sleep at night for all the erratic heart action. Salt doesn't touch it, potassium doesn't do it, calcium stops it. In the link I posted the author goes into detail on the muscular effects of cal and mag. Takes cal to make a strong beat, takes mag to relax the beat. I can tell you for sure that with too much mag, while it has NOT effected my bowels at this point, my heart can't get the beat out and it falls back into weak half pumps. Then it gets a kick, presumably adrenaline, and a beat is made. My experiment of adding calcium ends this pronto. The beauty of it is that it is easy to experiment and see for yourself. http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm -AG --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 But what if you need to supplement both? I know I need to supplement calcium and I already take that. I was thinking about adding in a mag supplement. How do youdo that if you are also taking calcium? Cherie Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.--C.S. > > MOST people with hypothyoridism are low in magnesium. to correct that > oyu need ot take JUST magnesium. Taking calcium and magnesium does nto > work,. If you are in doubt about how much you are taking order a lab to > see where lyour levels of calcium and magnesium are. Guessing is > juts that. > https://orders.directlabs.com/dl-locator/order_tests.aspx > > Magnesium $39 and Calcium spot urine $39 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 But what if you need to supplement both? I know I need to supplement calcium and I already take that. I was thinking about adding in a mag supplement. How do youdo that if you are also taking calcium? Cherie Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.--C.S. > > MOST people with hypothyoridism are low in magnesium. to correct that > oyu need ot take JUST magnesium. Taking calcium and magnesium does nto > work,. If you are in doubt about how much you are taking order a lab to > see where lyour levels of calcium and magnesium are. Guessing is > juts that. > https://orders.directlabs.com/dl-locator/order_tests.aspx > > Magnesium $39 and Calcium spot urine $39 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 But what if you need to supplement both? I know I need to supplement calcium and I already take that. I was thinking about adding in a mag supplement. How do youdo that if you are also taking calcium? Cherie Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.--C.S. > > MOST people with hypothyoridism are low in magnesium. to correct that > oyu need ot take JUST magnesium. Taking calcium and magnesium does nto > work,. If you are in doubt about how much you are taking order a lab to > see where lyour levels of calcium and magnesium are. Guessing is > juts that. > https://orders.directlabs.com/dl-locator/order_tests.aspx > > Magnesium $39 and Calcium spot urine $39 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I took it last night and didn't sleep well at all. I don't know what arrhythmia feels like or if it's subtle enough for me not to notice, but maybe that's why I didn't sleep. I guess that I can experiment by not taking it tnite. > > All I know is that to a certain point, not even to bowel tolerance > cause I can't get there, my heart rhythm gets thrown askew by excess > magnesium/too little calcium. I know magnesium helps with some forms > of arrhythmia, esp. hyper type arrhythmia, but for some of us hypos it > seems we need to be mindful of our own cal/mag ratio. I do well on > the 2:1 cal/mag. When I go heavy on the mag I can't sleep at night > for all the erratic heart action. Salt doesn't touch it, potassium > doesn't do it, calcium stops it. In the link I posted the author goes > into detail on the muscular effects of cal and mag. Takes cal to make > a strong beat, takes mag to relax the beat. I can tell you for sure > that with too much mag, while it has NOT effected my bowels at this > point, my heart can't get the beat out and it falls back into weak > half pumps. Then it gets a kick, presumably adrenaline, and a beat is > made. My experiment of adding calcium ends this pronto. > The beauty of it is that it is easy to experiment and see for yourself. > > http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm > > -AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Oh I was just wondering how it was going. you said the last time you saw him he seemed ditracted..you had a follow up with him and was wondering if you had that with him. Which doc do you think you will have better luck with Woodhouse or the new guy. I had seen Woodhouse a couple of times but was at a stand still in getting better.. so like you, since he didnt take phone calls I cant wait 3month between appointments for questions. -------------- Original message -------------- Yes, that's me. I like Dr. Woodhouse, and especially his wife Joannne. My biggest issue with him is that he will not do telephone consultation which means that I have to fly up there from SC where I live to see him (I stay with my family in Toledo). I just saw another Top Doc in GA last week who I can drive to see, and he does telephone consultations so I might end up switching. > > Hi , > I was just wondering if you are the that went to dr woodhouse in MI. > -MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 To all those who have GI issues with magnesium, I was wondering if any have tried the magnesium oil. Can get it on Amazon ads many other places you Google. I take the magnesium Calm like some of you, but have to be careful at times, so may go to the oil llater - more stuff to rub in sigh . PatSubject: Re: Re: What's enough mag? , At night, I take the mag/glycinate tablets and put them in a liter of water. By the next day, after a few shakes, the tablets are dissolved and drink the water. I also chew a tablet up and swallow with kefir at times. Of course, I use a different brand than you do. I use the Kal brand of mag/glycinate. But, theses two methods might work for your brand also. Pamela jasrich wrote: I got the mag/glycinate after the discussion here about the most absorbable and well tolerated although someone else noted that mag/taurinate would be another one after I ordered it. I've heard about the Natural Calm. If people here vouch for it as a good, absorbable form I'll gladly take it that way. I can barely swallow these tabs. Does anyone with a good gut want to buy about 177 tabs --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 For a few years now I've been satisfied with the Blue Bonnet Liquid Calcium Magnesium. Both are citrate form. I'm guessing that I absorb it fairly well even with weak digestion as my ION panel from Metametrics showed good levels of both cal and mag. -AG > Thanks very much for this information. What brand of calcium do you > find the easiest to absorb? > > Pamela http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 It went fine. The second visit was better than the first b/c I had the last appt before lunch and he took the whole time with me, and he didn't have his shpeil to get through so we worked through my questions but I had a printed out agenda for him and for me and I had to keep steering him back to it. If you've seen him, you know what I mean - he's like the absent-minded professor which I think is what he was before or while he has been practicing medicine. I still like him, and Joanne, but I don't like the rest of his staff nearly as much and the refusal to consult via phone is a killer for me traveling so far even if it does give me an excuse to visit with family. I might keep the next appt while I keep seeing this new guy in GA that I saw last week who I liked and who will do telephone consults. He is a little into products though and I don't want to go too far down that road either. Who are you seeing now or are you going it alone? > > Oh I was just wondering how it was going. you said the last time you saw him he seemed ditracted..you had a follow up with him and was wondering if you had that with him. Which doc do you think you will have better luck with Woodhouse or the new guy. I had seen Woodhouse a couple of times but was at a stand still in getting better.. so like you, since he didnt take phone calls I cant wait 3month between appointments for questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 It went fine. The second visit was better than the first b/c I had the last appt before lunch and he took the whole time with me, and he didn't have his shpeil to get through so we worked through my questions but I had a printed out agenda for him and for me and I had to keep steering him back to it. If you've seen him, you know what I mean - he's like the absent-minded professor which I think is what he was before or while he has been practicing medicine. I still like him, and Joanne, but I don't like the rest of his staff nearly as much and the refusal to consult via phone is a killer for me traveling so far even if it does give me an excuse to visit with family. I might keep the next appt while I keep seeing this new guy in GA that I saw last week who I liked and who will do telephone consults. He is a little into products though and I don't want to go too far down that road either. Who are you seeing now or are you going it alone? > > Oh I was just wondering how it was going. you said the last time you saw him he seemed ditracted..you had a follow up with him and was wondering if you had that with him. Which doc do you think you will have better luck with Woodhouse or the new guy. I had seen Woodhouse a couple of times but was at a stand still in getting better.. so like you, since he didnt take phone calls I cant wait 3month between appointments for questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Cherie wrote: > But what if you need to supplement both? I know I need to supplement calcium > and I already take that. I was thinking about adding in a mag supplement. > How do youdo that if you are also taking calcium? > Though mag is usualy recommended to be taken at bedtime, Dr. A. Stoff, M.D. in the book " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: The Hidden Epidemic " has some interesting ideas about calcium and magnesium and when to take them: " Owing to EBV-associated liver problems, patients ha ve a very sensitive digestive system. They are disturbed when bile productin increases (after midnight) and tend to wake up near 3 a.m........About an hour before going to bed--hopefully this will be around 8:00 p.m.--take 1,000 milligrams of calcium. (calcium lactate is a particularly gentle and easily abosrbed form.). The calcium does two things. First it actually tends to inhibit reproduction of the Epstein -Barr virus. Second it facilitates the balance of neurotransmitters, makiin sleep easier. We recommend supplementing your diet with a 400 milligram dose of amino-chelated magnesium (magnesium orotate " , best taken first thing in the morning. The magnesium willkeep the calcium in balance, help prevent the formation of kidney stones, stimulate the gallbladder to release bile, and crank up your digestive system for the new day (this also has a detoxifying effect on the liver). " p. 48 This is an older book, supposedly the idea of EBV as a cause of chronic fatigue has been disproven, but I like the book and it has a lot of info I found valuable for myself. And I'm not so sure the connection between EBV and CFS is wrong. The book has been out of print for some time, but the 1990 edition of the book can be purchases used at Amazon sol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 DO you HAVE to take calcium with magnesium supplements. My doc has ordered me to take milk of mag start of slowly and lightly. Anyone heard of this as a supplement for mag? He said its most absorbant. Thanks KAtie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 > > I'm using a product called " Med T3 caps " which I first read about in Dr. Shames book " Feeling Fat, Fuzzy or Frazzled " It is specifically formulated to help T4 to T3 conversion and it's made by XYMOGEN. Good nutraceutical. > > > Whats in them? Do you have a link to buy them? Well...then again, I was told to deal with liquid and powder supplements because of my crappy digestive tract from smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 > > I'm using a product called " Med T3 caps " which I first read about in Dr. Shames book " Feeling Fat, Fuzzy or Frazzled " It is specifically formulated to help T4 to T3 conversion and it's made by XYMOGEN. Good nutraceutical. > > > Whats in them? Do you have a link to buy them? Well...then again, I was told to deal with liquid and powder supplements because of my crappy digestive tract from smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 nil, not far from seven with bottomed out dhea and cortisol. -ag > Hi AG > > May i ask you what your stage is? > thanks a lot. > > nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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