RE: Val Harley - Can you please help me out with my Adrenal Fatigue?

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January 25, 2008

Okay, then I had it right the first time. Cheri

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Yes, i AM a man lol.

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January 25, 2008

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> >>Lastly, do you think its okay for me to use Propecia, for

hairloss?

> I take this on and off and i dont know if its effecting my thyroid

> or adrenals, it reduces DHT.<<

>

> I just did a quick search and could not find that it affects

thyroid or cortios levels so I would just lok up any side effects

listed adn see if oyu are having any.

Okay Val, Thank you VERY much for helping me out, i really

appreciate it.

I ordered some Isocort and Ashwaganda, and will report back in

around 1 month when i get my Thyroid retested, and to report how i

feel,ect.

I guess i should order another Adrenal Stress Profile saliva kit

test, so when needed i can retest the adrenals aswell.

Thanks again Val!

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January 26, 2008

I usually suggest starting with Armour first as usually it is not just

T3 that is low and oyu MUST have the adrena;s supported properly to

staryt ANY thyroid.

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January 26, 2008

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> I usually suggest starting with Armour first as usually it is not

just

> T3 that is low and oyu MUST have the adrena;s supported properly to

> staryt ANY thyroid.

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Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i want

to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and bodybuilding people

use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals are

probabbly fine, as mine are not.

My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is concerned

T3 is all that matters correct?

If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?

Im not going to do anything without your advice and confirmation

first, but regardless i think i would want my T3 levels a bit higher.

Thanks Val!

January 26, 2008

>

> I usually suggest starting with Armour first as usually it is not

just

> T3 that is low and oyu MUST have the adrena;s supported properly to

> staryt ANY thyroid.

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i want

to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and bodybuilding people

use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals are

probabbly fine, as mine are not.

My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is concerned

T3 is all that matters correct?

If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?

Im not going to do anything without your advice and confirmation

first, but regardless i think i would want my T3 levels a bit higher.

Thanks Val!

January 26, 2008

>

> I usually suggest starting with Armour first as usually it is not

just

> T3 that is low and oyu MUST have the adrena;s supported properly to

> staryt ANY thyroid.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i want

to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and bodybuilding people

use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals are

probabbly fine, as mine are not.

My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is concerned

T3 is all that matters correct?

If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?

Im not going to do anything without your advice and confirmation

first, but regardless i think i would want my T3 levels a bit higher.

Thanks Val!

January 27, 2008

> >

> > I usually suggest starting with Armour first as usually it is

not

> just

> > T3 that is low and oyu MUST have the adrena;s supported properly

to

> > staryt ANY thyroid.

> >

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

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> Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i

want

> to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and bodybuilding

people

> use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals are

> probabbly fine, as mine are not.

>

> My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is

concerned

> T3 is all that matters correct?

>

> If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?

>

> Im not going to do anything without your advice and confirmation

> first, but regardless i think i would want my T3 levels a bit

higher.

>

> Thanks Val!

>

Hi Val, i just wanted to bump my last question incase you didnt see

it.

I woke up today with such an ugly puffy/bloated face im getting sick

of this already.

I really cant stand it i dont even look like myself anymore.

I have had this ugly puffy/bloated face since this whole thing

started in May/07, so thats like 9 months, so i hope i dont have

permanent damage.

Do you know why my face is puffy and bloated, especially the

absolute worst in the morning?

I really need to get rid of this asap.

Thanks for your help.

January 27, 2008

I am not Val but your puffy face esp. in morning is edema caused by your

hypothyroid. No permanent damage. I have had that for over 30 years! It has

only subsided this past month when I got my HC up high enough and during my

period comes back again.

If you are a woman make-up can disguise some of it. Not sure what to do if

you are a man, lol. Makeup helped me a lot over the years. In me, my nose

gets bigger too.

Cheri

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I woke up today with such an ugly puffy/bloated face im getting sick

of this already.

I really cant stand it i dont even look like myself anymore.

I have had this ugly puffy/bloated face since this whole thing

started in May/07, so thats like 9 months, so i hope i dont have

permanent damage.

Do you know why my face is puffy and bloated, especially the

absolute worst in the morning?

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January 27, 2008

>>Thanks Val, so how would i go about supporting my adrenals if i

want to boost my T3 levels up a bit? I know fitness and bodybuilding

people use T3 Cytomel for a boost in fatloss, but there adrenals are probabbly

fine, as mine are not.

My T4 levels seem to be fine right? And as far as fatloss is concerned T3 is

all that matters correct?

If i supplemented with T3 would that make my T4 levels drop?<<

Which adrenal support you would bneed depoends on how bad your adrenals are can

you post saliv labs? Taking T3 does NOT lower T4. Too high a T4 level usually

indicates a conversion problem if it is accompanied by low T3. In that case you

should check RT3 and also look for high cortiosl.

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January 31, 2008

> >

> > I would not add T3 untikl the adrenals are in MUCH better shape

> and then

> > only if labs or temps being too low warrant it. Once on the

> adrenal

> > suppor you should graph your temps following the method

described

> at

> > www.drrind.com and if your daily average is below 98.6 THEN yes

it

> woul

> > be fine ot add in T3. I would not start at 25mcg though with any

> adrenal

> > weakness oyu will need to start lower say 12.5mcg and split that

> into 2

> > doses AM and noon thne in a week or so if temps remain stable,

you

> coul

> > dincrease by 12.5mcg eqch week till temps are normal. If your

> temps do

> > not show hypo I would NOT add T3 just to lose weight as you risk

> > depleting the adrenlas even worse.

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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> Hi Val, okay will do, i will follow your advice.

>

> Im going to check out that website so i can track my temps, and

i'll

> keep you updated on my situation.

>

> I cant thank you enough for your help, i really appreciate it.

>

> Thanks!

> >

Hey Val, i forgot to mention something about my saliva tests, i

didnt want to make my post too long and confusing, because ive done

this in the past and never got any good help.

I forgot to mention that when i took the Adrenal Saliva Test, that i

was on Propecia, Letrozole ( to lower Estrogen a bit ), and Cytomel

25-50mcg daily.

I was so sick of feeling like crap, tired, depressed, weight gain,

and a puffy/bloated face, and i was getting no help from anybody

after trying for 8 months, that i self medicated. Its really sad

that i had to resort to this. This was before i found your help.

I dont think Propecia and Letrozole would have any effect on DHEA-S

and Cortisol levels, though i dont know. I dont know if lowering

Estrogen alters Cortisol and DHEA-S levels.

What about the T3? Would that effect my test results or Cortisol

levels?

On these drugs, for the first 3 days i was peeing a lot, and i had a

lot of energy, and by the third day my face was back to normal and

it lost all the water my cheeks were holding, but on the fourth day

it came back just a bit a bit.

I felt wired on this, probabbly because of the T3, and i had a lot

of brain fog even though my energy was up. I felt like i was high or

something and disconnected from the world. it felt like i drank 20

cups of coffee, but i didnt get jittery like a stimulant really,

just felt really foggy.

So i slowly weaned myself off the T3 for 2 weeks, and ive been on NO

drugs at all for the past 2 weeks.

Finally i was recommended to you, so now im going to follow your

advice only, and wont self medicate.

Just wanted to know if the T3,ect, would effect my DHEA-S and

Cortisol,ect, and what to make of my tests.

Thanks.

January 31, 2008

OK I have slept since then, can you repost your cortiosl results? I do

nto believe any of those woudl affect the cortisol but the effects you

felt were most certainly from the T3. Including the fluid leaving as T3

when you first start on it can work as a diuretic. It si correcting the

fluid retention from being hypo so you will lose quite a bit of fluid at

first and this in itself can cause brain fog. Anyway, post your ocrtisol

labs for me again.

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January 31, 2008

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> OK I have slept since then, can you repost your cortiosl results?

I do

> nto believe any of those woudl affect the cortisol but the effects

you

> felt were most certainly from the T3. Including the fluid leaving

as T3

> when you first start on it can work as a diuretic. It si

correcting the

> fluid retention from being hypo so you will lose quite a bit of

fluid at

> first and this in itself can cause brain fog. Anyway, post your

ocrtisol

> labs for me again.

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Hi Val, here they are. Thanks.

01/14/2008 ( ZRT Labs USA )

DHEAS (saliva) 4.6L ng/ml 7-23 (Age 16 - 30)

Cortisol Morning (saliva) 2.6L ng/ml 3.7-9.5

Cortisol Noon (saliva) 3.4H ng/ml 1.2-3.0

Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

Cortisol Night (saliva) 0.7 ng/ml 0.4-1.0

January 31, 2008

I still think you will need at the very least Isocort, but possibly HC.

Your high estrogen shoudl come down on it's own whrn you get enough

cortisl in your body to function right. DHEA at 25-50mg a day would also

be a good idea as you are young and need the extra for good function and

your is quite low.

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January 31, 2008

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> Adrena;s are pokey to heal. 10 months to 2 years! Sorry no better

news!

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Wow,that really sucks!

How long does it take to get adrenal fatigue as per my labs? I dont

know what stage im in, but thats riduculous that i can mess up my

adrenals within a couple months, and then it takes 10 months - 2

years to heal!

January 31, 2008

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> Adrena;s are pokey to heal. 10 months to 2 years! Sorry no better

news!

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Wow,that really sucks!

How long does it take to get adrenal fatigue as per my labs? I dont

know what stage im in, but thats riduculous that i can mess up my

adrenals within a couple months, and then it takes 10 months - 2

years to heal!

January 31, 2008

>

> Adrena;s are pokey to heal. 10 months to 2 years! Sorry no better

news!

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